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:russ:That nygga **** ran into the best version of Lamont I have ever seen.

Peterson is an interesting fighter. He has times when he looks vulnerable, times when he's mediocre, and times where he looks like he could be that nygga. That's why it was no surprise to me when he went in there and pretty much controlled Garcia.
 

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Who knows breh

I can see the fight playing out a bunch of different ways

Thurman said if Danny wants to be agressive hell be passive N if Danny wants to be passive hell be agressive

Swift said they preparing for Keith to run

Thurman be on that im the real Walterweight im bigger stronger N try to slug it out
It would be in Swifts best interest to let Keith be aggressive. Danny is better when he's fighting off the backfoot than coming forward and initiating the action.

Let Thurman open up, pick your spots. There will be plenty of openings.

That will be one of the ex factors though, seeing if Thurman respects Danny's power enough are says fukk it he can't hurt me. Also if Thurman implements his jab. He has a jab, but that shyt was non existent against Porter. Gonna need that jab in this fight
 

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It would be in Swifts best interest to let Keith be aggressive. Danny is better when he's fighting off the backfoot than coming forward and initiating the action.

Let Thurman open up, pick your spots. There will be plenty of openings.

That will be one of the ex factors though, seeing if Thurman respects Danny's power enough are says fukk it he can't hurt me. Also if Thurman implements his jab. He has a jab, but that shyt was non existent against Porter. Gonna need that jab in this fight


Yup which makes this fight intriguing af

Keith says if Swift is passive Hell be aggressive...but thats exactly what Swift wants :jbhmm:


Then All that rah rah real Walterweight I'm too big shyt...but if he starts moving too much N Swift is moving forward its goin look :patrice: especially to the judges


Then on the flip side Can Swift take Keith's punch...does Swift got enough fire power to worry Keith...does Swift gas late...


shyts goin be :whew:
 

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From what I understand, Stiverne was popped for DMAA, which was suggested to him by a health club in Nevada.

To my knowledge, the reason why it's been recently banned is because it has incredibly hazardous side effects. Basically, it's an attempt to protect the athlete from themselves.

I could be wrong as far as its effects, but it's supposed to be a dietary supplement to trest post-workout fatigue.

The fight is still on. Dopevetkin can't complain cause he got caught hot too......
 

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The crying what will begin when Thurman keeps it safe and beat Garcia in the same fashion as Bundu... :banderas:
Obviously it won't be THAT wide but if Thurman's overall approach to that fight will be the same (keep it safe and win from the outside) and he won't get suckered into a brawl then Swift and his dad are fukked
 

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The crying what will begin when Thurman keeps it safe and beat Garcia in the same fashion as Bundu... :banderas:
Obviously it won't be THAT wide but if Thurman's overall approach to that fight will be the same (keep it safe and win from the outside) and he won't get suckered into a brawl then Swift and his dad are fukked
That's how I see it, it would be in Thurman best interest if he plays it safe.
 

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idk man tank aint focused at all.

plus he still just try to slug and ko u.

still doesn't work behind a jab and leaky defense. no way he outboxes Pedraza.

how is Pedraza chin, has he ever been kd?

I agree with everything you're saying and, to my knowledge, I have never seen Pedraza down...however he held the same advantages over Edner Cherry and I watched him lose (I thought) live to Cherry.


For the reason that I think Tank is better than Cherry, Im taking Tank over Pedraza.
 

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I agree with everything you're saying and, to my knowledge, I have never seen Pedraza down...however he held the same advantages over Edner Cherry and I watched him lose (I thought) live to Cherry.


For the reason that I think Tank is better than Cherry, Im taking Tank over Pedraza.

so u just dont believe Pedraza is that good. fair enough. i have the same doubts bout certain boxers.
 

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so u just dont believe Pedraza is that good. fair enough. i have the same doubts bout certain boxers.

Yep. I think Pedraza is a "place holder" for a better Lightweight to come along and take the belt off his shoulders. The best opponent he faced, I thought obviously beat him...and I don't think much of Cherry either. Tank, I don't believe he's top tier either, but I think the fact he throws much harder with meaner intentions (which catches the eye of fans/judges), plus the fact that Tank is TMT, means the judge's may favor him over Pedraza as well.
 

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VIRGIL HUNTER RESPONDS TO "DISRESPECTFUL" ABEL SANCHEZ SAYING HE MADE KOVALEV: "WHEN KOVALEV DOESN'T GET THE VICTORY...BLAME ABEL"
By Ben Thompson | November 15, 2016
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BT: Prior to adding John David Jackson to his team, Kovalev was working with Abel Sanchez. Can you tell the difference between the Kovalev that was with Sanchez versus the Kovalev that's now with Jackson? Do you notice any change in him?

VH: To be honest, I haven't seen a Kovalev fight when Abel Sanchez was in his corner at all. All I can do is go on what Kovalev said, that he acquired his skills in the streets of Russia. And I can only go on what Sanchez said, that Kovalev wanted to do it his way, so that's why he let Kovalev go. Jackson says the same thing, that Kovalev wants to do it his way. Kovalev says, "I do it my way. He gives me mitt work and when I get to the corner, he might tell me something about my technique," and that's pretty much it. So people can make what they want to make out of that, but it seems like Kovalev made himself if you read those quotes.

BT: According to Abel Sanchez, he's the one that made Sergey Kovalev. I don't know if you heard, but during an interview, Abel actually said that John David Jackson shouldn't get any credit if Kovalev beats Ward because he's the one that really made him the fighter he is today. Being in that fraternity of trainers, was it disrespectful for Abel to say that?

VH: I think it's very disrespectful. I think it's very irresponsible. The coaching business is difficult enough. We're the first to get fired, first to get blamed when something goes wrong. Everyone's trying to earn a living. This is our livelihood. Fighters come and go. One fighter might be with you and then go with Abel Sanchez or John David Jackson, or vice versa. The game is tough enough without making a statement like that, but it was a contradictory statement because Sanchez said he let Kovalev go because he wanted to do things his way. If he was doing things his way and it offended you enough to let him go, well then it's obvious that you didn't make him. Now, I think to retract that and try to smooth it out, but he actually made it more bumpy, was to say that the environment made him who he was, just being up there at the Summit made him who he was. Either it was a weak attempt to get recruits or you're just talking. Look, Abel's enjoying his portion under the sun now. He's got a horse in the race, he's got mics in his face everywhere he go, so he's becoming more and more of a sound bite. But if he really stops and thinks, he's contradicting himself quite a bit and he probably should just take a deep breath, take a step back, and just refocus and reanalyze and realize that, you know, this is something you might not really want to say. But in fairness to John David Jackson, whether Kovalev made himself or not, John David Jackson furthered his development. You can't take that away from him. But maybe this is Sanchez's way of interjecting himself into the fight for the simple reason that deep down in his heart, he knows why Ward and Golovkin didn't fight, so he'll try to get a victory maybe that way if it happens. But when Kovalev doesn't get the victory, you can best bet that John David Jackson is not going to be the one to blame. We're going to blame Abel Sanchez because he said he developed him. If you're going to claim the victory, accept the defeat!


 

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VIRGIL HUNTER SPEAKS IN-DEPTH ABOUT SERGEY KOVALEV VS. ANDRE WARD; INSISTS FIGHT WILL NOT PLAY OUT HOW PEOPLE THINK
By Ben Thompson | November 15, 2016
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BT: Virgil, how did training camp go for you guys?

VH: Pleased with what I see. I felt like we went into camp ahead of schedule because we only took a week off from the Brand fight. Being ahead of schedule is a luxury and we're able to take things one day at a time as opposed to wondering if you have enough days or if you need days off. We're able to give him more days off now because of the condition that he's in, so that in itself is a luxury.

BT: How helpful was it for you to have a top light heavyweight like Andrzej Fonfara in camp and getting some work in with Dre?

VH: It's been very good to have a top fighter like Andrzej Fonfara here and we're getting these rounds in with him, along with other people that we have, so that's been great within itself because it keeps things at a very competitive level. And he's also hungry, so that makes for great work. The fighter, Fonfara, has said enough himself to reinforce what I already know and that's a good thing. Where Dre is right now, being a few days out from the fight, is right where we need him to be. Fonfara is instrumental in that. I'm glad he's here and I thank him and I give him a lot of credit for the competitive work that we get.

BT: In the past, I know Dre has had to deal with some nagging injuries throughout camp. Obviously there's going to be some bumps and bruises from training, but other than that, do you think it's safe to say that he'll be facing Kovalev at 100%?

VH: I do. You know, his injuries come from his intensity in training, so he's had to learn how to tone it down and make the adjustments to get in the same type of condition, but not just going 100 miles full steam ahead. You know, learning how to maneuver his conditioning, learning how to stack it, and as a result, he sees the difference. Just because you can run 8 miles doesn't mean you have to do it. As long as you know you can do it, you don't need the unnecessary pounding. He's been conditioned from the time he's been 9 years old and never out of condition, so that suggests that where he is now at this stage of his career, he doesn't have to go out and be gung-ho about his conditioning. If he just keeps it steady, keeps it consistent, we'll get the results we want.

BT: It seems to me like Dre has a different edge to him for this fight, like he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder and is itching to get the fight started. Do you sense anything different about him for this fight than in other fights or am I just reading too much into it?

VH: Well, I think you're on track, and a lot of things come together to suggest that he's ready to fight when you mention his demeanor or his posture or anything like that. But again, it's him rising to the occasion, and that's always been his gift to be able to take a situation like this and take it to the next level and the next level after that if he has to, and that's what separates him. When it comes time to perform under the brightest of the lights and when it comes time to reach for the highest bar, he's been able to do that and he still is able to do that, make no mistake about it!

BT: I know you guys have always been looking for big fights. That said, do you think this fight is coming at the right time?

VH: I think so. After the litigation process he went through, after the fights coming back, I think he realizes some things about the dynamics of the sport and the dynamics of...I want to make sure I say it in a way that's understood...he feels pretty much neglected. What I mean by that is the gold medalist; here's a guy who has pretty much done the things that a man is supposed to do, but, you know, when you have a young man like Andre, who has the character, who has the maturity, who has, most importantly, the insight on how things operate, it takes some people aback, so when we don't understand something, we'll basically say anything. So he feels like an outsider so to speak. In other words, what have I done not to be respected or what haven't I done, you see. He's done everything you could possibly ask in the boxing game. He hasn't disrespected the sport. He's been an ambassador for the sport, but because he chose to be a man in litigation, because he chooses to be a man about how he conducts himself, a lot of people are not comfortable with that. They're more comfortable when you fit into this box that they set aside for certain types of guys or certain types of ethnic groups. They've had this box and since he's not going to go in that box, he's misunderstood and because he's misunderstood, there's some things that might be said about him or he might feel like that's against him, so it gives him that attitude. It's just, "I'm here by myself even though I represented this country well."

BT: Does that help leading into a fight, feeling like there's that type of disrespect, or could it potentially hurt him if it's not managed right?

VH: Most definitely it helps because when you get 30 years old, 31 years old, and you've been fighting 20 years, you definitely have to have a reason to keep fighting. And if you've made a good living and you've made enough money to see you through life, you can let up, but circumstances keep him hungry; circumstances keep a chip on his shoulder, you see. So that's a motivational factor in itself and we'll take it any time.

BT: Talk to me a little bit about Sergey Kovalev. Now that you've had a chance to go through camp and really analyze tapes on him, do you see anything different about him now or is he pretty much what you thought he was prior to preparing for him?


VH: Well, he's the Krusher, you know, and I haven't seen any indication why you should remove that nickname that he has, the Krusher. He's been dominant in the division, without a doubt, and also he's the number one light heavyweight to some people, to the masses. Even though we have another great light heavyweight champion and they haven't fought yet, he's seen as the light heavyweight champion, so I haven't seen anything different because he's been so dominant. I don't take anything from the Chilemba fight other than the fact that Chilemba's a good fighter also. You have to take him at his word that when he went to Russia, he was pulled on and tugged on and distracted and everything, so I take them at their word, however it was. You have to prepare for Sergey Kovalev. You can't prepare for the Kovalev that fought Chilemba. You can't prepare for a Kovalev that you think this is who he is. You have to prepare for what he's shown and what he's shown is dominance.

BT: Everybody talks about him being a big puncher. Knowing that, is there anything that you guys do differently in camp to prepare for an opponent like that.

VH: Well, my focus is just getting Andre ready and to get him ready to where he can utilize all the different styles, utilize his IQ, and then be able to make adjustments as the fight goes along. I think the most important adjustment, if you have to make any, is in the fight itself and we're prepared for that, to make the adjustments for whatever it calls for. I focus on him, period, not so much on will the power of Sergey Kovalev change our approach to things. No, it won't change our approach to things because that would be foolish. You know, you go with what got you there. My focus is on him and making sure that he's ready to utilize all the attributes and weapons that he has.

BT: Do you think too much emphasis is being put on his power? In other words, after watching tape on him, is he just a power puncher or does he bring a certain level of ring IQ to the table as well?

VH: At this stage in his career, from what I've seen, you would have to strongly consider him in that category. Anybody that's been in the ring with him hasn't done anything to suggest otherwise. Again, I don't want to leave any stone unturned. To me, he's the biggest, baddest, smartest fighter on the planet and that's my mindset as we prepare. I give him the benefit of the doubt on every subject that takes place inside a boxing ring.

BT: So what's the best case scenario for you on how this fight plays out?

VH: A victory by any means necessary! Victory! What I can is that what they might think they're going to see, they're not going to see, and that's a fact.

BT: Some people are expecting to see Kovalev get a knockout. Is it possible for Andre Ward to get a knockout?

VH: Well, here's the thing, when everybody speaks of the other person's power and knockouts and everything, they tend to forget that the other guy's hitting back. Trust me, Andre has got the power to knock out any light heavyweight. They cannot afford to make mistakes in this fight. As they say that we can't, they can't either. So it's who is going to keep it down to a minimum, the so-called mistakes. I think how Sergey's people visualize it, it's simply not going to be that way. I think Sergey, he speaks with a lot of intelligence and sense, and I think he deep down understands that I don't think it's going to be like you guys are talking about, like I'm just going to walk up to this man, hit him, and he's going to go (laughing). I don't think it's going to be that simple, you see. So I'm looking for a great fight. If Kovalev wins, he's got my respect. I'll be one of the first to shake his hand, but it's not going to be easy!




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fukk up the fight vs the easier Rican to fight the tougher Rican :beli:

i dont know if i call sosa the easier rican breh :patrice:..sosa went through axeman and fortuna without getting ko'ed or taking a L.sosa can punch, has good workrate, and carries his power and pressure late into a fight..he's not the boxer pedraza is but he's prolly more likely to KO tank..brutally
 
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