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Holyfield: Joshua a More Complete Fighter, Has Edge Over Wilder - Boxing News

Holyfield: Joshua a More Complete Fighter, Has Edge Over Wilder

Four time heavyweight champion Evander Holyfield is crossing his ringers to see a fight between Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua - which he believes would be a natural and a real fan favorite.

At the WBC convention in the Fairmont Hotel, Baku, Evander - who was undisputed cruiserweight and heavyweight champion reasoned - that Joshua's amateur experience is greater. But that Wilder is also unbeaten, a sharp and fast puncher, and literally anything can and probably will happen.

Wilder, who won an Olympic bronze, is scheduled to defend the WBC heavyweight championship on November 4th at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn. The slated opponent is Cuba's Luis Ortiz, but he recently failed a pre-fight drug test and there has been no ruling on whether or not he can go forward with the fight. If Ortiz falls out, then a rematch is likely with mandatory challenger Bermane Stiverne.

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Joshua, who won Olympic gold in 2012, returns later this month, in a mandatory defense of the IBF, IBO, WBA world titles against Kubrat Pulev of Bulgaria. The fight takes place in Cardiff, Wales.

Holyfield did say: "I do think Joshua does have the edge, because he's the more complete fighter, but it all depends upon how they fight on the night. You are only as good as your last fight.

"Anthony was knocked down hard by Wladimir Klitschko and he was hurt. But came back and showed heart. You don't learn how to get up until you're knocked down. Until you get knocked down, you don't think you can get knocked down. The first time I was knocked down, I was seventeen years. It didn't hurt, it just embarrassed me. The thing was...getting up.”

Joshua's promoter, Eddie Hearn of Matchroom Sport, is hoping to match the two champions - provided they keep winning - in a big unification fight before the end of 2018.
 

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WBC Heavyweight Rankings:

1 .- Bermane Stiverne (Haiti/Canada)
2 .- Luis Ortiz (Cuba)
3 .- Dillian Whyte (Jamaica/GB) INTL
4 .- Andy Ruiz (Mexico)
5 .- Carlos Takam (Cameroon)
6 .- Mariusz Wach (Poland)
7 .- Dominic Breazeale (US)
8 .- Dereck Chisora (GB)
9 .- Johann Duhaupas (France)
10 .- Charles Martin (US)
11 .- Eric Molina (US)
12 .- Agit Kabayel (Germany) EBU
13 .- Lucas Browne (Australia)
14 .- Adam Kownacki (US)
15 .- Kyotaro Fujimoto (Japan) OPBF



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one of two things is going to happen

either stiverne gets penciled in for his mandatory shot and the fight with breazeale gets scrapped OR whyte based on the above rankings get his title shot...neither are very attractive fights...stiverne maybe you can sell it as stiverne being the only one to go the distance and not get officially knocked down by wilder and see if he can repeat it :manny:

Dillian Whyte is a good fight.. Wilder should take that to get his name up in the UK. Whyte turns up for a fight regardless and he aint the same Whyte that got stopped by Joshua imo
 

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Dillian Whyte is a good fight..

How?


What has Whyte done to deserve a Championship fight? Who has he beat?


Wilder should take that to get his name up in the UK.

:mjlol: this has to be a joke.


"Wilder should take that to get his name up in the UK"....if The UK doesn't know who the WBC Champion is, the undefeated Champion who's KOd 37 of his 38 opponents, then yall are casuals:manny:


Wilder doesn't need to fight that bum, because he does absolutely 0 for Wilder's resume or progress.


Yall Euros are killing me with all the :cape: for Joshua and attempting to throw all these Streets of Rage 1st level mini-bosses in Wilder's path instead of pushing for the best 2 HW's today get it on as soon as possible:scust:



Whyte turns up for a fight regardless and he aint the same Whyte that got stopped by Joshua imo


How is he not? What has he done since then?:jbhmm:

  • Beat 1 Croatian nobody who already had 9 losses & only defeated 4 opponents with a winning record, out of 35 total opponents
  • Beat another UK bum who only had 10 total fights & beat even more waste men
  • Beat another UK bum who even lost to Deric Rossy
  • A SD over "He Glassed Me" Chisora
  • Beat the corpse of Malcom Tann....same Malcom Tann who was KOd by a guy who only had 10 fights directly before facing Whyte in his 3rd fight after 10 years away from the ring



Get these UK, Eddie Hearn made-hypejobs outta here:scust::hhh:
 

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How?


What has Whyte done to deserve a Championship fight? Who has he beat?




:mjlol: this has to be a joke.


"Wilder should take that to get his name up in the UK"....if The UK doesn't know who the WBC Champion is, the undefeated Champion who's KOd 37 of his 38 opponents, then yall are casuals:manny:


Wilder doesn't need to fight that bum, because he does absolutely 0 for Wilder's resume or progress.


Yall Euros are killing me with all the :cape: for Joshua and attempting to throw all these Streets of Rage 1st level mini-bosses in Wilder's path instead of pushing for the best 2 HW's today get it on as soon as possible:scust:






How is he not? What has he done since then?:jbhmm:

  • Beat 1 Croatian nobody who already had 9 losses & only defeated 4 opponents with a winning record, out of 35 total opponents
  • Beat another UK bum who only had 10 total fights & beat even more waste men
  • Beat another UK bum who even lost to Deric Rossy
  • A SD over "He Glassed Me" Chisora
  • Beat the corpse of Malcom Tann....same Malcom Tann who was KOd by a guy who only had 10 fights directly before facing Whyte in his 3rd fight after 10 years away from the ring



Get these UK, Eddie Hearn made-hypejobs outta here:scust::hhh:

Who has Stiverne beaten that would say he is more deserving of a rematch tham a fresh match up for Wilder?

Obviously the Ortiz fight aint happening so sitting on the bench mad about it aint gonna keep you active
 

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Who has Stiverne beaten that would say he ia more deserving of a rematch tham a fresh match up for Wilder?

He's already been the mandatory....WBC said he is. If Whyte was truly better, maybe HE should've been calling out Stiverne, beat him, and took his #1 spot, right?:mjpls:



Why would Wilder pay Stiverne 675k to step aside, then pay him another step aside fee to face Whyte of all people?:dwillhuh:



Paying Stiverne over $1 mill to NOT fight? That's crazy.:snoop:



Whyte hasn't beaten Breazeale, Washington, Stiverne, Mansour, Big Baby, or Martin...........but yet has people buying into Hearn's promo skills of "Wilder should face Whyte", just for Wilder to bomb that bum out the ring and get told "bu-bu-but, Wilder aint faced nobody yet".



Whyte is worse than every HW I listed above outside of maybe Charles Martin, but people pushing for a trash matchup like that gonna be the same ones afterwards claiming Wilder should face someone better, but when it's the opportunity to push for something better, yall riding with Whyte bc Hearn keeps mentioning his name:scust:
 
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How?


What has Whyte done to deserve a Championship fight? Who has he beat?




:mjlol: this has to be a joke.


"Wilder should take that to get his name up in the UK"....if The UK doesn't know who the WBC Champion is, the undefeated Champion who's KOd 37 of his 38 opponents, then yall are casuals:manny:


Wilder doesn't need to fight that bum, because he does absolutely 0 for Wilder's resume or progress.


Yall Euros are killing me with all the :cape: for Joshua and attempting to throw all these Streets of Rage 1st level mini-bosses in Wilder's path instead of pushing for the best 2 HW's today get it on as soon as possible:scust:






How is he not? What has he done since then?:jbhmm:

  • Beat 1 Croatian nobody who already had 9 losses & only defeated 4 opponents with a winning record, out of 35 total opponents
  • Beat another UK bum who only had 10 total fights & beat even more waste men
  • Beat another UK bum who even lost to Deric Rossy
  • A SD over "He Glassed Me" Chisora
  • Beat the corpse of Malcom Tann....same Malcom Tann who was KOd by a guy who only had 10 fights directly before facing Whyte in his 3rd fight after 10 years away from the ring



Get these UK, Eddie Hearn made-hypejobs outta here:scust::hhh:

Who has Stiverne beaten? :Drinking:

:MoneyMay: , he comes to the UK hes getting paid more + more publicity. Casuals over here didnt really know who :Golovkin:was like that until he walked through one of the most popular boxers here. Reality is this, Whyte would be the best name on Wilders resume :Drinking: .

Lastly Im only on the Joshua train cause hes black, truthfully I think hes an accident waiting to happen and honestly Fury needs to come back asap.. UK showed him no respect for beating Klitschko..

Bumsquad wants to hustle BACKWARDS and fight an old man on PEDs in an arena that will NOT sell out for less money when you can fight Dillian Whyte for more money and (according to the general public) less risk and more exposure

Maybe Whyte is right ( :mjpls: ) and Wilder really is scared.. :Deavours:
 

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He's already been the mandatory....WBC said he is. If Whyte was truly better, maybe HE should've been calling out Stiverne, beat him, and took his #1 spot, right?:mjpls:



Why would Wilder pay Stiverne 675k to step aside, then pay him another step aside fee to face Whyte of all people?:dwillhuh:



Paying Stiverne over $1 mill to NOT fight? That's crazy.:snoop:



Whyte hasn't beaten Breazeale, Washington, Stiverne, Mansour, Big Baby, or Martin...........but yet has people buying into Hearn's promo skills of "Wilder should face Whyte", just for Wilder to bomb that bum out the ring and get told "bu-bu-but, Wilder aint faced nobody yet".



Whyte is worse than every HW I listed above outside of maybe Charles Martin, but people pushing for a trash matchup like that gonna be the same ones afterwards claiming Wilder should face someone better, but when it's the opportunity to push for something better, yall riding with Whyte bc Hearn keeps mentioning his name:scust:

Cause we know Stiverne aint gonna fight Whyte when he can fight Wilder.

and come on bruh, nobody who's rooting for AJ is wishing that they he don't fight Wilder ASAP, everybody wished that fight was being made but it aint happening at the moment for whatever reason that'll be given, so nikkaz moving on to what they feel would be the next best and FINANCIALLY best fight possible to make for Wilder....Whyte. fukk all the boxing politics, what's the next best fresh fight that can get Wilder the most money and most exposure?

And dont be throwing strays at Charles Martin :birdman:
 
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