GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Was going to rep you, but it is gone. I was thinking the same 3 and has those two just on the outside as well.
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Was going to rep you, but it is gone. I was thinking the same 3 and has those two just on the outside as well.
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We do tend to look at shyt in similar ways.
I almost put Hatton in Winky's spot since he was the bigger A side in his career, but wins over Shane and past it Tito are better than the Tyszu win imo. Plus Wright was competitive all the way up to Hopkins at 170. Hatton was only a beast at 140 and just above average at 147.
Morales was the only guy I look at as an ATG out of that five.
David_TheMan
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Easy top 3 for me
Wilfredo Vasquez
Micheal Moorer
Eric Morales
Winky Wright
Dariusz MIchalczewski
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GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Dan Rafael chat wrap 10/6:
- Spence will defend in December/January. Still hearing Lamont Peterson as the most likely opponent.
- Miller vs. Wach? It is a decent fight, but if Miller is as good as we think he is he will win handily.
- No chance of Cotto vs. GGG in December.
- Definitely a chance Wilder vs. Joshua could happen in 2018. It wouldn't be their first fight, but likely second fight in 2018.
- PBC will still be alive in 2018, but likely not thriving.
- Does Stiverne have a chance in the rematch? Wilder has gotten better and Stiverne has gotten older.
- Eubank vs. Yildirim? Eubank on points.
- Main Events says that Kovalev still does not have a trainer. In camp he is currently doing the fitness portion, not the boxing portion.
- Ranks Lomachenko ahead of Crawford in his PFP rankings because he thinks he is a better fighter.
- Garcia and Linares haven't started negotiating yet. Just because the WBC ordered the fight, doesn't mean Linares who is the WBA champ will jump at their requests.
- Linares vs. Garcia? Skeptical it will happen, but would pick Garcia.
- Part of the WBC's ruling to not sanction Wilder vs. Ortiz was Ortiz's blood pressure issues.
- Danny Garcia vs. Terrence Crawford? Not a bad fight, but not one that needs to take place immediately.
- Postol vs. Prograis? Prograis.
- Per Lou DiBella they are looking for a new opponent for Breazeale. Per Breazeale's team he will not be fighting Whyte this year.
- Will Benn, Eubank, or Paez match their fathers accomplishments? Don't think any of them will.
- First fighter who he can think of who eclipsed his father's elite accomplishments (no Floyd Sr.) would be Cory Spinks.
- Kirkland was offered an October main event on ESPN and his team couldn't find him to sign a contract. He would not respond to calls or texts.
- The place where the LV shooting took place was the same place the Mayweather-McGregor media center was located.
- Granados vs. Porter? Granados can hang with anyone, but hanging and winning are different.
- The WBC screwed up by not making Stiverne fight an eliminator for the mandatory position.
- Stevenson vs. Alvarez? Stevenson by KO.
- Would love to see Stevenson fight Jack after Alvarez.
- Not sure if a Pacquiao vs. Horn rematch will be made. Arum told him he wasn't sure Manny would fight again.
- Crawford's first opponent at 147? Could see it being Horn.
- Thoughts on Floyd vs. Conor? If you can make around $250 million for the easiest fight of your life, why not take it.
- Kell Brook will never be the same fighter after fighting GGG.
- Showtime did not want to show Wilder vs. Stiverne, but because of the circumstances they will buy it. Stiverne was not paid his step aside fee yet, so he will fight Wilder for a regular purse, which will likely be less than what Ortiz was getting.
- Fights he most wants to see get made? Wilder-Joshua and Crawford-Spence.
- Is Valdez chinny? Guys get knocked down, it is boxing.
- Believes the semis and finals of the CW WBSS will find a broader US TV network to show the fights.
- Biggest busts he has seen in boxing? Audley Harrison for sure. Francisco Bojado. Anthony Thompson is another. Ricardo Williams monstrous bust. Muhammad Abdullaev another. Verdejo edging on bust status. David Price.
- No Andy Lee news.
- Julian Jackson HOF'er? Borderline. Likely won't get in this year because of a deep ballot.
- It is a disgrace that Diego Corrales has never been on the ballot.
- Strongly believes Joshua will end up at HBO when his Showtime obligations are up.
- Wlad vs. Joe Frazier? Wlad by early KO.
- GB has two prospects that really interest him: Ryan Garcia and Vergil Ortiz.
- Crolla vs. Burns? Toss up, but going Burns by decision.
- Parker has been pretty poor recently. Believes we know fully about Parker and Whyte. They are good, but not elite. Miller and Kownacki are untested. Miller has more upside.
- Three fights he is most excited about? Charlo-Lubin, Joshua-Pulev, and Loma-Rigo.
- Buy or Sell: Thurman vs. Spence in 2018? Sell. Doesn't have a lot of faith this will get made.
- Thoughts on Victor Conte's comments regarding Ortiz's test? Does not care what Conte says.
- Should boxing have 5 judges? No. Just asking for more controversy.
- Spence will defend in December/January. Still hearing Lamont Peterson as the most likely opponent.
- Miller vs. Wach? It is a decent fight, but if Miller is as good as we think he is he will win handily.
- No chance of Cotto vs. GGG in December.
- Definitely a chance Wilder vs. Joshua could happen in 2018. It wouldn't be their first fight, but likely second fight in 2018.
- PBC will still be alive in 2018, but likely not thriving.
- Does Stiverne have a chance in the rematch? Wilder has gotten better and Stiverne has gotten older.
- Eubank vs. Yildirim? Eubank on points.
- Main Events says that Kovalev still does not have a trainer. In camp he is currently doing the fitness portion, not the boxing portion.
- Ranks Lomachenko ahead of Crawford in his PFP rankings because he thinks he is a better fighter.
- Garcia and Linares haven't started negotiating yet. Just because the WBC ordered the fight, doesn't mean Linares who is the WBA champ will jump at their requests.
- Linares vs. Garcia? Skeptical it will happen, but would pick Garcia.
- Part of the WBC's ruling to not sanction Wilder vs. Ortiz was Ortiz's blood pressure issues.
- Danny Garcia vs. Terrence Crawford? Not a bad fight, but not one that needs to take place immediately.
- Postol vs. Prograis? Prograis.
- Per Lou DiBella they are looking for a new opponent for Breazeale. Per Breazeale's team he will not be fighting Whyte this year.
- Will Benn, Eubank, or Paez match their fathers accomplishments? Don't think any of them will.
- First fighter who he can think of who eclipsed his father's elite accomplishments (no Floyd Sr.) would be Cory Spinks.
- Kirkland was offered an October main event on ESPN and his team couldn't find him to sign a contract. He would not respond to calls or texts.
- The place where the LV shooting took place was the same place the Mayweather-McGregor media center was located.
- Granados vs. Porter? Granados can hang with anyone, but hanging and winning are different.
- The WBC screwed up by not making Stiverne fight an eliminator for the mandatory position.
- Stevenson vs. Alvarez? Stevenson by KO.
- Would love to see Stevenson fight Jack after Alvarez.
- Not sure if a Pacquiao vs. Horn rematch will be made. Arum told him he wasn't sure Manny would fight again.
- Crawford's first opponent at 147? Could see it being Horn.
- Thoughts on Floyd vs. Conor? If you can make around $250 million for the easiest fight of your life, why not take it.
- Kell Brook will never be the same fighter after fighting GGG.
- Showtime did not want to show Wilder vs. Stiverne, but because of the circumstances they will buy it. Stiverne was not paid his step aside fee yet, so he will fight Wilder for a regular purse, which will likely be less than what Ortiz was getting.
- Fights he most wants to see get made? Wilder-Joshua and Crawford-Spence.
- Is Valdez chinny? Guys get knocked down, it is boxing.
- Believes the semis and finals of the CW WBSS will find a broader US TV network to show the fights.
- Biggest busts he has seen in boxing? Audley Harrison for sure. Francisco Bojado. Anthony Thompson is another. Ricardo Williams monstrous bust. Muhammad Abdullaev another. Verdejo edging on bust status. David Price.
- No Andy Lee news.
- Julian Jackson HOF'er? Borderline. Likely won't get in this year because of a deep ballot.
- It is a disgrace that Diego Corrales has never been on the ballot.
- Strongly believes Joshua will end up at HBO when his Showtime obligations are up.
- Wlad vs. Joe Frazier? Wlad by early KO.
- GB has two prospects that really interest him: Ryan Garcia and Vergil Ortiz.
- Crolla vs. Burns? Toss up, but going Burns by decision.
- Parker has been pretty poor recently. Believes we know fully about Parker and Whyte. They are good, but not elite. Miller and Kownacki are untested. Miller has more upside.
- Three fights he is most excited about? Charlo-Lubin, Joshua-Pulev, and Loma-Rigo.
- Buy or Sell: Thurman vs. Spence in 2018? Sell. Doesn't have a lot of faith this will get made.
- Thoughts on Victor Conte's comments regarding Ortiz's test? Does not care what Conte says.
- Should boxing have 5 judges? No. Just asking for more controversy.
David_TheMan
Banned
Kirkland done with boxing, I can believe that.
they are still trying to make ottke a thing
anywho julian jackson, erik morales, genaro hernandez
honorable mention - winky wright and vitali
David_TheMan
Banned
Surprised so little love her for Moorer to be honest, especially with some of yall putting Vitali over him.
i beg to differ..hatton was average at 147..dude struggled in all his big fights there....he eventually got bodied (literally) there to end his career
....fukk hatton 
Surprised so little love her for Moorer to be honest, especially with some of yall putting Vitali over him.
Moorer is better than Vitali in my book...i don't know if he'd beat him H2H, but he has a signature win against a prime ATG which easily trumps anything Vitali's ever done.
I'd put Chris Byrd, Buster Douglass, Jimmy Young & Jerry Quarry in over Vitali...personally
There are better & more accomplished non-heavys on that list too...
But it is the hall of FAME and he's one of the most popular & revered boxers on the ballot (Gatti like figure) so they definitely not putting no Michael Moorer in over him.
hes a grey area type fighter to me..he had a lot of average moments at heavyweight..plus he was an a$$hole lolSurprised so little love her for Moorer to be honest, especially with some of yall putting Vitali over him.
David_TheMan
Banned
Yeah he is a horrible person, but Light HW champ and HW champ needs to be recognized, he deserves the honor
That's a good example of an average moment he barely beat an ailing holyfield for the belt...even got knocked down if I remember
David_TheMan
Banned
But he beat him, same holyfield that beat the Foreman, who knocked him out. We can't put him down too much, he did his thang when he needed to.