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Danny Garcia-Robert Guerrero - Narrative Versus Reality - Boxing News


Danny Garcia-Robert Guerrero - Narrative Versus Reality
Updated at 02:32 AM EST, Thu Jan 21, 2016 Read More By :
By Cliff Rold

There hasn’t been much positive energy coming from fans via social media. The boxing press has been less than enthused. By some accounts, tickets are still available.

Really available.

The debut of PBC on Fox isn’t landing with a head of steam to say the least. The names are recognizable. Danny Garcia, the former Jr. welterweight king, is battling former featherweight and Jr. lightweight titlist Robert Guerrero. A couple years ago, people might have been fired up for a clash between these two.

In 2016, it’s a fight seen as a foregone conclusion. Timing counts. The WBC’s maneuver from a proposed tournament to deciding to just go ahead and coronate the winner of this fight as their replacement for Floyd Mayweather added an air of politics to take a little more shine off the contest.
Danny Garcia is favored to win. Most think he will do so rather easily. It’s conceivable he’ll do just that.

The popular narrative says Garcia is undefeated the bigger star, and one of the best in the world while Guerrero is a fighter in decline.

Is the narrative equal to the reality? Evidence in the ring might say otherwise.

Guerrero enters this fight having gone 2-1 since a lopsided loss to Mayweather in May 2013. A brutal war with Yoshihiro Kamegai put miles on Guerrero even if he won an earned, wide decision. A lopsided loss to Keith Thurman followed, Guerrero losing almost every round and being dropped in the ninth. In his next fight, Guerrero came off the floor in round four to eke out a decision over a then 19-3-1 Aron Martinez many felt should have gone the other way.

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Garcia has been on a different path. Since upsetting Amir Khan in a 140 lb. unification fight in 2012, he has picked up wins over some of the top talents around his weight. His upset of Lucas Matthysse on the September 2013 undercard of Mayweather-Canelo Alvarez saw his regard the highest it has been in his career. Veterans Mauricio Herrera, Lamont Peterson, and Paulie Malignaggi followed in three of his next four fights.

Looking simply at outcomes on a piece of paper, it’s easy to see why so many see this as a name brand set-up for Garcia. It’s also easy to see why the narrative has played out the way it has. Look deeper and there might be more fight here than many are expecting.

Sure, it can be argued that Guerrero should have lost to Martinez. Was his struggle with Martinez definitely a bad sign? Since their fight, Martinez has gone on to upset Devon Alexander and has a chance at another big upset against undefeated Sammy Vasquez on the Garcia-Guerrero undercard. A once promising prospect that hit a rough patch, it may be that Martinez is just finding himself as a professional.

If it can be argued that Guerrero should have lost to Martinez, it can be just as strongly argued that Garcia should be 2-2 in his last four fights. It doesn’t take much looking to find people who thought both Mauricio Herrera and Lamont Peterson got the business end of those decision losses. Herrera outboxed him. Peterson did too and, when he sat down on his offense, genuinely beat Garcia up in spots.

Pictures don’t always tell the tale, but Garcia’s face after the Peterson ‘win’ said a lot about who took the worst of it on the night. That leaves Garcia’s only undisputable wins since Matthysse as Rod Salka and Malignaggi. The less said about the match with the undersized Salka the better. Malignaggi has a name but he came in off a bad stoppage loss to Shawn Porter and was far more clearly on the backside of his career.

Guerrero has had his struggles but was he matched with Herrera or Peterson on Saturday night they would be seen as competitive fights. Garcia at this point would be an underdog to Thurman. So why isn’t Garcia-Guerrero seen as being more competitive than it is?

Put another way, what has Garcia shown since the Matthysse fight that would make him a perceived prohibitive favorite over someone like Guerrero? Even before Matthysse, Garcia was the kind of fighter who won without lapping the field. He had to hold off a strong late rally from Zab Judah. An ancient Erik Morales was a handful for most of their first fight. His career says Garcia fights to the level of his opponents and its often close unless his big left gets them out of there.

This is just the kind of fight where narrative often overtakes reality. All other things being equal, if Garcia had lost the Herrera fight, and lost to Peterson (and count this scribe among those who thought he lost both), this fight would look very different.

It would look like a fight between two struggling fighters in need of a big night. Guerrero being 32 to Garcia’s 27 is a factor in the fight and would be under any road to the ring. With slightly different scores for Garcia, this is a fight where no one could afford to lose.

It’s not that fight and Garcia still rides the wave of his biggest night. Garcia won his litmus test fight in Matthysse. Perhaps chagrin at this fight is a manifestation of an anger some fans feel when he isn’t taking on more perceived threats. Fans want to see Garcia tested in big ways, an implicit admission that they think that’s where he belongs.

It creates a no-win situation. If Garcia blows out Guerrero this weekend, it validates many pre-fight feelings. If he doesn’t, if he wins close or even again controversially, it will be a dark mark. It’s what happened with Herrera. Many turned down their nose when that fight was announced despite ample evidence Herrera was a serious foe.

Maybe that’s fair. Boxing fans have a right to want to see winner’s move on to face other winner’s at the highest levels, close wins or not. That doesn’t mean the narratives are always right or even supported by what the eyes have seen.

We’ll find out what the reality is on Saturday night.
 

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so. how'd y'all like the show tonight LOL
It was funny as hell. Lou Dibella and the ME lady were going at it:whew::banderas:


And Curtis Stevens vs James Kirkland would've been a fight I'd loved to see. Nothing but fireworks could be expected if Stevens can finally get some of these guys in the ring
 

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Deontay Wilder vs Charles Martin coming this fall:sas2:





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