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i can't fault ward for facing pavlik...this is a stay busy fight before he either gets froch or kessler again...:laugh: at the euros at the ESB forums being displeased that ward won't fight froch or kessler again and not in their home countries...if anything froch-kessler 2 needs to happen before one of them gets to ward..both of them got asses whooped thoroughly by ward so why not see who's the better man again...after all they did have the best super 6 fight

stiverne-arreola is a filler and its a joke that this is a wbc eliminator..arreola is not going to get by vitali again and stiverne was getting outboxed by ray austin before he caught him..chris should win this by KO if he comes correct
I agree with all this but Stevenson, Dirrell, and Stieglitz were more deserving opponents that could've been chosen, but either way Pavlik is a bigger name, but I wouldn't say he's earned this shot.

I ain't mad though...

hatton may not even be boxing again after next saturday! I feel he will get fukked up..
the guy just came out of rehab and was a mess..
Why do I feel the same way...

u right but u get the point.

liam walsh i thought that was the name of the city but it was his opponents name.
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broner the best new fighter ive seen in a long while
i think he might be da real deal

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He aint fight shyt, Demarco aint shyt.


Is people gonna act like Broner wasn't getting hands laid on him for like a whole round stragiht, Imagine if that was Rios, Mathysse, or Crsipy Garcia on his ass. People call him Mayweathjer Jr but his D is suspect at times, he can't transition from offense to Defense fluidly, it's either one or the other for him, and being that he doesn't have the unusually long Mayweather reach he has to sit in the pocket, in harms way to get his off. I don't see how his style would look against the big boys


Dude is overrated, we'll see, nice win though, paper title in a weak division, Rios, Garcia, Matthysse wont get tired though, and Broner was sure tired throwing them weak ass arm punches from like round 6 to finish
 

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On December 30, 2009, Manny Pacquiao sued Floyd Mayweather Jr., Floyd Sr. (Floyd’s father), Roger Mayweather (Floyd’s uncle and trainer), Mayweather Promotions, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer and Oscar De la Hoya for defamation. Pacquiao’s complaint, filed in the United States District Court of Nevada, alleged that each of the defendants had falsely accused him of using, and continuing to use, illegal performance-enhancing drugs.



Mayweather has gone to great lengths to position himself in the public mind as a “clean” fighter. For his three most recent fights (against Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz and Miguel Cotto), he has mandated that he and his opponent be subjected to what he calls “Olympic-style testing” by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA).







USADA is an independent non-governmental sports drug-testing agency whose services are utilized by the United States Olympic and Paralympic movement. It receives approximately $10,000,000 annually in public funding, more in years when the Olympics are held. USADA was paid a reported $100,000 per fight for the drug-testing services it performed in conjunction with Mayweather’s outings.



Victor Conte is one of the most knowledgeable people in sports with regard to the use of, and testing for, performance-enhancing drugs. In 1984, Conte founded the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO), which was at the heart of several much-publicized PED scandals. In 2005, he pled guilty to charges of illegal steroid distribution and tax fraud and spent four months in prison. After being released from incarceration, Conte moved to the side of the angels and is now a formidable advocate for “clean” sport.



“Mayweather is not doing Olympic-style testing,” Conte states. “I’ve never liked the use of that phrase. ‘Olympic’ means 24-7-365. To be effective, drug testing has to be 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other PEDs carry over for months. That means athletes can develop their strength and speed base early and the benefits of PED use will last after that use has been discontinued. If you wait to start testing until eight to 10 weeks in advance of a fight, which is what Mayweather does, that’s not Olympic-style testing. Who knows what Mayweather or his opponent has been doing during the previous six months?”
 

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On December 30, 2009, Manny Pacquiao sued Floyd Mayweather Jr., Floyd Sr. (Floyd’s father), Roger Mayweather (Floyd’s uncle and trainer), Mayweather Promotions, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer and Oscar De la Hoya for defamation. Pacquiao’s complaint, filed in the United States District Court of Nevada, alleged that each of the defendants had falsely accused him of using, and continuing to use, illegal performance-enhancing drugs.



Mayweather has gone to great lengths to position himself in the public mind as a “clean” fighter. For his three most recent fights (against Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz and Miguel Cotto), he has mandated that he and his opponent be subjected to what he calls “Olympic-style testing” by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA).







USADA is an independent non-governmental sports drug-testing agency whose services are utilized by the United States Olympic and Paralympic movement. It receives approximately $10,000,000 annually in public funding, more in years when the Olympics are held. USADA was paid a reported $100,000 per fight for the drug-testing services it performed in conjunction with Mayweather’s outings.



Victor Conte is one of the most knowledgeable people in sports with regard to the use of, and testing for, performance-enhancing drugs. In 1984, Conte founded the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO), which was at the heart of several much-publicized PED scandals. In 2005, he pled guilty to charges of illegal steroid distribution and tax fraud and spent four months in prison. After being released from incarceration, Conte moved to the side of the angels and is now a formidable advocate for “clean” sport.



“Mayweather is not doing Olympic-style testing,” Conte states. “I’ve never liked the use of that phrase. ‘Olympic’ means 24-7-365. To be effective, drug testing has to be 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other PEDs carry over for months. That means athletes can develop their strength and speed base early and the benefits of PED use will last after that use has been discontinued. If you wait to start testing until eight to 10 weeks in advance of a fight, which is what Mayweather does, that’s not Olympic-style testing. Who knows what Mayweather or his opponent has been doing during the previous six months?

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Tests for a Mayweather fight generally begin around the time of the kick-off press tour heralding Floyd’s annual ring appearance. Floyd and his opponent agree to keep USADA advised as to their whereabouts and submit to an unlimited number of unannounced blood and urine tests. Other details (such as what drugs are being tested for, how samples are analyzed and what happens in the event of a positive test) are murky.



Mayweather and his promoter (Golden Boy Promotions) have gone to great lengths to propagate the notion that they’re in the forefront of PED testing to “clean up” boxing. In return, they’ve reaped a public relations bonanza. But some members of Team Mayweather haven’t been content to simply disseminate a positive message with regard to Floyd’s conduct. They’ve chosen instead to brand Pacquiao (Mayweather’s chief rival) as a PED user.



Floyd Mayweather Sr. declared, “[Pacquiao] can’t beat Clottey without that sh*t in him. He couldn’t beat De la Hoya without that sh*t. He couldn’t beat Ricky Hatton without that sh*t. And he couldn’t beat Cotto without that sh*t. I don’t even think he could beat that kid from Chicago [David Diaz] without that sh*t. He wouldn’t be able to beat any of those guys without enhancement drugs.”



Not to be outdone, Roger Mayweather proclaimed, “This mother**ker don’t want to take the test. That’s why the fight [Mayweather vs. Pacquiao] didn’t happen. He got that sh*t in him. That’s why he didn’t want to take the test.”



References to Pacquiao’s alleged PED use by the other defendants in the defamation action were more subtle. But their message was similar.



The court case moved slowly as litigation often does. Last year, the claims against Schaefer and De la Hoya were dismissed with the consent of Pacquiao’s attorneys after Richard and Oscar apologized and stated that they had never meant to suggest that Manny was using performance-enhancing drugs.



The Mayweathers continued to fight the complaint. Floyd’s conduct in failing to appear for a scheduled deposition on several occasions displeased the court and infuriated Pacquiao’s attorneys. The case looked like it would be a long battle of attrition. Then things changed dramatically.



Under standard sports drug-testing protocols, when blood or urine is taken from an athlete, it’s divided into an “A” and “B” sample. The “A” sample is tested first. If it tests negative, end of story. If the “A” sample tests positive, the athlete then has the right to demand that the “B” sample be tested. If the “B” sample tests negative, the athlete is presumed to be clean. But if the “B” sample also tests positive, the first positive finding is confirmed and the athlete has a problem.



On May 20, 2012, a rumor filtered through the drug-testing community that Mayweather had tested positive on three occasions for an illegal performance-enhancing drug.
More specifically, it was rumored that Mayweather’s “A” sample had tested positive on three occasions and, after each positive test, USADA had found exceptional circumstances in the form of inadvertent use and gave Floyd a waiver. This waiver, according to the rumor, negated the need for a test of Floyd’s “B” sample. And because the “B” sample was never tested, a loophole in USADA’s contract with Mayweather and Golden Boy allowed the testing to proceed without the positive “A” sample results being reported to Mayweather’s opponent or the Nevada State Athletic Commission (which had jurisdiction over the fights).




In late-May, Pacquiao’s attorneys heard the rumor. On June 4, 2012, they served document demands and subpoenas on Mayweather, Mayweather Promotions, Golden Boy and USADA calling for the production of all documents that related to PED testing of Mayweather for the Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz and Miguel Cotto fights.



The documents were not produced. There was a delay in the proceedings while Floyd spent nine weeks in the Clark County Detention Center after pleading guilty to charges of domestic violence and harassment.
Upon his release from jail on August 2nd, settlement talks heated up.



On September 25, 2012, a stipulation of settlement ending the defamation case was filed with the court. The parties agreed that the terms of settlement would be kept confidential. Prior to the agreement being signed, two sources with detailed knowledge of the proceedings told this writer that Mayweather’s initial monetary settlement offer was “substantially more” than Pacquiao’s attorneys had expected it would be and an agreement in principle was reached soon afterward.



As part of the settlement, the Mayweathers and Mayweather Promotions issued a statement that read: “Floyd Mayweather Jr., Floyd Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather and Mayweather Promotions wish to make it clear that they never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs nor are they aware of any evidence that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs. Manny Pacquiao is a great champion and no one should construe any of our prior remarks as claiming that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs.”



I don’t know if Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs or not.



I do know that, if Mayweather’s “A” sample tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug on one or more occasions and he was given a waiver by USADA that concealed this fact from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, his opponent and the public, we have an ingredient that could contribute to the making of a scandal.



Any analysis of PED use and boxing should start with the acknowledgement that chemistry is now part of sports.



We know certain things about the use of illegal, performance-enhancing drugs:
 

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Tests for a Mayweather fight generally begin around the time of the kick-off press tour heralding Floyd’s annual ring appearance. Floyd and his opponent agree to keep USADA advised as to their whereabouts and submit to an unlimited number of unannounced blood and urine tests. Other details (such as what drugs are being tested for, how samples are analyzed and what happens in the event of a positive test) are murky.



Mayweather and his promoter (Golden Boy Promotions) have gone to great lengths to propagate the notion that they’re in the forefront of PED testing to “clean up” boxing. In return, they’ve reaped a public relations bonanza. But some members of Team Mayweather haven’t been content to simply disseminate a positive message with regard to Floyd’s conduct. They’ve chosen instead to brand Pacquiao (Mayweather’s chief rival) as a PED user.



Floyd Mayweather Sr. declared, “[Pacquiao] can’t beat Clottey without that sh*t in him. He couldn’t beat De la Hoya without that sh*t. He couldn’t beat Ricky Hatton without that sh*t. And he couldn’t beat Cotto without that sh*t. I don’t even think he could beat that kid from Chicago [David Diaz] without that sh*t. He wouldn’t be able to beat any of those guys without enhancement drugs.”



Not to be outdone, Roger Mayweather proclaimed, “This mother**ker don’t want to take the test. That’s why the fight [Mayweather vs. Pacquiao] didn’t happen. He got that sh*t in him. That’s why he didn’t want to take the test.”



References to Pacquiao’s alleged PED use by the other defendants in the defamation action were more subtle. But their message was similar.



The court case moved slowly as litigation often does. Last year, the claims against Schaefer and De la Hoya were dismissed with the consent of Pacquiao’s attorneys after Richard and Oscar apologized and stated that they had never meant to suggest that Manny was using performance-enhancing drugs.



The Mayweathers continued to fight the complaint. Floyd’s conduct in failing to appear for a scheduled deposition on several occasions displeased the court and infuriated Pacquiao’s attorneys. The case looked like it would be a long battle of attrition. Then things changed dramatically.



Under standard sports drug-testing protocols, when blood or urine is taken from an athlete, it’s divided into an “A” and “B” sample. The “A” sample is tested first. If it tests negative, end of story. If the “A” sample tests positive, the athlete then has the right to demand that the “B” sample be tested. If the “B” sample tests negative, the athlete is presumed to be clean. But if the “B” sample also tests positive, the first positive finding is confirmed and the athlete has a problem.



On May 20, 2012, a rumor filtered through the drug-testing community that Mayweather had tested positive on three occasions for an illegal performance-enhancing drug.
More specifically, it was rumored that Mayweather’s “A” sample had tested positive on three occasions and, after each positive test, USADA had found exceptional circumstances in the form of inadvertent use and gave Floyd a waiver. This waiver, according to the rumor, negated the need for a test of Floyd’s “B” sample. And because the “B” sample was never tested, a loophole in USADA’s contract with Mayweather and Golden Boy allowed the testing to proceed without the positive “A” sample results being reported to Mayweather’s opponent or the Nevada State Athletic Commission (which had jurisdiction over the fights).



In late-May, Pacquiao’s attorneys heard the rumor. On June 4, 2012, they served document demands and subpoenas on Mayweather, Mayweather Promotions, Golden Boy and USADA calling for the production of all documents that related to PED testing of Mayweather for the Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz and Miguel Cotto fights.



The documents were not produced. There was a delay in the proceedings while Floyd spent nine weeks in the Clark County Detention Center after pleading guilty to charges of domestic violence and harassment. Upon his release from jail on August 2nd, settlement talks heated up.



On September 25, 2012, a stipulation of settlement ending the defamation case was filed with the court. The parties agreed that the terms of settlement would be kept confidential. Prior to the agreement being signed, two sources with detailed knowledge of the proceedings told this writer that Mayweather’s initial monetary settlement offer was “substantially more” than Pacquiao’s attorneys had expected it would be and an agreement in principle was reached soon afterward.



As part of the settlement, the Mayweathers and Mayweather Promotions issued a statement that read: “Floyd Mayweather Jr., Floyd Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather and Mayweather Promotions wish to make it clear that they never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs nor are they aware of any evidence that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs. Manny Pacquiao is a great champion and no one should construe any of our prior remarks as claiming that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs.”



I don’t know if Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs or not.



I do know that, if Mayweather’s “A” sample tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug on one or more occasions and he was given a waiver by USADA that concealed this fact from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, his opponent and the public, we have an ingredient that could contribute to the making of a scandal.



Any analysis of PED use and boxing should start with the acknowledgement that chemistry is now part of sports.



We know certain things about the use of illegal, performance-enhancing drugs
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(1) peds offer more than a shortcut. They take an athlete to a place that he or she might not be able to get to without them. When undertaken in conjunction with proper exercise and training, the use of peds creates a better athlete.



(2) ped use is often difficult to detect.sophisticated users evade detection in the face of rigorous testing. The more money an athlete spends, the less detectible ped use is. Also, in many instances, the testing is erratic, inadequate and even corrupt. Three years ago, victor conte declared, “boxing’s testing program is beyond a joke. It’s worthless. The loopholes are so big that you could drive a mack truck through them. Many of the people who are supposed to be regulating this don’t want to know.” now conte says, “in some respects, things have gotten worse.”



(3) ped use is more prevalent in boxing now than ever before, particularly at the elite level. For many fighters, the prevailing ethic seems to be, “if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying.”fighters are reconfiguring their bodies and, in some instances, look like totally different physical beings. In a clean world, fighters don’t get older, heavier and faster at the same time, but that’s what’s happening in boxing. Improved performances at an advanced age are becoming common. Fighters at age 35 are outperforming what they could do when they were 30. In some instances, fighters are starting to perform at an elite level at an age when they would normally be expected to be on a downward slide.



(4) the use of peds threatens the short term and long term health of the user. It’s illegal and gives an athlete who uses them an unfair competitive advantage. It also endangers fighters who are getting hit in the head harder than before by opponents.



Earlier this year, a handful of high-profile cases became part of boxing’s ped dialogue.



On may 4, 2012, wba/ibf 140-pound champion lamont peterson learned that his “a” and “b” urine samples had tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid. Peterson had been scheduled to defend his titles in a rematch against amir khan. The fight was canceled.



Two weeks later, the “a” and “b” urine samples of wbc 147-pound champion andre berto tested positive for norandrosterone (an anabolic steroid). Berto was slated to defend his belt against victor ortiz. That fight was also canceled.



On june 22nd, it was revealed that, subsequent to antonio tarver’s june 2nd fight in california against lateef kayode, tarver’s pre-fight urine sample had tested positive for the anabolic steroid drostanolone. On fight night, the bout had been declared a draw. The result was changed to “no contest.”



finally, on october 18th, two days before erik morales’s scheduled rematch against danny garcia for the latter’s wba and wbc titles, word leaked to the media that morales had tested positive for clenbuterol. Initially, the public was led to believe by the promotion that only morales’s “a” sample had tested positive and there was a need for his “b” sample to be tested (which couldn’t be done until after the fight). Then it was learned that morales had been tested on two occasions earlier in the month and, each time, both his “a” and “b” samples had tested positive. Despite that revelation, garcia vs. Morales ii was allowed to take place.



In seeking out the truth behind the aforementioned matters, this writer interviewed dozens of participants and observers. Two people of note declined to be interviewed.



Richard schaefer sent a november 1st email that read in part, “we are trying to do something positive and yet it seems that media and others are attacking us. It would be easy for us to do nothing just like all other promoters. But by trying to support the fighters’ desire for additional testing, we are getting criticized.”



beyond that, schaefer chose not to discuss the issues involved. Instead, his email referenced my relationships with dr. Margaret goodman and maxboxing’s own gabriel montoya and stated, “i consider you a friend and really don’t want this margaret goodman, gabriel montoya vs. Golden boy witch hunt to affect our relationship. I have my opinion about margaret and gabriel, and you have yours. I respect your opinion, and i hope you respect mine.”



dr. Goodman was once chief ringside physician for the nevada state athletic commission. She is now president and board chairperson of a drug-testing organization known as vada (voluntary anti-doping agency).the drug tests on lamont peterson and andre berto that came back positive were carried out under the supervision of vada.



Dr. Goodman is a friend. We’ve talked at length over the years about medical issues and boxing. She has been a valuable resource to me in my writing. We’ve also shared thoughts and offered advice to each other on a variety of subjects, both personal and professional.



Gabriel montoya has written a series of significant articles on the use of peds in boxing. Earlier this year, i spoke with schaefer on montoya’s behalf after gabriel was denied access and credentials for certain golden boy events. I also spoke with montoya about his problems with golden boy and what might be done to remedy the situation. Gabriel is a casual acquaintance.



I should add that, although i sometimes disagree with things that richard schaefer has done (just as he sometimes disagrees with what i write), i admire his skills and we’ve maintained a cordial relationship over the years.



Usada ceo travis tygart also declined to be interviewed for this article and instructed that questions be addressed to usada’s media relations manager, annie skinner. On november 2nd, this writer sent a series of preliminary questions to ms. Skinner. There was no response.



At this point, it makes sense to take a closer look at the recent positive drug tests referenced earlier in this article.



In march 2012, lamont peterson and amir khan submitted applications to vada pursuant to which their blood and urine were tested in conjunction with their scheduled may 19th fight. The first samples were taken on march 19th, the only day on which the fighters knew in advance that they would be tested.



On april 12th, vada was advised by the ucla olympic analytical laboratory that peterson’s “a” sample had tested positive consistent with the administration of an anabolic steroid. On april 13th, the peterson camp was notified of that fact by fedex and email. In keeping with vada’s protocols, peterson was given one week to challenge the “a” test result and ask for his “b” sample to be tested with one of his representatives present.
 

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(1) peds offer more than a shortcut. They take an athlete to a place that he or she might not be able to get to without them. When undertaken in conjunction with proper exercise and training, the use of peds creates a better athlete.



(2) ped use is often difficult to detect.sophisticated users evade detection in the face of rigorous testing. The more money an athlete spends, the less detectible ped use is. Also, in many instances, the testing is erratic, inadequate and even corrupt. Three years ago, victor conte declared, “boxing’s testing program is beyond a joke. It’s worthless. The loopholes are so big that you could drive a mack truck through them. Many of the people who are supposed to be regulating this don’t want to know.” now conte says, “in some respects, things have gotten worse.”



(3) ped use is more prevalent in boxing now than ever before, particularly at the elite level. For many fighters, the prevailing ethic seems to be, “if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying.”fighters are reconfiguring their bodies and, in some instances, look like totally different physical beings. In a clean world, fighters don’t get older, heavier and faster at the same time, but that’s what’s happening in boxing. Improved performances at an advanced age are becoming common. Fighters at age 35 are outperforming what they could do when they were 30. In some instances, fighters are starting to perform at an elite level at an age when they would normally be expected to be on a downward slide.



(4) the use of peds threatens the short term and long term health of the user. It’s illegal and gives an athlete who uses them an unfair competitive advantage. It also endangers fighters who are getting hit in the head harder than before by opponents.



Earlier this year, a handful of high-profile cases became part of boxing’s ped dialogue.



On may 4, 2012, wba/ibf 140-pound champion lamont peterson learned that his “a” and “b” urine samples had tested positive for the presence of an anabolic steroid. Peterson had been scheduled to defend his titles in a rematch against amir khan. The fight was canceled.



Two weeks later, the “a” and “b” urine samples of wbc 147-pound champion andre berto tested positive for norandrosterone (an anabolic steroid). Berto was slated to defend his belt against victor ortiz. That fight was also canceled.



On june 22nd, it was revealed that, subsequent to antonio tarver’s june 2nd fight in california against lateef kayode, tarver’s pre-fight urine sample had tested positive for the anabolic steroid drostanolone. On fight night, the bout had been declared a draw. The result was changed to “no contest.”



finally, on october 18th, two days before erik morales’s scheduled rematch against danny garcia for the latter’s wba and wbc titles, word leaked to the media that morales had tested positive for clenbuterol. Initially, the public was led to believe by the promotion that only morales’s “a” sample had tested positive and there was a need for his “b” sample to be tested (which couldn’t be done until after the fight). Then it was learned that morales had been tested on two occasions earlier in the month and, each time, both his “a” and “b” samples had tested positive. Despite that revelation, garcia vs. Morales ii was allowed to take place.



In seeking out the truth behind the aforementioned matters, this writer interviewed dozens of participants and observers. Two people of note declined to be interviewed.



Richard schaefer sent a november 1st email that read in part, “we are trying to do something positive and yet it seems that media and others are attacking us. It would be easy for us to do nothing just like all other promoters. But by trying to support the fighters’ desire for additional testing, we are getting criticized.”



beyond that, schaefer chose not to discuss the issues involved. Instead, his email referenced my relationships with dr. Margaret goodman and maxboxing’s own gabriel montoya and stated, “i consider you a friend and really don’t want this margaret goodman, gabriel montoya vs. Golden boy witch hunt to affect our relationship. I have my opinion about margaret and gabriel, and you have yours. I respect your opinion, and i hope you respect mine.”



dr. Goodman was once chief ringside physician for the nevada state athletic commission. She is now president and board chairperson of a drug-testing organization known as vada (voluntary anti-doping agency).the drug tests on lamont peterson and andre berto that came back positive were carried out under the supervision of vada.



Dr. Goodman is a friend. We’ve talked at length over the years about medical issues and boxing. She has been a valuable resource to me in my writing. We’ve also shared thoughts and offered advice to each other on a variety of subjects, both personal and professional.



Gabriel montoya has written a series of significant articles on the use of peds in boxing. Earlier this year, i spoke with schaefer on montoya’s behalf after gabriel was denied access and credentials for certain golden boy events. I also spoke with montoya about his problems with golden boy and what might be done to remedy the situation. Gabriel is a casual acquaintance.



I should add that, although i sometimes disagree with things that richard schaefer has done (just as he sometimes disagrees with what i write), i admire his skills and we’ve maintained a cordial relationship over the years.



Usada ceo travis tygart also declined to be interviewed for this article and instructed that questions be addressed to usada’s media relations manager, annie skinner. On november 2nd, this writer sent a series of preliminary questions to ms. Skinner. There was no response.



At this point, it makes sense to take a closer look at the recent positive drug tests referenced earlier in this article.



In march 2012, lamont peterson and amir khan submitted applications to vada pursuant to which their blood and urine were tested in conjunction with their scheduled may 19th fight. The first samples were taken on march 19th, the only day on which the fighters knew in advance that they would be tested.



On april 12th, vada was advised by the ucla olympic analytical laboratory that peterson’s “a” sample had tested positive consistent with the administration of an anabolic steroid. On april 13th, the peterson camp was notified of that fact by fedex and email. In keeping with vada’s protocols, peterson was given one week to challenge the “a” test result and ask for his “b” sample to be tested with one of his representatives present.
You do the main source of your BS article's that you conviently left out your post wrote these things about Maywather in the past

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The Peterson team waited eight days (until April 21st) to respond. Then it chose to challenge the positive test result, asserted its right to be present when the “B” sample was tested, and asked that the “B” sample be tested on Friday, April 27th. The UCLA laboratory advised VADA that Friday was an inappropriate day to begin testing because four consecutive days were needed to complete the test.

The testing of Peterson’s “B” sample began on Monday, April 30th. On May 3rd, VADA was advised by the laboratory that this sample had also tested positive. The Peterson camp was so notified by FedEx and email on May 4th. That same day, VADA also sent a letter by FedEx and fax to Keith Kizer (Executive Director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission) stating the facts of the matter.

The Peterson-Khan rematch was canceled.

Richard Schaefer was livid at the way in which drug testing for Peterson-Khan II unfolded. Golden Boy was to have promoted the fight, and he felt that VADA should have notified him as soon as Peterson’s “A” sample tested positive.

Margaret Goodman says that, after Peterson’s “A” sample tested positive, she asked Lamont’s attorney (Jeff Fried) whether there was an agreement between Peterson and Golden Boy that authorized VADA to release the “A” test results to the promoter. Fried told her that no such authorization existed.

Ryan Connolly is counsel for VADA. In the late 1990s, he was the business manager for the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory. He’s now an attorney in private practice with an expertise in PED testing in the context of competitive sports. In that role, he oversaw the process outlined in a May 10th document titled “Statement of VADA.”

“When VADA became involved with the Peterson-Khan fight,” that statement reads, “the individual athletes signed up for the VADA program and executed the proper documentation. VADA was told that GBP [Golden Boy Promotions] also wanted a contract so that GBP would be authorized to receive the testing results, including the preliminary results from an ‘A’ sample analysis. In order for VADA to release the preliminary ‘A’ sample results to a third party such as GBP, VADA requires an executed authorization allowing us to do so. VADA sent GBP a draft contract for its signature which would have authorized the preliminary ‘A’ sample results to be released to GBP. This initial draft, which was never signed, contained a clause pursuant to which GBP would have represented that it had obtained the necessary authorization from the fighters. GBP’s legal team rejected this clause and instead suggested making the fighters signatories to the contract with their signatures being the necessary authorization. VADA’s counsel made it clear to GBP that, if GBP wanted to handle it this way, GBP must take responsibility for obtaining the athlete’s signatures. Unfortunately, GBP never obtained the signatures.The bottom line is that VADA had no contract with GBP. This is not a mere technicality. It involves issues of medical ethics. VADA needed a signed contract in order to deviate from its Results Management Policy (posted on our website) and release the preliminary and personal medical information to a third party.VADA would have been happy to inform GBP of the preliminary ‘A’ results. But we needed a signed authorization allowing us to do so, which we never received. VADA has complied in every way with all signed contracts that we had and will continue to do so.”

Dr. Goodman elaborates on that theme, saying, “As per our contracts and protocols, VADA gives certain test results to the athletic commission in any jurisdiction where the fighter holds a license or a request for a license is pending. We also release certain results to FightFax, the Association of Boxing Commissions, and whomever else the athlete asks us to release them to. We’d be happy to release any and all results to a fighter’s promoter, but we need an authorization from the fighter to do so. That‘s the law and those are the terms in the Results Management Policy posted on the VADA website.”

As a postscript, the Peterson camp later claimed that Lamont had tested positive because of the surgical implantation of “testosterone pellets” to correct a testosterone deficiency known as hypogonadism.

That led Ryan Connolly to observe that more than a few elite athletes suffer from hypogonadism and note, “This may seem odd since these athletes are physical specimens. How can they be so muscular and fit but have natural testosterone production deficiencies at a higher rate than ordinary people? The dirty little secret is not necessarily that these athletes are lying about their hypogonadism. The dirty little secret is the likely cause of the hypogonadism in the first place - past anabolic steroid abuse.”

Meanwhile, even before the Peterson controversy subsided, a new controversy was brewing. Andre Berto and Victor Ortiz had submitted applications for VADA testing in advance of their scheduled June 23, 2012 fight. On May 11th, Dr. Goodman was advised by the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory that an “A” sample urine specimen taken from Berto had tested positive for norandrosterone (an anabolic steroid) at a level above the permitted amount.
 

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I agree with all this but Stevenson, Dirrell, and Stieglitz were more deserving opponents that could've been chosen, but either way Pavlik is a bigger name, but I wouldn't say he's earned this shot.
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dirrell hasn't fought in almost a year and stieglitz just came off losing his piece of the 168 championship to abraham..stevenson ill give you and hopefully ward faces him in 2013
 

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He aint fight shyt, Demarco aint shyt.


Is people gonna act like Broner wasn't getting hands laid on him for like a whole round stragiht, Imagine if that was Rios, Mathysse, or Crsipy Garcia on his ass. People call him Mayweathjer Jr but his D is suspect at times, he can't transition from offense to Defense fluidly, it's either one or the other for him, and being that he doesn't have the unusually long Mayweather reach he has to sit in the pocket, in harms way to get his off. I don't see how his style would look against the big boys


Dude is overrated, we'll see, nice win though, paper title in a weak division, Rios, Garcia, Matthysse wont get tired though, and Broner was sure tired throwing them weak ass arm punches from like round 6 to finish

its boxing bro
ppl get hit
he lost dat one round, made adjusts and whopped his ass
i dont think hes overrated
havent heard anyone say any outlandish things about him
but i do no a few ppl had him losing dis fight and he won with shocking ease

his defense is pretty damn good from what im seeing
i havent seen all of his fights tho.
but he looks pretty damn impressive and like mayweather, knows how to make adjustments mid fight

all in all, i wouldnt bet money against dat guy
 

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I need help figuring out the name a certain stance and example of a pro who uses it.

The gaurd has both hands directly in front of you with the knuckles facing your opponent.

The lead hand is out front eye level

Dominant hand is behind protecting your jaw.

I cant find a real picture of the guard so here is a terrible photo giving you some idea of what it looks like.


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Thanks for the help.
 

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On May 12th, following VADA protocols, Goodman notified the Berto camp. Berto was advised by FedEx. Tony Morgan (Berto’s trainer, who had been listed on notice forms as a designated recipient of information) was advised of the finding by email, as was Al Haymon (Berto’s manager).

Dr. Goodman’s email to each recipient read in part, “VADA urges you to immediately notify Golden Boy Promotions [the lead promoter on the fight], DiBella Entertainment [Berto’s promoter], and the California State Athletic Commission of this positive “A” sample finding by forwarding each party a copy of this notification so that it is received by each party as quickly as possible but no later than 3:00 p.m. on Monday, May 14th. Please confirm to VADA in writing that you have forwarded a copy to each party by that time.”

The requested confirmation was not forthcoming. Instead, on May 14th, Dr. Goodman received a letter from Howard Jacobs (an attorney retained by Berto), who warned that telling anyone other than Berto’s representatives about the “A” sample positive could result in “civil liability on the part of VADA.”

On May 15th, Goodman sent an email to Al Haymon that read, “Dear Al, as you are aware, Mr. Berto has asserted a medical privilege insofar as VADA is concerned. I would think that you will be held personally accountable by Golden Boy Promotions and DiBella Entertainment for your failure to notify them of this issue in a timely manner. Please advise us with regard to whether or not you have notified GBP and DBE. Thank you, Margaret Goodman.”

There was no response.

That same day, Ryan Connolly sent an email to Howard Jacobs urging similar notification.

On May 18th, Dr. Goodman was advised by the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory that Berto’s “B” sample urine specimen had tested positive. VADA then notified Berto, his designated representatives, and the California State Athletic Commission.

Haymon, in turn, notified Richard Schaefer. Lou DiBella says that, despite the fact he was Berto’s promoter, neither Schaefer nor Haymon advised him that Andre’s “A” and “B” samples had tested positive until plans were underway to replace Berto as an opponent for Victor Ortiz with Josesito Lopez (another Haymon fighter, who is promoted by Golden Boy).

“How do you think that makes me feel?” DiBella asked rhetorically. “I raised the issue with Al afterward, and he didn’t say anything. That told me all I needed to know.”

Haymon, like Richard Schaefer and Travis Tygart, declined to be interviewed for this article.

Berto later told RingTvOnline, “To all of my fans who have been supportive, you know, everybody who knows me, they know that everything that I’ve always accomplished has just been through hard work. And when it comes to the positive test, that was just a situation that was unfortunate. It was a situation that didn’t get properly explained to the public on what it was and what caused it. I believe that’s what really made an uproar about everything. You know, like I’ve said, I’ve never been a cheater. Never have and never will. I’ve never injected anything in any type of situation at all. So when it comes up as a positive test, it didn’t have anything to do with any type of drug enhancement or any type of testosterone or EPO or none of that type of stuff that a lot of guys probably use. It was, after we got the positive test, we just needed to know what it was because we knew that everything that we were doing was straightforward. After they put the news out, that’s when we found out exactly what it was. Then I had to go through all of the right processes and the hiring of the lawyers and things like that. So it was basically just taking my sample test and just really proving the fact that it was a contamination of something. I couldn’t believe it happened the way it did with no explanation for it to the press or the public. The way it was put out there without explaining exactly what it was and how much upset me. Nothing was really explained to the public.”

There’s a bit of hypocrisy there. Berto expressed unhappiness that news of his positive tests “was put out there without explaining exactly what it was…to the public.” But as previously noted, his own lawyer had made it clear to VADA that the dissemination of information to third parties should be kept to a minimum under threat of civil liability on the part of VADA.

Given Golden Boy’s professed commitment to making boxing a clean sport, Richard Schaefer might have been expected to commend VADA for its findings with regard to Peterson and Berto. Instead, he seemed intent on attacking Dr. Goodman and VADA.
 
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