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[Axum Ezana]

Floyd just allowed him to receive the biggest amount of money he ever will receive in his life at one time.

At the very least, he can shut up talking about "[They] probably [did take a loss]," Berto said. "I mean of course [they took a loss], because they have to pay [Mayweather] so much money." when HE was the main reason nobody wanted to see the fight & also "I was just really surprised, because I thought there would be more action. I thought it was going to be more." especially when you were in the ring as well and you missed 83% of the punches you threw while Floyd landed 57% of his punches on your face/body while also being the only landing any good shots....including rocking you in the corner with an uppercut.

Just sounds crazy to me breh

hes jealous imo.

he was supposed to be haymon prototypical fighter and floyd came over n took over.

just a theory .

 

[Axum Ezana]

Nah, you right. He sounds like a nikka looking for a moral victory. Floyd stood in the pocket and Berto still couldnt hit him. Made no attempts to go to the body and kept blocking punches with his face. But at the same time, I don't excpect Berto to humble himself especially for a nikka that he doesn't like. I've always had the feeling that Thurman, Porter, and Berto just didn't like Floyd much while everyone else on PBC idolizes him.


And I wonder if there is some validity to what he said about Showtime's pockets. I've always been critical of them becuz they were tryna sell Floyd fights that jsut weren't worth tryna sell. Canelo and Manny sold themselves. And I always thought the second Chino fight owuld do something but it really didn't.

yes but nelo/manny never came close to those numbers by themselves.

nelo has a chance to prove his ppv status with cotto n ggg maybe.

 

[TheNig]

hes jealous imo.

he was supposed to be haymon prototypical fighter and floyd came over n took over.

just a theory .

It aint far fetched. But heads knew Berto wasn't about that life when he "lost" to Collazo.

I hold that fight on such a pedestal becuz it really opened my eyes on him.

 

[TheNig]

yes but nelo/manny never came close to those numbers by themselves.

nelo has a chance to prove his ppv status with cotto n ggg maybe.

And Floyd didn't either bruh. There's a huge misconception that Floyd is this great PPV draw. He is, but he needs someone on the other side worth a damn to sell the fight. Manny was worth a damn. Canelo was worth a damn. Hatton had England behind him. And people lined up to watch Oscar not Floyd when they fought.

 

[seemorecizzy]

And Floyd didn't either bruh. There's a huge misconception that Floyd is this great PPV draw. He is, but he needs someone on the other side worth a damn to sell the fight. Manny was worth a damn. Canelo was worth a damn. Hatton had England behind him. And people lined up to watch Oscar not Floyd when they fought.

thats with any popular boxer bro
the better the opponent, the more theyll tune in

floyd broke records fighting ortiz and mosley for gods sake
floyd is the greatest boxing ppv draw ever (not to be confused with the most popular fighter ever)

 

[Axum Ezana]

And Floyd didn't either bruh. There's a huge misconception that Floyd is this great PPV draw. He is, but he needs someone on the other side worth a damn to sell the fight. Manny was worth a damn. Canelo was worth a damn. Hatton had England behind him. And people lined up to watch Oscar not Floyd when they fought.

true....so floyd gets more credit for nelo. fair?

nelo has not did shyt without floyd. he can prove his worth with cotto. if that does not do over 1mill ppv..ima laugh my ass off.

manny was 50/50 imo(in terms of popularity )......

 

[seemorecizzy]

Nah, you right. He sounds like a nikka looking for a moral victory. Floyd stood in the pocket and Berto still couldnt hit him. Made no attempts to go to the body and kept blocking punches with his face. But at the same time, I don't excpect Berto to humble himself especially for a nikka that he doesn't like. I've always had the feeling that Thurman, Porter, and Berto just didn't like Floyd much while everyone else on PBC idolizes him.


And I wonder if there is some validity to what he said about Showtime's pockets. I've always been critical of them becuz they were tryna sell Floyd fights that jsut weren't worth tryna sell. Canelo and Manny sold themselves. And I always thought the second Chino fight owuld do something but it really didn't.

showtime did a very good job with the canelo fight
ill give them that
floyd vs pac defintely sold itself

 

[Axum Ezana]

@patscorpio u happy now?

Yoan Pablo Hernandez stripped of IBF title, Ramirez now champion


#8 IBF contender Tony Bellew (25-2-1, 16 KOs) just saw his pathway to a world title shot in December cleared with the news that IBF cruiserweight champion Yoan Pablo Hernandez (29-1, 14 KOs) has been officially stripped of his IBF by the International Boxing Federation title for failing to defend the title for the past 13 months.

Hernandez has had injury problems that has kept him from defending his IBF title. It was reportedly last week that the IBF was making the move to strip the 30-year-old Hernandez of his title, and now it is official, according to fightnews.com.



IBF interim cruiserweight champion Victor Ramirez (22-2, 17 KOs) has been promoted to the IBF cruiserweight champion, making the second time that the 31-year-old Ramirez has held titles at cruiserweight. He was briefly the WBO cruiserweight back in 2009, but he was quickly beaten by Marco Huck in the same year to lose the strap.

Hernandez was previously scheduled to Ramirez on October 2nd, but injury problems kept Hernandez from making that date. He attempted to reschedule the fight for a later date. Unfortunately for Hernandez, the IBF stepped in and stripped him of his IBF title rather than letting him reschedule for a second time.

Hernandez had held the IBF title for four years since his win over Steve Cunningham in 2011. Hernandez was able to defend his IBF title four times in four years in defeating Cunningham, Troy Ross, Alexander Alekseev and Firat Arslan.

During his time as the IBF champion, Hernandez never had to take on the really tough cruiserweight contenders such as Rakhim Chakhkiev, Dmitry Kudryashov, Olesandr Usyk, Ilunga Makabu, Krzystof Wlodarczyk, Krzystof Glowaki, Thabiso Mchunu, Murat Gassiev or Ola Afolabi. It would have been extremely unlikely that Hernandez would have beaten any of these fighters.

 

[Newzz]

Paulie "The Italian Stallion" Malignaggi

 

[TheNig]

thats with any popular boxer bro
the better the opponent, the more theyll tune in

floyd broke records fighting ortiz and mosley for gods sake
floyd is the greatest boxing ppv draw ever (not to be confused with the most popular fighter ever)

Thats my point. If you aint got somebody on the other side with a name, the fight aint gone sell.

So while he is the greatest draw ever, he doesn't become that without some help from the other side.

Can you imagine Trout winning instead of Canelo and Floyd opting to fight Trout?

The Pacquiao fight would have happened way back then.

 

[Newzz]

Julian Williams' Trainer Details Situation With Austin Trout

Posted by: Ryan Burton on 9/22/2015 .

By Ryan Burton


Later tonight, undefeated super welterweight prospect Julian "J-Rock" Williams will return to the ring against rugged Argentine Luciano Cuello (35-3) at the Sands Casino in Bethlehem, Penn. The fight will be televised on FoxSports1.

In this Q&A, BoxingScene.com talks to Williams trainer Stephen Edwards about the upcoming fight and also about the recent back and forth social media chatter between Williams and former champion Austin Trout.

BoxingScene.com: There has been a lot of talk between your fighter Julian Williams and Austin Trout. So much so that their Twitter war of words was even more publicized when Trout told Julian "This is how you do it son" when he stopped Joey Hernandez on national TV. Julian has since responded to which Trout responded again. What is your take on the situation?

Stephen Edwards: First off I want to say congratulations to Trout and his team. Barry Hunter and Boog have him looking really good. That's the best I have seen him look in his 4 fight win streak. My take on the situation is Trout and J-Rock are competitors - both of them look at each other as food. They are in the same division and with the same people, a fight is inevitable. Fighters are competitive so I don't give it much thought. My job is to get Julian ready for his opponent in front of him.

BoxingScene.com: Were there ever any negotiations for a fight with Trout? I know you guys are preparing for a tough fighter in Luciano Cuello of Argentina but Julian has wanted this fight for a long time.

Stephen Edwards: Well here is the thing, pride rules boxing. People will say one thing in public and another in private. I was asked almost a year ago would I take a fight with Trout. I said yes. Early this year I thought we had the fight and we started hiring southpaw sparring. The next thing I know I was told we wouldn't be fighting Trout. We kept the southpaws because we fought Joey Hernandez. After Julian stopped the Russian kid on the Deontay Wilder undercard, he mentioned Trout because his name kept being brought up to us but the fight never materialized.

We thought we would fight Trout again for this September fight but again it didn't happen. As a team we couldn't understand why Trout needed to fight Joey Hernandez in order to fight Julian. But I suspect he needed more time with his new coaches and his confidence was a little bit shaky because he struggled with Daniel Dawson and Luis Galarza.

I understand that and Trout has to do what's best for Trout. There's nothing wrong with being a smart businessman. But at the same time he shouldn't lie to the public and the media. He has put off J-Rock for about a year now privately but publicly he acts like he's doing Julian a favor by entertaining a fight with him. Trout is not a "shot caller". He's the one who has been slid a favor. How many ex-world champions do you know that can get 4 comeback fights against the guys he's been fighting? He should be thankful that he wasn't thrown to one of the young guns in Haymon's stable like a J-Rock, or one of the Charlo twins, or Chris Pearson or Terrel Gausha. They did him a favor, he's not doing us a favor. Look at a guy like Chris Algieri. He had to fight Pacman and Khan back to back.

Sometimes fighters get a warped sense of themselves. Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto and Canelo Alvarez are shot callers. Not Austin Trout. Floyd did Berto a favor when he called his number. Pacman did Chris Algieri a favor when he called his number. Canelo did Lara a favor when last year he took him out of the Ishe Smith fight. Even Ishe understood what was going on. Cotto did Delvin Rodriguez a favor when he fought him on HBO. Austin Trout is not in that league as far as star power. He's not doing us any favors. Julian wants to be champion of the world. He doesn't have to fight to Austin Trout. Trout is just a guy we accepted that turned us down.

BoxingScene.com: Your fight with Cuello is just days away and I know the focus is on him but Trout said that Williams "can be next." With all that being said, do you intend to take him up on his offer assuming everything goes well with Cuello?

Stephen Edwards: It really depends Ryan. We have to sit down with the powers that be and see what's up. We want a title a shot. Julian is ranked by the IBF, WBA and WBC. He can fight Charlo for the title now that he beat K9, Erislandy Lara or somebody high in the WBC after Floyd vacates. It we are made to go through Trout in order to get a title shot then fine, but I'm not so sure that Trout wants to fight. What Julian won't do is be played like Amir Khan gets played by Floyd Mayweather. Floyd pulls Khan back and forth on a yo yo, because he knows he can. Khan takes off, waits around, thinks he's getting the fight then Floyd pulls the carpet from under his feet every time. Julian won't let Trout do that to him Ryan. If we get offered a title shot then Trout can be his 1st defense. Julian won't let Trout control or dictate his destiny. They could have already fought.

BoxingScene.com: Trout has now won 4 fights in a row and like you said he seems to have gotten his rhythm back. How do you see the fight playing out.

Stephen Edwards: I don't publicly get into game plans. If I say how the fight will play out I will tip off my game plan. I will say this, there is a reason why the fight didn't happen already. There is a reason why Trout was willing to fight the Daniel Dawson's of the worlds and not Julian Williams. Sometimes actions speak louder than words. In all actuality he should have fought Julian last year because he wasn't as developed as he is now. Julian will win I will leave it at that.

BoxingScene.com: Trout has the name as a former champion that Julian needs on his resume. What do you think a victory does for him at this point in his career?

Stephen Edwards: I think it would be a good notch under Julian's belt. Anytime you can defeat an ex-champion it's a good notch. What's ironic is Trout and Julian have defeated the same number of ex-world champions, which is 1.

I respect Trout, he has a solid victory over Cotto and that victory is looking better and better with each Cotto performance. But again Trout doesn't define Julian's career. Julian wants to be undisputed super welterweight champion of the world. While Austin Trout was putting the fight off Julian got ranked by The Ring, by the WBC, WBA, IBF and transnational board. He's even ranked by ESPN and BoxingScene now have him in their tops 10s. It would be solid a victory but Julian has his sights on a bigger fish and he will let it be known to the world, God willing after he defeats Lucian Cuello.



Julian Williams' Trainer Details Situation With Austin Trout



Trout ducking J Rock is still funny to me


Like breh...you cant run from the young guns of Junior Middleweight forever

 

[TheNig]

Paulie "The Italian Stallion" Malignaggi

 

[Newzz]

I didn't wanna post that one



That guy killed Paulie

 

[L68]

pauly and already berto are friends now?

 

[TheNig]

I didn't wanna post that one



That guy killed Paulie

Some nikkas just have no chill.