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I agree it could catch someone who wasn't expecting it. But where do you generate the power from if the hands already turned? It'd basically be the opposite of an arm punch, if that makes sense. @Yuzo

the power doesnt just come from turning the hand over. the power is generated already by transfering the weight from your front hip to the rear hip.
 

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the power doesnt just come from turning the hand over. the power is generated already by transfering the weight from your front hip to the rear hip.
Yes but you get more power if your punch starts w the thumb up and ends with a quick turn that brings the thumb 45 degrees to the left (right cross)
 

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Yes but you get more power if your punch starts w the thumb up and ends with a quick turn that brings the thumb 45 degrees to the left (right cross)

danny does turn his hook over tho. im sure he does.

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So Guerrero won 3-5 rds (depending how you score), but the rounds Swift won he won big. He showed some improvement as a boxer, but ghost gon ghost,
Sidenote--they found a way to run Guerrero's wife having cancer back again lol
 

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swift beat guerrero up with the much cleaner and harder shots. there shouldnt be any contreversy at all.
 

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[VIDEO] KEITH THURMAN SAYS TIMOTHY BRADLEY IS NOT A THREAT TO MANY AT 147; UNIMPRESSED WITH KO OF BRANDON RIOS || FIGHTHYPE.COM




"Timothy Bradley, to me, has never really been a threat to many people in the welterweight division...he hasn't shown anything new...Brandon Rios isn't top 10,"
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[VIDEO] KEITH THURMAN NOT IMPRESSED WITH DANNY GARCIA, BUT ADMITS HE KNOWS HOW TO WIN: "IMPRESSED? EH!" || FIGHTHYPE.COM




"Impressed? Eh...how many times have we been really impressed with Garcia...he hasn't been doing nothing super special, but he's a winner...he does what it takes to win," stated WBA welterweight champion Keith Thurman, who wasn't impressed with Danny Garcia's title-winning performance against former world champion Robert Guerrero. Check it out!
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This nikka Thurman back to feeling himself I see:mjpls:





#PorterHouse gonna have to put an end to it:demonic:
 
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Danny Garcia and the art of ‘getting by’
Andreas Hale
January 25, 2016




danny-garcia-vs-robert-guerrero-01-fukuda.jpg

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Some fighters look to impress while others look to protect. Danny Garcia seems to have fallen into the category of the latter. Once a hungry young lion who sought to impress with each outing, Garcia has downshifted a bit since his breakout victory against Lucas Matthysse and appears to be more concerned with not losing rather than winning impressively.

Garcia kept his unbeaten record intact with a unanimous, albeit narrow, decision against Robert Guerrero as the main event of Premier Boxing Champion’s Fox debut on Saturday night. When the scores were read, the Staples Center filled up with boos from fans who weren’t terribly impressed with Swift’s performance. And that was for good reason.

You see, Garcia was facing a Robert Guerrero that many people expected him to beat. A Robert Guerrero who was nearly knocked senseless by the relatively light-hitting Aron Martinez – who was retired on the stool by Sammy Vasquez earlier in the night. A Robert Guerrero who was beaten up by Keith Thurman, who happened to be calling the fight ringside. There were a lot of elements surrounding Garcia and he was expected to impress. He was expected to prove that he belongs in the same ring with Thurman and Shawn Porter, who had their March showdown announced. Amir Khan, whom Garcia stopped back when he looked to impress, was also ringside, probably licking his chops at the prospect of facing Garcia again. And Floyd Mayweather, if there was any chance of dragging him out of retirement, was likely unimpressed with what he saw. As a matter of fact, the man whose WBC welterweight title Garcia claimed went so far as to state that he thought Guerrero was winning the fight when he was interviewed in the late rounds.

It wasn’t that Garcia fought a bad fight. Rather, he allowed Guerrero to dictate the action early and win over the crowd. Garcia seemed reluctant to take chances as Guerrero pressed forward and forced the young, unbeaten fighter to dig himself out of a hole. By the mid to late rounds, Guerrero appeared weathered and plodded forward in a straight line, thus becoming a relatively stationary target for Garcia to beat on. However, Garcia played it safe and effectively countered. There were moments when Swift looked like he could put a hurting on Guerrero as his heavy hooks were easily finding a home. But he never took a risk, even though the scale of risk vs. reward was heavily tipping in his favor.



danny-garcia-vs-robert-guerrero-07-fukuda.jpg

Photo by Naoki Fukuda



Nevertheless, he escaped with 116-112 scores from all three judges and improved to 32-0. While you can argue that Guerrero proved to be more formidable than expected, a closer inspection reveals a disturbing trend that is plaguing Garcia. He simply isn’t impressive anymore. He’s mastered the art of getting by. And getting by isn’t winning him any new fans.

Sure, that undefeated record looks pretty. But he’s become this strange protector of a goose egg rather than a fighter who is aware that the opening for boxing’s next superstar is ripe for the taking, if he so chooses to go after it. Since beating Matthysse, Garcia has either squeezed by his opponents or just beat up on guys who didn’t deserve to be in the same ring with him. Maybe this is the best we’ve seen of Danny Garcia and it’s more important to get by than to take a risk and lose. Or, maybe he’s suffering from a case of performing to the level of his competition. It’s like once he shed the perennial underdog label that followed him to the Matthysse fight, he’s become no longer interested in wowing anybody. It’s more of a “whew” than a “wow” these days.

That’s unfortunate because we know that Danny Garcia can fight. He has the style to make for an exciting fight if he chooses to do so. His counterpunching is effective enough to sucker a brawler into a war and find him seeing stars by the end of the exchange. He can be flat-footed at times, but that also makes for excitement where two guys are just ripping punches into each other. No, taking punishment isn’t necessarily what we want Garcia to do. But a little more excitement and risk taking may take him a long way.

Here’s the problem: Garcia isn’t going to have the luxury of winning close fights for much longer. If he ends up taking on the winner of Thurman-Porter, he’s either going to face a fighter who will look to knock his face off or an opponent who brings unrelenting pressure to the ring and could bury him on the scorecards. Amir Khan, who we’d like to think has formed a stronger chin at 147, has faster hands and was actually outboxing Garcia before the Philly fighter caught him asleep at the wheel and dropped him several years ago.

Sooner or later, Garcia is going to have to let that ‘0’ go and increase his value by putting on exciting fights. Being concerned with remaining undefeated will not win him any new fans. It’ll be quite the contrary, as his victory against Guerrero proved.

Danny Garcia is winning, but at what cost?


Danny Garcia and the art of 'getting by' - Ring TV
 

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Danny Garcia and the art of ‘getting by’
Andreas Hale
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danny-garcia-vs-robert-guerrero-01-fukuda.jpg

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Some fighters look to impress while others look to protect. Danny Garcia seems to have fallen into the category of the latter. Once a hungry young lion who sought to impress with each outing, Garcia has downshifted a bit since his breakout victory against Lucas Matthysse and appears to be more concerned with not losing rather than winning impressively.

Garcia kept his unbeaten record intact with a unanimous, albeit narrow, decision against Robert Guerrero as the main event of Premier Boxing Champion’s Fox debut on Saturday night. When the scores were read, the Staples Center filled up with boos from fans who weren’t terribly impressed with Swift’s performance. And that was for good reason.

You see, Garcia was facing a Robert Guerrero that many people expected him to beat. A Robert Guerrero who was nearly knocked senseless by the relatively light-hitting Aron Martinez – who was retired on the stool by Sammy Vasquez earlier in the night. A Robert Guerrero who was beaten up by Keith Thurman, who happened to be calling the fight ringside. There were a lot of elements surrounding Garcia and he was expected to impress. He was expected to prove that he belongs in the same ring with Thurman and Shawn Porter, who had their March showdown announced. Amir Khan, whom Garcia stopped back when he looked to impress, was also ringside, probably licking his chops at the prospect of facing Garcia again. And Floyd Mayweather, if there was any chance of dragging him out of retirement, was likely unimpressed with what he saw. As a matter of fact, the man whose WBC welterweight title Garcia claimed went so far as to state that he thought Guerrero was winning the fight when he was interviewed in the late rounds.

It wasn’t that Garcia fought a bad fight. Rather, he allowed Guerrero to dictate the action early and win over the crowd. Garcia seemed reluctant to take chances as Guerrero pressed forward and forced the young, unbeaten fighter to dig himself out of a hole. By the mid to late rounds, Guerrero appeared weathered and plodded forward in a straight line, thus becoming a relatively stationary target for Garcia to beat on. However, Garcia played it safe and effectively countered. There were moments when Swift looked like he could put a hurting on Guerrero as his heavy hooks were easily finding a home. But he never took a risk, even though the scale of risk vs. reward was heavily tipping in his favor.



danny-garcia-vs-robert-guerrero-07-fukuda.jpg

Photo by Naoki Fukuda



Nevertheless, he escaped with 116-112 scores from all three judges and improved to 32-0. While you can argue that Guerrero proved to be more formidable than expected, a closer inspection reveals a disturbing trend that is plaguing Garcia. He simply isn’t impressive anymore. He’s mastered the art of getting by. And getting by isn’t winning him any new fans.

Sure, that undefeated record looks pretty. But he’s become this strange protector of a goose egg rather than a fighter who is aware that the opening for boxing’s next superstar is ripe for the taking, if he so chooses to go after it. Since beating Matthysse, Garcia has either squeezed by his opponents or just beat up on guys who didn’t deserve to be in the same ring with him. Maybe this is the best we’ve seen of Danny Garcia and it’s more important to get by than to take a risk and lose. Or, maybe he’s suffering from a case of performing to the level of his competition. It’s like once he shed the perennial underdog label that followed him to the Matthysse fight, he’s become no longer interested in wowing anybody. It’s more of a “whew” than a “wow” these days.

That’s unfortunate because we know that Danny Garcia can fight. He has the style to make for an exciting fight if he chooses to do so. His counterpunching is effective enough to sucker a brawler into a war and find him seeing stars by the end of the exchange. He can be flat-footed at times, but that also makes for excitement where two guys are just ripping punches into each other. No, taking punishment isn’t necessarily what we want Garcia to do. But a little more excitement and risk taking may take him a long way.

Here’s the problem: Garcia isn’t going to have the luxury of winning close fights for much longer. If he ends up taking on the winner of Thurman-Porter, he’s either going to face a fighter who will look to knock his face off or an opponent who brings unrelenting pressure to the ring and could bury him on the scorecards. Amir Khan, who we’d like to think has formed a stronger chin at 147, has faster hands and was actually outboxing Garcia before the Philly fighter caught him asleep at the wheel and dropped him several years ago.

Sooner or later, Garcia is going to have to let that ‘0’ go and increase his value by putting on exciting fights. Being concerned with remaining undefeated will not win him any new fans. It’ll be quite the contrary, as his victory against Guerrero proved.

Danny Garcia is winning, but at what cost?


Danny Garcia and the art of 'getting by' - Ring TV

this article is nonsense. the myth that garcia was getting outboxed by khan is bullshyt started by khan himself. khan was getting tagged with hard shots while he was doing that pitty patty fast combo shyt. garcia was landing the cleaner harder more effective blows. he hit khan with the same left hook that knocked him down many times in the first 3 rounds.

the ring magazine has been shyt since golden boy bought it. of course they would say that.
 

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Come to think of it that's the perfect left hook to throw since so many dudes like to catch left hooks with the glove ala Floyd now a days. To catch the hook that way you are banking on it being vertical when it lands on your glove. That flat shyt could slide above it even it you catch it n give you that equilibrium work. :francis:


We thought dude has struggle footwork but he moved well on saturday....I think it had more to do with him not feeling like the was the physically stronger guy in there though.
I fukked up it was a right he was throwing flat
Breh still has struggle footwork 51+% of the time. But I'm becoming a fan of DSG
 

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[VIDEO] KEITH THURMAN SAYS TIMOTHY BRADLEY IS NOT A THREAT TO MANY AT 147; UNIMPRESSED WITH KO OF BRANDON RIOS || FIGHTHYPE.COM




"Timothy Bradley, to me, has never really been a threat to many people in the welterweight division...he hasn't shown anything new...Brandon Rios isn't top 10,"
Click to expand...









[VIDEO] KEITH THURMAN NOT IMPRESSED WITH DANNY GARCIA, BUT ADMITS HE KNOWS HOW TO WIN: "IMPRESSED? EH!" || FIGHTHYPE.COM




"Impressed? Eh...how many times have we been really impressed with Garcia...he hasn't been doing nothing super special, but he's a winner...he does what it takes to win," stated WBA welterweight champion Keith Thurman, who wasn't impressed with Danny Garcia's title-winning performance against former world champion Robert Guerrero. Check it out!
Click to expand...









This nikka Thurman back to feeling himself I see:mjpls:





#PorterHouse gonna have to put an end to it:demonic:

:heh:

BATB would give Thurman his first L/Mr. Gimme That Zero
 
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