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Loma can kick Mannys ass for all I care until he faces Salido again that L will haunt him; his team shouldnt try to duck by out pricing himself; exactly why Arum is pushing for the match that L is preventing Loma from taking that leap superstar wiseSiri turned down the rematch...not Neo
reservoirdogs
Superstar
I love Farmer....but his best win was Redkach, who had previously been destroyed by Zlaticanin (@mr. smoke weed Im telling you breh, Mikey better be on his P's and Q's vs that boy) and Farmer NEEDS to be calling out Pedraza, who's the whole reason Farmer has to walk around the rest of his life with a lazy eye
I think Neo vs Sweet T would be a nice boxing match though and wouldn't mind seeing it. Like you, I woudn't favor Farmer, but I do favor the fight itself
Salido? I think he stands 0 chance coming in the rematch. I think Loma has leveled up a lot....and again, Siri won a very close on the cards 1st fight even with the huge weight advantage and the no-call low blows. I think Loma wins very wide on the cards, but the fight itself would be closer than the cards say bc Siri doesn't stop fighting at any point in the fight. Would love to see that fight again as well.
Jezreel Corrales? Nah, he's not ready for that leap in competition yet. I'd be surprised if he keeps his belt after New Year's Eve
Farmer got that eye against Pedraza?
I didn't know that
I also think Loma could bet Salido now but let's not forget that Salido is probably still stronger than Loma physically so he could still try to make it a dog fight. Fighting rough, out of a clinch isn't Loma's territory as far as I saw, he always tries to get out of clinches.
Collzo as I said is a dark horse, yeah it's possible that he will lose that belt although I hope he won't cause I see a higher chance that he's gonna take a unificatio fight with someone than Uhiyama who would continue to stack his record in Japan...
And you're right o Zlaticanin, that guy is no joke. If Mikey didn't regain his former self he'll maybe take his first L.
Mercante Should have been the ref for Loma WaltersLara vs Yuri Foreman at the top of next year I didn't even know Foreman still boxed, haven't seen him since Arthur Mercante told him to walk off a torn ACL
reservoirdogs
Superstar
them British insultsWhat's a bellend?
them British insults
They can be amazingly inventive
ChocolateGiddyUp
Superstar
Muhfukkers acting like we forgot Team Loma offering Salido LESS then Rocky Martinez :shedead:
Acting like we forgot Team Loma saying "hey you think you can beat us take what we offering N prove it, then make more after"
Loma needs Salido....Salido don't need Loma...they better pay or deal with the fact they took a L to Cristobal Cruz leftovers N never avenged it
reservoirdogs
Superstar
Farmer been called out Pedraza fam, Pedraza said he wasn't fighting him unless he gets a world titleI love Farmer....but his best win was Redkach, who had previously been destroyed by Zlaticanin (@mr. smoke weed Im telling you breh, Mikey better be on his P's and Q's vs that boy
I think Neo vs Sweet T would be a nice boxing match though and wouldn't mind seeing it. Like you, I woudn't favor Farmer, but I do favor the fight itself
Salido? I think he stands 0 chance coming in the rematch. I think Loma has leveled up a lot....and again, Siri won a very close on the cards 1st fight even with the huge weight advantage and the no-call low blows. I think Loma wins very wide on the cards, but the fight itself would be closer than the cards say bc Siri doesn't stop fighting at any point in the fight. Would love to see that fight again as well.
Jezreel Corrales? Nah, he's not ready for that leap in competition yet. I'd be surprised if he keeps his belt after New Year's Eve
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Yep. Word was Loma's side was all agreed to and HBO low balled Salido because their budget in 2016 isSiri turned down the rematch...not Neo
. Word is their budget is supposed to be back to normal next year and that was the target from Salido's side. He knew that Lomachenko wanted the fight, so he could hold out for more money.I don't have a problem with either side. Now...if this fight doesn't get made in the first half of next year
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reservoirdogs
Superstar
Pedraza has a belt so if Farmer navigates himself into a mandatory position then Pedraza has to fight him or vacate
Mercante would have told Walters fukk that, the show goes on, the negligence this dude shows in his fights man...Mercante Should have been the ref for Loma Walters
Yea but Farmer is only ranked 7th in the IBF rankings(Pedraza's belt) so we got a ways to go, hopefully he gets a big fight in 2017 as long as he handles his business on Friday, dude is one of my favorites right now.
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Some good stuff from Bread:
On Ward vs. Kovalev:
Yes I think Ward took Kovalev’s right hand away to an extent. Looking back on it Kovalev should have increased the volume of his jab. I thought both fighters jabbed on even terms but that’s Ward’s fight. He’s in the advantage if it’s a battle of left hands because Kovalev’s right hand is a big part of his arsenal and Ward uses his right hand sparingly.
I thought Ward’s body work was getting to Sergey. He showed visible distress from Ward’s body attack. Ward may not throw a lot of right hands to the head but his right hand to the body is vicious. You could see the red marks on Kovalev’s left flank.
Calling Ward a one handed fighter seems like an insult. So I don’t call him that. But I do understand why you say that. His right hand is underused offensively but he does it use it to body punch and for defensive purposes. To his credit though he did try to land a nice right hand to the head in the 2nd round and Kovalev traded with him and dropped him. So maybe that kept the right hand in the pocket.
I just think that Ward has not used his right hand for so long in his career that his mind has adjusted to it. It’s not the worst thing in the world because no one really takes advantage of his lack of use for his right hand. I also want to point out something else.
I think one of the reasons for his mind quickness is he knows which weapon he’s going to choose. So it takes his mind less time to process. Ward is not going to go in his toolbox to throw a variety of uppercuts or exotic punches. He’s going to stab you in the stomach with a jab. Stab you in the head with a jab. Or occasionally shoot a short hard hook. He keeps it simple and it works for him. The man is 32 years old and has not lost in 20 years.
I thought both fighters put on a top level display. Ward showed legendary heart, skill and determination…..Kovalev showed great skill and determination.
I didn’t score the fight. It’s not the political answer it’s the truth. I also don’t want to sit down and rescore it because mentally it contaminates your thought process to do that. But I’m sure during some down time I will. I will let you know when I do.
Kovalev does not apply pressure like GGG because he’s not GGG. Kovalev is a stalker like Tommy Hearns and Bob Foster. His game is keeping you on the end of his punches and stalking you. Long, tall stalkers rarely cut off the ring. They stalk you and score points. Look at Tommy Hearns’s fights vs Wilfred Benitez and Ray Leonard. He never cut the ring off on those two elite boxers. He stalked them. Stalkers are pointing their lead shoulder at you trying to land a jab. It gives the mover an exit. I tried to point this out to you guys last week.
A stalker is constantly snapping his jab. But he’s not jabbing to get up on you. He’s jabbing to keep you at a distance and score points. The distance allows the moving fighter to not be trapped on the ropes or in the corners. A pressure fighter jabs his way in so he can punish you up close. I know some will say GGG uses his jab. Yes he does but when he’s in hunter mode he’s using it to step up into your personal space. Kovalev needs extension to hurt you. GGG doesn’t. They are different types of animals that shouldn’t be confused.
Ward vs. Kovalev decision:
Elite level fighters are elite for a reason. Often times they will do enough in a round to make a case for themselves. It’s part of being a top level fighter. So if you watch a historically debatable and close fight you will find reasons to give one of the participants close rounds. If I wanted to make a subjective case for Ward or Kovalev I could and it really wouldn’t be hard. So that’s why I haven’t indulged.
I would say 65% of the people I know scored the fight for Kovalev. With 35% scoring for Ward. The common score I keep getting is 114-113 for Kovalev. Most people feel both guys won 6 rounds but the knockdown was the difference. I personally don’t respect everyone’s score. I know people in boxing and people in the media are partial to both and that’s how they scored it. It’s common knowledge. But there are a handful of people I know who are always objective almost to a fault. Out of those particular boxing sharps the feedback has been on both sides. Some say Ward edged it, some say Kovalev.
On Walters quitting:
I say listen to your Mrs (that fans should tolerate quitting better in boxing because fighters risk permanent damage). She knows what she’s talking about. I have watched some fighters quit and I honestly know they are con men. I didn’t get that from Walters.
Obviously as someone involved in the sport you don’t ever want to see a fighter quit. But Walters was demoralized. He had not fought in over a year. Before that he was on the rough end of a draw. So he holds out only to make 300k vs Loma’s 1 million. That’s extremely demoralizing. Then on top of that he gets outclassed. Again he probably would have lost even he fought 3 times this year. But it’s just not a good situation to be in.
I don’t want to make a general statement about who should quit and who shouldn’t. It’s not a good thing to quit. But sometimes it’s understandable. Let’s just leave it at that.
On Ward vs. Kovalev:
Yes I think Ward took Kovalev’s right hand away to an extent. Looking back on it Kovalev should have increased the volume of his jab. I thought both fighters jabbed on even terms but that’s Ward’s fight. He’s in the advantage if it’s a battle of left hands because Kovalev’s right hand is a big part of his arsenal and Ward uses his right hand sparingly.
I thought Ward’s body work was getting to Sergey. He showed visible distress from Ward’s body attack. Ward may not throw a lot of right hands to the head but his right hand to the body is vicious. You could see the red marks on Kovalev’s left flank.
Calling Ward a one handed fighter seems like an insult. So I don’t call him that. But I do understand why you say that. His right hand is underused offensively but he does it use it to body punch and for defensive purposes. To his credit though he did try to land a nice right hand to the head in the 2nd round and Kovalev traded with him and dropped him. So maybe that kept the right hand in the pocket.
I just think that Ward has not used his right hand for so long in his career that his mind has adjusted to it. It’s not the worst thing in the world because no one really takes advantage of his lack of use for his right hand. I also want to point out something else.
I think one of the reasons for his mind quickness is he knows which weapon he’s going to choose. So it takes his mind less time to process. Ward is not going to go in his toolbox to throw a variety of uppercuts or exotic punches. He’s going to stab you in the stomach with a jab. Stab you in the head with a jab. Or occasionally shoot a short hard hook. He keeps it simple and it works for him. The man is 32 years old and has not lost in 20 years.
I thought both fighters put on a top level display. Ward showed legendary heart, skill and determination…..Kovalev showed great skill and determination.
I didn’t score the fight. It’s not the political answer it’s the truth. I also don’t want to sit down and rescore it because mentally it contaminates your thought process to do that. But I’m sure during some down time I will. I will let you know when I do.
Kovalev does not apply pressure like GGG because he’s not GGG. Kovalev is a stalker like Tommy Hearns and Bob Foster. His game is keeping you on the end of his punches and stalking you. Long, tall stalkers rarely cut off the ring. They stalk you and score points. Look at Tommy Hearns’s fights vs Wilfred Benitez and Ray Leonard. He never cut the ring off on those two elite boxers. He stalked them. Stalkers are pointing their lead shoulder at you trying to land a jab. It gives the mover an exit. I tried to point this out to you guys last week.
A stalker is constantly snapping his jab. But he’s not jabbing to get up on you. He’s jabbing to keep you at a distance and score points. The distance allows the moving fighter to not be trapped on the ropes or in the corners. A pressure fighter jabs his way in so he can punish you up close. I know some will say GGG uses his jab. Yes he does but when he’s in hunter mode he’s using it to step up into your personal space. Kovalev needs extension to hurt you. GGG doesn’t. They are different types of animals that shouldn’t be confused.
Ward vs. Kovalev decision:
Elite level fighters are elite for a reason. Often times they will do enough in a round to make a case for themselves. It’s part of being a top level fighter. So if you watch a historically debatable and close fight you will find reasons to give one of the participants close rounds. If I wanted to make a subjective case for Ward or Kovalev I could and it really wouldn’t be hard. So that’s why I haven’t indulged.
I would say 65% of the people I know scored the fight for Kovalev. With 35% scoring for Ward. The common score I keep getting is 114-113 for Kovalev. Most people feel both guys won 6 rounds but the knockdown was the difference. I personally don’t respect everyone’s score. I know people in boxing and people in the media are partial to both and that’s how they scored it. It’s common knowledge. But there are a handful of people I know who are always objective almost to a fault. Out of those particular boxing sharps the feedback has been on both sides. Some say Ward edged it, some say Kovalev.
On Walters quitting:
I say listen to your Mrs (that fans should tolerate quitting better in boxing because fighters risk permanent damage). She knows what she’s talking about. I have watched some fighters quit and I honestly know they are con men. I didn’t get that from Walters.
Obviously as someone involved in the sport you don’t ever want to see a fighter quit. But Walters was demoralized. He had not fought in over a year. Before that he was on the rough end of a draw. So he holds out only to make 300k vs Loma’s 1 million. That’s extremely demoralizing. Then on top of that he gets outclassed. Again he probably would have lost even he fought 3 times this year. But it’s just not a good situation to be in.
I don’t want to make a general statement about who should quit and who shouldn’t. It’s not a good thing to quit. But sometimes it’s understandable. Let’s just leave it at that.