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GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Dan Rafael chat wrap 10/23:
- Porter-Thurman likely on Dec. 12. Thurman will be the favorite.
- GGG should have had a point taken away for the late hit while Lemieux took a knee.
- Thought the stoppage was fine, although Lemieux complained. Lemieux is too proud to quit.
- Doesn't think there is anyone at 154 or 160 who can beat GGG. He would be a big favorite in any matchup.
- Most compelling fight for GGG is the winner of Canelo-Cotto.
- The 155 lb weight limit Canelo is talking about is just posturing. Nothing to take seriously at this point. As a mandatory fight you cannot force a catch weight and if you can't agree on weight the fight just goes to purse bid, which would be at 160.
- Canelo or Cotto would get the bigger portion of the purse vs. GGG, but definitely not more than 70%.
- The GGG PPV did 150k buys (which is what the PPV was based on for their cost basis), sold TV rights to 120 countries, $2 million dollar (sold out) gate, and had a lot of sponsors. The PPV as a business was fine. It wasn't great, but it also wasn't a disaster.
- The 97k PPV numbers were lies put out there by idiots.
- The merchandise money goes to the promoters, not the venue.
- Gives credit to HBO and K2 for releasing the PPV numbers when they were just OK. Most times PPV numbers are not released unless they are really good.
- The Floyd and GGG PPV's cannot be compared on just the buy numbers. You have to look at the economics behind the fight. He criticized Floyd's PPV fight because it had 400k buys, but had a $36 million guaranteed main bout purse.
- The mediocre GGG-Lemieux PPV numbers could make the Canelo-Cotto promoters a bit nervous. They have huge financial guarantees for that fight.
- The atmosphere at MSG was really good. Surprised at how much support Chocolatito had.
- A fan wrote in that he would like to see GGG fight N'Dam just to see how many times he could get knocked down.
- Darnell Boone reportedly said in an interview that GGG hit harder in 16 oz sparring gloves than Kovalev does in 10 oz gloves.
- Could GGG break Hopkins defense record (20) at MW? Possibly, but it isn't a slam dunk.
- Not interested in Lara vs. GGG. Only a few very vocal fans care about this matchup. Also, the PBC-HBO divide would be difficult to conquer. Thinks GGG wins easily.
- Top 5 Haymon fighters ranked via PFP? No order: Thurman, Garcia, Khan, Porter, GRJ, and the Charlo brothers.
- Provodnikov's next fight doesn't have a home on U.S. TV yet, but it could be on Showtime International or beIN Sports.
- Frankie Gomez is a disgrace. He keeps missing weight. He needs to either retire or take a fight in a weight class where he will actually make the weight.
- Antonio Tarver lost a lot of credibility for flunking a second drug test. He probably should lose his announcing job. Believes it tarnishes his victories over RJJ. Does not count RJJ failed drug test the same because he took a legal over the counter supplement.
- Believes he has seen Michael J. Fox at other boxing events and he is a pretty big fan.
- Verdejo could be a potential future PPV fighter.
- Of course there is concern over Verdejo's hand. You hope that rest and rehab is all he needs.
- HBO is doing a documentary on Bob Arum. It should finish in November and be available early 2016.
- Picking Crawford, but Jean will give a really good effort.
- Kovalev vs. Pascal likely to take place in Montreal.
- Glad to see Steve Cunningham go back to CW as he was a very small HW. You could argue Cunningham deserved to be 7-1 at HW.
- Donald Curry for HOF? No.
- Lamont Roach is a good prospect to watch. He has fast hands.
- The crowd at Lamont Peterson's fight was often confused and didn't know what round it was. There was no monitors/scoreboards or announcements. That is why you need ring card girls.
- Was shocked Peterson was allowed to keep his beard for the fight and shocked Diaz's team didn't protest. The Virginia boxing commission is a disgrace (not just for that).
- Kayode does not deserve a shot at Lebedev's title.
- Ward will be on the Canelo-Cotto undercard, it is a work in progress to get it finalized.
- Thought the Floyd picture with all his belts was because Floyd likes the spotlight and since he has retired he is not getting very much attention.
- Has Teddy Atlas trained anyone outside of Moorer that he helped be successful? His short run with Povetkin was good.
- Ahmed Eliali is a fun fighter to watch and seems heavy handed.
- The reason why many people have Chocolatito has the #1 PFP fighter is because his combinations are amazing (and he is really good).
- Would love a Chocolatito vs. Inoue fight, but thinks a rematch vs. Estrada needs to happen first.
- Ortiz vs. Jennings? Ortiz.
- Winky Wright for the HOF? Yes.
- If Gilberto Ramirez wins his next fight he becomes the mandatory for Arthur Abraham.
- PBC won't comment on any of their fighter's injuries.
- Shiming is still with TR and is recovering from a shoulder injury.
- Evander Holyfied was always a pleasure to deal with and interview.
- Arum says there is absolutely no truth to ODH's comments about a Pacquiao vs. Matthysse fight.
- Postol vs. Algieri an interesting fight? Not really. Postol would win and use his jab very effectively.
- Paulie Malignaggi has no chance of making the HOF as a fighter, but he possibly could as an announcer.
- Porter-Thurman likely on Dec. 12. Thurman will be the favorite.
- GGG should have had a point taken away for the late hit while Lemieux took a knee.
- Thought the stoppage was fine, although Lemieux complained. Lemieux is too proud to quit.
- Doesn't think there is anyone at 154 or 160 who can beat GGG. He would be a big favorite in any matchup.
- Most compelling fight for GGG is the winner of Canelo-Cotto.
- The 155 lb weight limit Canelo is talking about is just posturing. Nothing to take seriously at this point. As a mandatory fight you cannot force a catch weight and if you can't agree on weight the fight just goes to purse bid, which would be at 160.
- Canelo or Cotto would get the bigger portion of the purse vs. GGG, but definitely not more than 70%.
- The GGG PPV did 150k buys (which is what the PPV was based on for their cost basis), sold TV rights to 120 countries, $2 million dollar (sold out) gate, and had a lot of sponsors. The PPV as a business was fine. It wasn't great, but it also wasn't a disaster.
- The 97k PPV numbers were lies put out there by idiots.
- The merchandise money goes to the promoters, not the venue.
- Gives credit to HBO and K2 for releasing the PPV numbers when they were just OK. Most times PPV numbers are not released unless they are really good.
- The Floyd and GGG PPV's cannot be compared on just the buy numbers. You have to look at the economics behind the fight. He criticized Floyd's PPV fight because it had 400k buys, but had a $36 million guaranteed main bout purse.
- The mediocre GGG-Lemieux PPV numbers could make the Canelo-Cotto promoters a bit nervous. They have huge financial guarantees for that fight.
- The atmosphere at MSG was really good. Surprised at how much support Chocolatito had.
- A fan wrote in that he would like to see GGG fight N'Dam just to see how many times he could get knocked down.
- Darnell Boone reportedly said in an interview that GGG hit harder in 16 oz sparring gloves than Kovalev does in 10 oz gloves.
- Could GGG break Hopkins defense record (20) at MW? Possibly, but it isn't a slam dunk.
- Not interested in Lara vs. GGG. Only a few very vocal fans care about this matchup. Also, the PBC-HBO divide would be difficult to conquer. Thinks GGG wins easily.
- Top 5 Haymon fighters ranked via PFP? No order: Thurman, Garcia, Khan, Porter, GRJ, and the Charlo brothers.
- Provodnikov's next fight doesn't have a home on U.S. TV yet, but it could be on Showtime International or beIN Sports.
- Frankie Gomez is a disgrace. He keeps missing weight. He needs to either retire or take a fight in a weight class where he will actually make the weight.
- Antonio Tarver lost a lot of credibility for flunking a second drug test. He probably should lose his announcing job. Believes it tarnishes his victories over RJJ. Does not count RJJ failed drug test the same because he took a legal over the counter supplement.
- Believes he has seen Michael J. Fox at other boxing events and he is a pretty big fan.
- Verdejo could be a potential future PPV fighter.
- Of course there is concern over Verdejo's hand. You hope that rest and rehab is all he needs.
- HBO is doing a documentary on Bob Arum. It should finish in November and be available early 2016.
- Picking Crawford, but Jean will give a really good effort.
- Kovalev vs. Pascal likely to take place in Montreal.
- Glad to see Steve Cunningham go back to CW as he was a very small HW. You could argue Cunningham deserved to be 7-1 at HW.
- Donald Curry for HOF? No.
- Lamont Roach is a good prospect to watch. He has fast hands.
- The crowd at Lamont Peterson's fight was often confused and didn't know what round it was. There was no monitors/scoreboards or announcements. That is why you need ring card girls.
- Was shocked Peterson was allowed to keep his beard for the fight and shocked Diaz's team didn't protest. The Virginia boxing commission is a disgrace (not just for that).
- Kayode does not deserve a shot at Lebedev's title.
- Ward will be on the Canelo-Cotto undercard, it is a work in progress to get it finalized.
- Thought the Floyd picture with all his belts was because Floyd likes the spotlight and since he has retired he is not getting very much attention.
- Has Teddy Atlas trained anyone outside of Moorer that he helped be successful? His short run with Povetkin was good.
- Ahmed Eliali is a fun fighter to watch and seems heavy handed.
- The reason why many people have Chocolatito has the #1 PFP fighter is because his combinations are amazing (and he is really good).
- Would love a Chocolatito vs. Inoue fight, but thinks a rematch vs. Estrada needs to happen first.
- Ortiz vs. Jennings? Ortiz.
- Winky Wright for the HOF? Yes.
- If Gilberto Ramirez wins his next fight he becomes the mandatory for Arthur Abraham.
- PBC won't comment on any of their fighter's injuries.
- Shiming is still with TR and is recovering from a shoulder injury.
- Evander Holyfied was always a pleasure to deal with and interview.
- Arum says there is absolutely no truth to ODH's comments about a Pacquiao vs. Matthysse fight.
- Postol vs. Algieri an interesting fight? Not really. Postol would win and use his jab very effectively.
- Paulie Malignaggi has no chance of making the HOF as a fighter, but he possibly could as an announcer.
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Axum Ezana
Driving in the fast lane
woods mad as hell with yall...wrote an essay full of nothing .
Black_Jesus
Superstar
I know what we're discussing..Did you even read what I wrote about Rios
I said Rios only had 2 fights above 135 before fighting Pac at 147...but it was OK since Rios is a fatass
Who cares if Algieri accepted the catch weight thats not what's being discussed
Canelo accepted Floyd's Catchweight...JMM accepted Floyd's fukkery...that changes nothing
Algieri never fought at 147 and was not struggling to make 140..there being a 143-4 catchweight was completely a non-issue
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
woods mad as hell with yall...wrote an essay full of nothing .
I just did Dan's chat and he said bluntly that the 97k numbers were an absolute lie and were made up out of thin air. The real number is around 150k.
He did say that it wasn't a success, it was just okay.
Everyone is stuck on the 200k number...however in the chats weeks ago, it was said that ODH and Loeffler said 150k was the number the costs were based on. The 200k number was their goal of what they were expecting it to do.
Sounds like at 150k with the other revenue streams the PPV was a break even, or just slightly profitable.
Again this is all from Dan Rafael.
Michael Woods is confirming it.
as it should be
impressive
I have no interest in this shyt either
Tarver 
Felix is only one brutal war with a solid/iron chinned fighter away from being like Omar Figueroa
The problem is he's old
..dude was declining at CW before moving up to HWif it wasnt for that beard...im positive Diaz would have gotten him a couple KDs..shyt was a cushion and diaz was hitting that nikka man... @LauderdaleBoss you watch this fight yet?
In the era where fighters dont want to be great, its nice when one of boxing greatest overachievers on top of being an ATG gets mentioned
Real DealBasics
Stinky Diver
attitude as bad as his odor
-The mediocre GGG-Lemieux PPV numbers could make the Canelo-Cotto promoters a bit nervous. They have huge financial guarantees for that fight.
....WHAT?! Fat Dan talking that bullshyt again.
....WHAT?! Fat Dan talking that bullshyt again.
Stinky Diver
attitude as bad as his odor
I just did Dan's chat and he said bluntly that the 97k numbers were an absolute lie and were made up out of thin air. The real number is around 150k.
He did say that it wasn't a success, it was just okay.
Everyone is stuck on the 200k number...however in the chats weeks ago, it was said that ODH and Loeffler said 150k was the number the costs were based on. The 200k number was their goal of what they were expecting it to do.
Sounds like at 150k with the other revenue streams the PPV was a break even, or just slightly profitable.
Again this is all from Dan Rafael.
Michael Woods is confirming it.
With that being said, it doesn't sound a bit convenient to you that 150K is THE NUMBER then?
Axum Ezana
Driving in the fast lane
I just did Dan's chat and he said bluntly that the 97k numbers were an absolute lie and were made up out of thin air. The real number is around 150k.
He did say that it wasn't a success, it was just okay.
Everyone is stuck on the 200k number...however in the chats weeks ago, it was said that ODH and Loeffler said 150k was the number the costs were based on. The 200k number was their goal of what they were expecting it to do.
Sounds like at 150k with the other revenue streams the PPV was a break even, or just slightly profitable.
Again this is all from Dan Rafael.
Michael Woods is confirming it.
he should have said it then instead of saying that for it to be a sucess it needed to do over 200k buys.
he mislead me personally with those comments.
and breaking even is a failure in my eyes...just means u waisted time n pain with no gain and at the end of the day.
krackdagawd
Inspire.
I just did Dan's chat and he said bluntly that the 97k numbers were an absolute lie and were made up out of thin air. The real number is around 150k.
He did say that it wasn't a success, it was just okay.
Everyone is stuck on the 200k number...however in the chats weeks ago, it was said that ODH and Loeffler said 150k was the number the costs were based on. The 200k number was their goal of what they were expecting it to do.
Sounds like at 150k with the other revenue streams the PPV was a break even, or just slightly profitable.
Again this is all from Dan Rafael.
Michael Woods is confirming it.
Fat Dan with the
for 97g 
krackdagawd
Inspire.
Exactly. They giving the #s that Arum spin.
Everyone else reports a low # but Arum always says it's exactly what they expected.
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
I could see that. I have no knowledge whatsoever about the numbers, just going off media reports. Dan Rafael and Michael Woods have said the 97k number is completely false. The guy who said 97k (Rick Glaser) isn't beyond sketchy reporting himself.
I get it. And I agree, breaking even isn't a success. You are in business to make money. I think even if the legit number is 150k and it is a break even, they aren't beyond criticism because I think the expectation should be to do more than break even. It proved that PPV's aren't easy to sell and if you think your name is big enough to sell a PPV, you probably aren't.he should have said it then instead of saying that for it to be a sucess it needed to do over 200k buys.
he mislead me personally with those comments.
and breaking even is a failure in my eyes...just means u waisted time n pain with no gain and at the end of the day.
Yeah it was at the very beginning of the PPV announcement that Dan reported ODH and Loeffler said 150k is basically the break even line. 200k+ was what they would consider a success.
I 100% agree that they could have built up a Lemieux fight more and the unification strategy. But...I have mentioned Tureano Johnson being a good "stay busy" fight for GGG and cats here were all over me saying Johnson was another garbage opponent.
Now Tureano is GGG's mandatory and Eubank Jr. is calling him out. Lee said he would fight him and Saunders said not so fast, I'll fight GGG when I beat Lee.
Those are all good fights I think are worthwhile if Canelo/Cotto can't be made.
seemorecizzy
Superstar
so do iI wanna see GGG vs Lara
its a good fight
then canelo vs ggg in may
don't see what the problem is
dan rafael stannery for GGG is reaching lampley pacquaio levels
he hates on everything and everyone that looks at GGG as nothing less than a god