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[LinusCaldwell]

Heard it's invite only....

it's only 6 miles away Ima go there around 8am if they aren't having it at least I know I tried breh. I would accept it

 

[mr. smoke weed]

shyt breh I meant invite only for training. I'm sure its open to the public if you're not a dikk

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

not sure haymon will allow beterbeast to fight on hbo

The Beast Incarnates promoter already said HBO is fine as long as theres no options...rematch clause is OK

HBO banned Al...Not the other way around...Al had Edwin Rodriguez on HBO no problems

 

[Axum Ezana]

 

[Jello Biafra]

so do u agree now that spence should fight Thurman if he earns it on sept 12? he is already 25...........

My stance has always been that Spence's first step up shouldn't be against Thurman not because he doesn't "deserve" a shot or any of that other bullshyt but despite being 25 Erroll just stopped fighting in 8 rounders.
I like Erroll Spence and would like to see him progress smartly and going from fighting a rack of dudes on 2 day notices in 6 and 8 round fights to fighting Keith Thurman just seems like a bad move.
Also there is no comparison to any of the dudes who I was giving props too because none of the fights Bread mentioned were Toney/Pacquiao/Oscar's first step up fight.

 

[krackdagawd]

The Beast Incarnates promoter already said HBO is fine as long as theres no options...rematch clause is OK

HBO banned Al...Not the other way around...Al had Edwin Rodriguez on HBO no problems

The fact that Tom took Lara as one of the names for team - - - to fight means hbo okay'd him. I'm hopeful that we'll get it.(kkkov vs beast)

 

[WhodatWhoadi]

most probably trolling in TLR

its hard not to troll in there.

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Welcome to The Ring

 

[Axum Ezana]

My stance has always been that Spence's first step up shouldn't be against Thurman not because he doesn't "deserve" a shot or any of that other bullshyt but despite being 25 Erroll just stopped fighting in 8 rounders.
I like Erroll Spence and would like to see him progress smartly and going from fighting a rack of dudes on 2 day notices in 6 and 8 round fights to fighting Keith Thurman just seems like a bad move.
Also there is no comparison to any of the dudes who I was giving props too because none of the fights Bread mentioned were Toney/Pacquiao/Oscar's first step up fight.

it wouldn't be spence first if he fights algeri,ortiz,bundu,guerrero,zab,collazo....etc on sept 12.

thats why they were trying to put him in with robert garcia, a solid vet, but garcia fukked up....not spence.

pac had only fought one vet with a decent record,Chokchai Chockvivat (34-2 ) , before facing Chatchai Sasukal.

 

[Jello Biafra]

it wouldn't be spence first if he fights algeri,ortiz,bundu,guerrero,zab,collazo....etc on sept 12.

thats why they were trying to put him in with robert garcia, a solid vet, but garcia fukked up....not spence.

pac had on fought one vet with a decent record,Chokchai Chockvivat (34-2 ) , before facing Chatchai Sasukal.

But the entire discussion that we had (seemingly through several threads) was based off of Floyd trying to play Don King and have Spence/Thurman as a fight on his undercard in September so your hypothetical future fights really don't matter to the conversation.

 

[Axum Ezana]

HBO proves shortsighted in blocking potential Kovalev-Stevenson bout


Even before Sergey Kovalev lay waste to Nadjib Mohammedi, a pedestrian opponent who had climbed the IBF ladder, earned the mandatory position and presented himself as cannon fodder for the most ruthless fighter in the sport, questions swirled about who Kovalev would fight next. Names like Andre Ward, Artur Beterbiev and Seanie Monaghan were kicked around. Hours after Kovalev’s third-round annihilation of Mohammedi on Saturday was complete, Yunieski Gonzalez, the hard-hitting Cuban who was robbed of a win over Jean Pascal on the undercard, became a candidate.

A name rarely mentioned anymore: Adonis Stevenson, the man who holds the lone remaining piece of the light heavyweight crown. It’s a fight many want to see—and one currently being hijacked by HBO.

To be clear, this column isn’t a defense of Stevenson. Far from it. Since taking the WBC version of the 175-pound title from Chad Dawson in 2013, Stevenson has placed the belt in protective custody. A banner, Fighter of the Year ’13 was followed by an abysmal ’14, with a pair of title defenses against inferior opponents. His ducking of Kovalev became comical; an HBO fighter throughout all of ’13, Stevenson reneged on a handshake agreement to fight Kovalev in early ’14, signed with Al Haymon and fled to Showtime. He has long claimed he wanted the fight but his actions are those of a man who wants nothing to do with it

Still, Stevenson isn’t blocking a light heavyweight unification fight today. Instead, that blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Kovalev, Main Events and HBO. Last March, the WBC, in a rare decision, ordered Stevenson to defend his title against Kovalev. A purse bid was ordered. The fight seemed closer than ever. Then, suddenly, Main Events backed out. Main Events CEO Kathy Duva cited Kovalev’s contract with HBO. If Main Events lost the purse bid, Kovalev would be forced to fight on another network, something, Duva said, that was contractually prohibited.

That HBO would want to broadcast Kovalev-Stevenson is understandable. The network has invested time and resources in building Kovalev into a mainstream star. Yet if the network wanted the fight badly enough it would have offered Duva the financial support to compete with a Haymon-fueled purse bid, a bid that likely would have exceeded $5 million. And if it didn’t, well, there are solid reasons why it would benefit HBO to get out of the way.


Consider: A Haymon-won purse bid would have led to Kovalev-Stevenson airing on CBS or NBC, two networks that have sold airtime to Haymon for his PBC series. Slap Kovalev-Stevenson on network TV in primetime and it would register a huge rating; conservatively, say, 2.5 million viewers, an audience that vastly exceeds any that Kovalev draws on HBO. The winner—and let’s be real, Kovalev would be a heavy favorite to pound Stevenson into submission—would emerge a far bigger star than he was coming in.


This is why HBO’s decision to block the purse bid is perplexing. And to be clear, it is HBO. Main Events is the face of this, but Duva is simply marching to HBO’s tune. With Haymon gobbling up most of the television real estate, license fees from HBO have become Main Events’s largest source of income. Think Duva fears a Haymon-won purse bid? Come on. A bigger bid puts more money in her pocket. What she fears is damaging the company’s relationship with HBO. Said Duva, “We were not going to destroy our relationship with HBO over a fight that might not even happen.”


Yet for HBO to stand between a Kovalev-Stevenson fight is remarkably shortsighted. Yes, it would lose a significant show. But it would not lose Kovalev. A mandatory fight does not include a rematch clause. Kovalev recently re-signed a long term deal with Main Events. He is fiercely loyal to his longtime manager, Egis Klimas. He isn’t joining forces with Haymon. A Stevenson fight is a one-off. Kovalev wins, and he returns to HBO a much bigger star.


Think about what HBO could do with that. The network is building towards an eventual Kovalev showdown with super middleweight kingpin Andre Ward. A rematch with Jean Pascal is appealing; the first fight drew 1.15 million viewers. Exposing Kovalev to a network audience in 2015 would result in a huge ratings boost for HBO in 2016, and beyond.

Unfortunately, network execs don’t see it that way. Instead of Stevenson, Kovalev will pursue a fight with Beterbiev, in Moscow, an afternoon show that figures to be a ratings disaster. He will hope for a rematch with Pascal, though based on Pascal’s mediocre performance against Gonzalez, it’s fair to wonder just how much Pascal has left. He will pray that Ward, who doesn’t seem the least bit interested in leaving super middleweight, will have a change of heart.

Kovalev will still be a star; big puncher, big personality, there is no stopping that. Just nowhere near as big of one as he could be.

HBO only hurting itself with perplexing move to block Kovalev-Stevenson bout

 

[Axum Ezana]

But the entire discussion that we had (seemingly through several threads) was based off of Floyd trying to play Don King and have Spence/Thurman as a fight on his undercard in September so your hypothetical future fights really don't matter to the conversation.

naw im just relating what bread just said about toney,pac.........to spence. im not even thinking about may.

spence shouldn't be shamed or protected when tryna step up at 25 imo.

everyone brings up the bad(vargas,reid) but not the good, like toney n oscar....for whatever reason.


floyd was wrong cause spence/thurman is not signed to him and spence has not stepped up yet.

 

[Axum Ezana]

On this day in boxing history series.


july 21

1982: Salvador Sanchez KO 15 Azumah Nelson, NYC. Retains WBC featherweight title. Sanchez’ final defense before his untimely death on 8/12/1982.




1989: Mike Tyson KO 1 Carl Williams, Atlantic City. Retains world heavyweight title. 93-seconds is all Iron Mike needed to finish off Williams.




2007: Bernard Hopkins W 12 Winky Wright, Las Vegas. Retains World Light Heavyweight Title.




july 22

1963: Sonny Liston KO 1 Floyd Patterson, Las Vegas. Retains world heavyweight title.

Listons’ 2nd consecutive first round KO over Patterson.





2006: Carlos Baldomir KO 9 Arturo Gatti, Atlantic City. Retains World Welterweight Title.





July 23

1988: Tony Lopez W 12 Rocky Lockridge, Sacramento. Wins IBF super-featherweight title.




July 26

1971: Muhammad Ali KO 12 Jimmy Ellis, Houston. Wins vacant NABF heavyweight title




1977: Matthew (Franklin) Saad Muhammad KO 12 Marvin Johnson, Philadelphia. Wins vacant NABF light heavyweight title. A quintessential Philly war!




1978: Vilomar Fernandez W 10 Alexis Arguello, NYC. Non-title fight. Upset of the year!





1986: Mike Tyson KO 1 Marvis Frazier, Glen Falls, NY. Less than thirty seconds in, and Marvis is toast. Smokin’ Joe wanted it; Marvis got it!




2008: Antonio Margarito KO 11 Miguel Cotto, Las Vegas. Wins WBA Welterweight Title.





july 27

Pernell (Sweet Pea) Whitaker W 12 Poli Diaz, Norfolk. Retains WBC/IBF lightweight title.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

naw im just relating what bread just said about toney,pac.........to spence. im not even thinking about may.

spence shouldn't be shamed or protected when tryna step up at 25 imo.

everyone brings up the bad(vargas,reid) but not the good, like toney n oscar....for whatever reason.


floyd was wrong cause spence/thurman is not signed to him and spence has not stepped up yet.

I think floyd was wrong just because he shouldn't be puttin spence out there like that. for all we know, maybe spence was cool with taking it slow and working on some things before steppin up in competition. from my recollection spence never popped off at the mouth before floyd started doing it for him. he could be doing it now just because he feels pressured. you know his fighting pride won't allow him to be like nah im good ......floyd just trying to get a good fight on his undercard cause he knows his next ppv will most likely bomb. same thing when he told broner to get his undercard, but broner hit him with the

 

[LinusCaldwell]

best I could do brehs. No one was there so I just dropped off a note to check out my site. Hopefully his body guards are kind enough to pass it on to him