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[Creflo ½ Dollar]

Another difference is more people like Lomachenko's fighting style than Rigo's as well.


Why did he do a "showcase fight"? Because Orlando Salido backed out at the last minute and none of the other 130lbers wanted to step in and face him.






He destroyed him while Valdez had to fought Marriaga off of him.....levels.




No he doesn't....Salido has already ducked the run back twice.





Floyd didn't.





Loma fighting Leo Santa Cruz would do more views & attendance than Loma vs Rigo.


LSC's numbers become people actually enjoy his fighting style....he's one of the most entertaining fighters to watch in the sport, bc he always comes to fight.

Maybe so just pay that man his money and he will be good. Salido dnt need Loma. Loma need him.

It is levels,,, Valdez isnt getting propped up as the P4P#1 by ESPN. He is a green champion who gets into brawls with evrybody he fights for better or for worse. I guess Valdez is the standard setter then.

Floyd is Floyd. There will never be a fighter to be that financially successful with his style. That's an outlier.

The only reason LSC vs Loma will do more numbers because of LSC's Mexican following so thats basically irrelevant. Me personally I dnt find his style pleasing to watch. He is not a big puncher and he is not wearing anybody down for a stoppage so whats the appeal. Ill rather watch Rigo anyday over LSC.

 

[Newzz]

He duckin

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"Are you negotiating with Rigo?"
Russian spy Klimas " we're just manager and fighter talk to the promoters or match makers"

Loma caught a case of the Manny's

Edit: at them saying it ust be frustrating because nobody wants to get in the ring with you cause they paying dudes $25k and airfair shyt.

He calling out Mikey Garcia at 135 in this same video, and yall acting like he scared of Rigo?

He's trying to move up in weight to fight a much bigger & stronger P4Per in Garcia...and yall think he's afraid of dragging Rigo up 2 divisions?

Nah I don't think boxers are ever afraid of fighting one another. Mikey's an easier fight than Rigo, right this second. They were talking how hard it is for Loma to find opponents, but Rigo is willing and able. Call it what you want, I want to see them fight.

Y'all know why he won't fight Rigo...it doesn't make business sense yet. He's not ducking him, but it's kind of pointless bc Loma resume is already top notch and he's widely regarded already. Beating Rigo won't mean "Ok, he's the real deal" bc we already know he is already.

Beating Rigo literally brings nothing to the table....not even a belt.

Damn breh you saying beating Rigo one of the most talented fighters in boxing today ,won't bring nothing to the table? Even if it happen at 130 we got to give him respect for beating somebody as talented as Rigo. To be real, in the boxing media this is the most talked about fight for Loma. I'm not hearing any buzz about any other Loma opp.

Loma doesn't have to fight Rigo and it shouldn't be labeled as a duck but for you to sit here and say it won't mean anything if he beat Rigo is blasphemy.

But if that's how you feel tho that's how you feel

I massively disagree but that's cool.

Ok....beating Rigo does what for Lomachenko?

*calls out a P4Per in Mikey Garcia to fight at 135...putting yourself at a weight/size/strength disadvantage to challenge yourself *

*be labeled afraid of dragging up a fighter 2 divisions below your own by a Chris Eubank fan....same Eubank who couldn't find his pen to face someone who fights 1 division beneath him*

we all want to see the best fight the best. if you vouch for your fighter to do anything less on some "it dont make business sense" then do you really believe in the fighter. it dont matter if its nelo, loma, floyd, AJ.

its one thing for a fighter or the promotion to be cautious, but why should the stans not want to see the fighter fight the best. thats wat ultimately boost the fighters to the highest levels, win or lose

What does beating Rigondeaux at 130 do for Lomachenko?

Beating Jermall Charlo at 154 would've shown that Canelo can actually defeat guys who are skilled and just as big/fast/powerful as he is. He still has yet to do that.


"we all want to see the best vs the best"...no you don't, or yall wouldn't be ok with Joshua to facing someone other than Deontay Wilder if the Klitschko fight doesnt happen.


What does beating a guy, who says he cant even make 130, do for Lomachenko? I want to know the answer bc I dont want ANY excuses when Loma beats him.

Yall already setting them up, but Im kicking em over like

Again........I don't want ANY excuses, so yall can save em. It's too late.



#PrettyBoys

 

[Newzz]

Maybe so just pay that man his money and he will be good. Salido dnt need Loma. Loma need him.

It is levels,,, Valdez isnt getting propped up as the P4P#1 by ESPN. He is a green champion who gets into brawls with evrybody he fights for better or for worse. I guess Valdez is the standard setter then.

Floyd is Floyd. There will never be a fighter to be that financially successful with his style. That's an outlier.

The only reason LSC vs Loma will do more numbers because of LSC's Mexican following so thats basically irrelevant. Me personally I dnt find his style pleasing to watch. He is not a big puncher and he is not wearing anybody down for a stoppage so whats the appeal. Ill rather watch Rigo anyday over LSC.

He offered Salido a career high payday....he turned it down.


It's over for Salido, he ducked a runback twice now.

 

[Newzz]

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Wilder scolding that old fool the entire video



:bombzquad: #BombZquad

 

[FrankyFourFingers]

Yall already setting them up, but Im kicking em over like

Again........I don't want ANY excuses, so yall can save em. It's too late.



#PrettyBoys

Pulling for rigo but i also think loma might be to big. If loma loses an bobby got to eat it

I got loma winning. when both are equally as skilled, size matters. Hope rigo ices him tho

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Yall already setting them up, but Im kicking em over like

Again........I don't want ANY excuses, so yall can save em. It's too late.



#PrettyBoys

Yo, I still don't get the sentiments around here that Loma is a hype job waiting to be exposed and that Rigo is the masterclass fighter that is being blackballed by the mainstream.

Loma has the better resume and won more impressively. He looks to have every bit of technical talent and athletic talent. He also isn't chinny and aggressively goes after good fights.

If anything you would think that the argument would be that they both are supremely talented, Loma has more mainstream appealing style than Rigo, and Loma has made better career choices. Rigo's career has been disappointing to this point, partly due to boxing politics and a very big part due to him choosing poor management.

I also agree Rigo fans shouldn't play the weight card when Rigo is desperately begging for this fight and it really is his only fight that has meant anything since Donaire.

 

[reservoirdogs]

This surely aint the attitude yall had in here PRIOR to Loma accepting the challenge.



Now that Loma putting Rigo's feet to the fire it's " but Loma's bigger"



Im not hearing none of this breh.......you'd be better off typing up yall excuses now, because Im telling you, Im going to laugh at each one of you who ran yall's mouth about how Rigo beats Loma and IGNORED me when I said that Loma was bigger and its a pointless fight for him. Im not trying to see no pleas copped now.....it's too late.

fair enough but then that's more about fan wars than the actual fighters

as I recall I wasn't so harsh on Loma but frankly I don't remember already. I was rooting for Rigo to get the fight and I was like if Loma already fights Marriagas out there then a Rigo fight would still be more meaningful than that.
I won't take away every credit from Loma if he wins due to Rigo's level, it would still be a nice win, at the same time though I think a Loma win and a Rigo win carry a lot different weight here.

I wouldn't have said a word if Loma opted for a unification btw

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Need Andrade to put on a masterclass, and call out Jacobs, Canelo, Charlo, and GGG.
They all been running, some longer than others.

I am an Andrade fan, but none of those fighters have been doing any ducking. Jacobs is doing his thing and tried to get Canelo, BJS, and Lemieux and got turned down. Canelo has been doing the things that are 100% correct for his career without major ducking post GGG (he more than the others has to maintain marketability), Charlo is making his come up, and GGG has been following the plan his team has laid out for the last couple years damn near exactly (except BJS always delaying).

Andrade is talented and will deserve big fights at 160. Thing is he needs to EARN is way into them. Canelo and GGG are running 160. Jacobs is number 3 and has everyone cautious of a fight with him and Charlo is the rightful young guy who deserves next. With all my respect for Andrade, he still needs to put in work and earn it like those other guys.

That said no mention of Lara running from Andrade at 154. Lara kept saying he would fight GGG at 160. How about fighting Andrade at 160 now?

 

[David_TheMan]

I am an Andrade fan, but none of those fighters have been doing any ducking. Jacobs is doing his thing and tried to get Canelo, BJS, and Lemieux and got turned down. Canelo has been doing the things that are 100% correct for his career without major ducking post GGG (he more than the others has to maintain marketability), Charlo is making his come up, and GGG has been following the plan his team has laid out for the last couple years damn near exactly (except BJS always delaying).

Andrade is talented and will deserve big fights at 160. Thing is he needs to EARN is way into them. Canelo and GGG are running 160. Jacobs is number 3 and has everyone cautious of a fight with him and Charlo is the rightful young guy who deserves next. With all my respect for Andrade, he still needs to put in work and earn it like those other guys.

That said no mention of Lara running from Andrade at 154. Lara kept saying he would fight GGG at 160. How about fighting Andrade at 160 now?

Andrade been calling out Lara, Canelo and Charlos for years at 154.
He called out GGG when he first went up to 160 and he been calling out Jacobs since he got his title.

They have all ignored him, he mentioned the Haymon folks freezing him out, and I guess Canelo and GGG saw him as too high risk for the reward.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

fair enough but then that's more about fan wars than the actual fighters

as I recall I wasn't so harsh on Loma but frankly I don't remember already. I was rooting for Rigo to get the fight and I was like if Loma already fights Marriagas out there then a Rigo fight would still be more meaningful than that.
I won't take away every credit from Loma if he wins due to Rigo's level, it would still be a nice win, at the same time though I think a Loma win and a Rigo win carry a lot different weight here.

I wouldn't have said a word if Loma opted for a unification btw

I understand the weight issue, but don't necessarily agree. If Loma just walks Rigo down and reduces his technical style to trying to GGG himself over Kell Brook, then that perspective is 100% valid and we all should say that Rigo walked into a bigger man and had no chance of winning.

However, that isn't how Loma fights and I would be extremely surprised even if that was an option to win the fight Loma won't do it. I think both fighters want to show off their technical expertise. Loma seems to take pride in embarrassing less technical fighters.

I expect at the end of the day even if Loma's size/power advantage finishes the fight, we will have still seen the blueprint for their technical matchup and that will be how the fight is truly decided.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Andrade been calling out Lara, Canelo and Charlos for years at 154.
He called out GGG when he first went up to 160 and he been calling out Jacobs since he got his title.

They have all ignored him, he mentioned the Haymon folks freezing him out, and I guess Canelo and GGG saw him as too high risk for the reward.

Like I said, even as an Andrade fan, you can call out whoever you want when you know the fight won't get made. All those guys had clear career paths that didn't include Andrade and frankly they shouldn't have involved Andrade. He was never ducked.

Now Lara still has some answering to do...

 

[Newzz]

Yo, I still don't get the sentiments around here that Loma is a hype job waiting to be exposed and that Rigo is the masterclass fighter that is being blackballed by the mainstream.

Loma has the better resume and won more impressively. He looks to have every bit of technical talent and athletic talent. He also isn't chinny and aggressively goes after good fights.

If anything you would think that the argument would be that they both are supremely talented, Loma has more mainstream appealing style than Rigo, and Loma has made better career choices. Rigo's career has been disappointing to this point, partly due to boxing politics and a very big part due to him choosing poor management.

I also agree Rigo fans shouldn't play the weight card when Rigo is desperately begging for this fight and it really is his only fight that has meant anything since Donaire.

All facts.



I was dismissive of the fight due to the size advantage of Loma & saying that it would be a pointless fight for him bc it wont change anything as far as how Loma is viewed and was told that Loma was scared and I was making excuses...............................only for the fight to be made and now they already saying, "bu-bu-but Loma is too big" and "if Loma wins, he will get little credit", which is the whole reason I said the fight was pointless originally bc that would be the sentiment.


Im not allowing excuses for this fight

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Drugs are bad, mmmmkay

 

[Newzz]

I am an Andrade fan, but none of those fighters have been doing any ducking. Jacobs is doing his thing and tried to get Canelo, BJS, and Lemieux and got turned down. Canelo has been doing the things that are 100% correct for his career without major ducking post GGG (he more than the others has to maintain marketability), Charlo is making his come up, and GGG has been following the plan his team has laid out for the last couple years damn near exactly (except BJS always delaying).

Andrade is talented and will deserve big fights at 160. Thing is he needs to EARN is way into them. Canelo and GGG are running 160. Jacobs is number 3 and has everyone cautious of a fight with him and Charlo is the rightful young guy who deserves next. With all my respect for Andrade, he still needs to put in work and earn it like those other guys.

That said no mention of Lara running from Andrade at 154. Lara kept saying he would fight GGG at 160. How about fighting Andrade at 160 now?

Andrade going to have to beat his way to the top of 160. Luckily for him, Max Kellerman & Roy Jones LOVE Boxers who fight in the style Andrade does, so the praise is going to be there as long as he handles his business.



#ATeam

 

[reservoirdogs]

I understand the weight issue, but don't necessarily agree. If Loma just walks Rigo down and reduces his technical style to trying to GGG himself over Kell Brook, then that perspective is 100% valid and we all should say that Rigo walked into a bigger man and had no chance of winning.

However, that isn't how Loma fights and I would be extremely surprised even if that was an option to win the fight Loma won't do it. I think both fighters want to show off their technical expertise. Loma seems to take pride in embarrassing less technical fighters.

I expect at the end of the day even if Loma's size/power advantage finishes the fight, we will have still seen the blueprint for their technical matchup and that will be how the fight is truly decided.

yeah this is basically how I usually argue how Rigo has a chance. Loma isn't a "physical" fighter and his reach is shorter which plays into Rigo's hands. but still... if Rigo's power just not enough to hurt the bigger man Loma just gonna adjust and "walk him down".