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This nikka STILL on his "Broner dissed Pac...I wanna fight him because of that" wave?
Karin Mayfield looking for that #BandCamp stimulus check
This nikka STILL on his "Broner dissed Pac...I wanna fight him because of that" wave?
Karin Mayfield looking for that #BandCamp stimulus check
Mayfield had his chance tho. It's just that he couldn't beat an #AlgieriAssassin's left over to do it.
Get outboxed by Emmanuel Taylor in a fight you need to win in order to continue your career at the highest level brehs.
California Burrito
Slangin' Chorizo
The return of Victor Ortiz: If you can’t beat ’em, clam up
Posted by: Lyle Fitzsimmons on 12/9/2014 .
By Lyle Fitzsimmons
In hindsight, I suppose I shouldn’t blame Victor Ortiz.
I was happy to get an interview last week because I genuinely like him, I think he’s a pretty good fighter and I also think – to a large extent – that he’s been unfairly hammered by an overfed media only too happy to pile on when a guy falls short of their arbitrary standards for machismo.
But then, when I got him on the phone and he was kind of, well… a jerk, I was angry.
It annoyed me because I wasn’t going to bombard him with the same questions about the Maidana fight and the Mayweather fight and the Lopez fight. Instead, I was genuinely interested in simply finding out where his head was at these days, and what he’s hoping to get out of his latest return.
In case you hadn’t heard, he’s fighting Manuel Perez on Saturday in Las Vegas, on the undercard of a show that’ll feature Amir Khan and Devon Alexander in the Showtime main event.
His fight with Perez was initially not planned for television, but subsequent updates from the network’s people tell me that the match will be indeed taped and, if time allows, shown in its entirety during the early evening broadcast carried by Showtime’s Extreme channel beginning at 7 p.m.
Anyway, instead of engaging in the thoughtful conversation I’d hoped to prompt, Ortiz’s answer to my initial “how are you feeling heading into this one” query pretty much bordered on the ludicrous.
“I’m gonna be one of the best of all time, just like Muhammad Ali was, just like (Julio Cesar) Chavez was,” he said. “I’ll be in the history books, for sure. Not that I’m not already, but I know what it takes to get there, I know I’ve done it before and I’ll do it again.”
Ummmm, yeah.
Though I’ll concede to not knowing quite how he’d be able to top such a claim for the rest of our chat, it turned out I needn’t have worried. Rather than subsequently articulating his confidence in a manner other than over-the-top historical hyperbole, he decided to hunker down into full-on “the whole world’s against me, so I don’t care what anyone thinks” mode.
Actually, in his words, it was delivered more in a grammatical mish-mash.
“Everybody has their opinion and everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but I, for one, am not relevant to whatever anyone has to say besides what I think about myself,” he said. “And what I think about myself is more important than what anybody has to say about me.”
Again. Ummmm, yeah.
Like I said earlier, I was initially pretty angry about the belligerence. But the more I recalled the ridiculous backs and forths laid on him throughout his career by the supposedly higher-functioning “Fight Freaks” among us, the more I was ready to cut him some slack for shutting down.
Lest we forget, the waffling recap of the Lopez fight on ESPN.com included blasts like “It's not the first time Ortiz has waived the white flag. His reputation as a quitter began in 2009,” followed five lines later by mention of the “warrior's heart” he’d displayed in a win over Andre Berto – in which he climbed off the floor twice to unanimously defeat a reigning champion who’d never lost.
Still, the next paragraph went back to slapping him with an ancient reference to Muhammad Ali against Ken Norton, before finally veering back and pointing out the injury Ortiz suffered indeed “was legit” and that he’d been “spitting streams of blood” in the ring and “could barely talk” in post-fight gatherings.
If everything written about me were thoughtless as that, I’d think twice about opening up, too.
So now, even though I cut the call short before it had reached five minutes, I’m wishing I’d have hung around for a few more exchanges. And if he wins Saturday night and begins another climb toward respectability – if not exactly immortality – I’ll happily get on the list to give it another crack.
Until then, this’ll have to suffice as a final word.
“Some people choose to live in the past. I restrain myself from that, it’s not worth it,” Ortiz said. “I feel like I’ve always felt. I am one of the greats. I’ll be and remain one of the greats, and that’s that. I’ll show you Dec. 13 what’s going to happen. I don’t have any goals. My eyes are on one person and one person only – Manny Perez, Dec. 13 at the MGM Grand – and that’s it. I’m ready.”
Posted by: Lyle Fitzsimmons on 12/9/2014 .
By Lyle Fitzsimmons
In hindsight, I suppose I shouldn’t blame Victor Ortiz.
I was happy to get an interview last week because I genuinely like him, I think he’s a pretty good fighter and I also think – to a large extent – that he’s been unfairly hammered by an overfed media only too happy to pile on when a guy falls short of their arbitrary standards for machismo.
But then, when I got him on the phone and he was kind of, well… a jerk, I was angry.
It annoyed me because I wasn’t going to bombard him with the same questions about the Maidana fight and the Mayweather fight and the Lopez fight. Instead, I was genuinely interested in simply finding out where his head was at these days, and what he’s hoping to get out of his latest return.
In case you hadn’t heard, he’s fighting Manuel Perez on Saturday in Las Vegas, on the undercard of a show that’ll feature Amir Khan and Devon Alexander in the Showtime main event.
His fight with Perez was initially not planned for television, but subsequent updates from the network’s people tell me that the match will be indeed taped and, if time allows, shown in its entirety during the early evening broadcast carried by Showtime’s Extreme channel beginning at 7 p.m.
Anyway, instead of engaging in the thoughtful conversation I’d hoped to prompt, Ortiz’s answer to my initial “how are you feeling heading into this one” query pretty much bordered on the ludicrous.
“I’m gonna be one of the best of all time, just like Muhammad Ali was, just like (Julio Cesar) Chavez was,” he said. “I’ll be in the history books, for sure. Not that I’m not already, but I know what it takes to get there, I know I’ve done it before and I’ll do it again.”
Ummmm, yeah.
Though I’ll concede to not knowing quite how he’d be able to top such a claim for the rest of our chat, it turned out I needn’t have worried. Rather than subsequently articulating his confidence in a manner other than over-the-top historical hyperbole, he decided to hunker down into full-on “the whole world’s against me, so I don’t care what anyone thinks” mode.
Actually, in his words, it was delivered more in a grammatical mish-mash.
“Everybody has their opinion and everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but I, for one, am not relevant to whatever anyone has to say besides what I think about myself,” he said. “And what I think about myself is more important than what anybody has to say about me.”
Again. Ummmm, yeah.
Like I said earlier, I was initially pretty angry about the belligerence. But the more I recalled the ridiculous backs and forths laid on him throughout his career by the supposedly higher-functioning “Fight Freaks” among us, the more I was ready to cut him some slack for shutting down.
Lest we forget, the waffling recap of the Lopez fight on ESPN.com included blasts like “It's not the first time Ortiz has waived the white flag. His reputation as a quitter began in 2009,” followed five lines later by mention of the “warrior's heart” he’d displayed in a win over Andre Berto – in which he climbed off the floor twice to unanimously defeat a reigning champion who’d never lost.
Still, the next paragraph went back to slapping him with an ancient reference to Muhammad Ali against Ken Norton, before finally veering back and pointing out the injury Ortiz suffered indeed “was legit” and that he’d been “spitting streams of blood” in the ring and “could barely talk” in post-fight gatherings.
If everything written about me were thoughtless as that, I’d think twice about opening up, too.
So now, even though I cut the call short before it had reached five minutes, I’m wishing I’d have hung around for a few more exchanges. And if he wins Saturday night and begins another climb toward respectability – if not exactly immortality – I’ll happily get on the list to give it another crack.
Until then, this’ll have to suffice as a final word.
“Some people choose to live in the past. I restrain myself from that, it’s not worth it,” Ortiz said. “I feel like I’ve always felt. I am one of the greats. I’ll be and remain one of the greats, and that’s that. I’ll show you Dec. 13 what’s going to happen. I don’t have any goals. My eyes are on one person and one person only – Manny Perez, Dec. 13 at the MGM Grand – and that’s it. I’m ready.”
Ortiz will never live that shyt down and rightfully so. Although I hope he doesn't get knocked out on Saturday.
Roc Nation Promotions First Card Set For 1/9/15
- Card is happening at the The Theater at Madison Square Garden
- Will air on Fox Sports 1 as part of a 3 event deal
- 10 Round Main Event: Dusty Hernandez-Harrison (24-0/KO 13) vs Tommy Rainone (22-5/KO 4)
- There will also be live performances from Roc Nation artists.:hayking:
http://www.boxingscene.com/roc-nation-promotional-debut-jan-9-msg-theatre--85118
- Card is happening at the The Theater at Madison Square Garden
- Will air on Fox Sports 1 as part of a 3 event deal
- 10 Round Main Event: Dusty Hernandez-Harrison (24-0/KO 13) vs Tommy Rainone (22-5/KO 4)
- There will also be live performances from Roc Nation artists.:hayking:
http://www.boxingscene.com/roc-nation-promotional-debut-jan-9-msg-theatre--85118
shyt looks 
Haymon already got these guys on the ropes
Roc Nation buying Gary Shaw's company though
Haymon already got these guys on the ropes
Roc Nation buying Gary Shaw's company though
Oh shyt! I completely forgot that Antonio Tarver was fighting Johnathan Banks this Thursday.
Still don't know why Banks is still fighting; being the head trainer of the world heavyweight champ has to pay well enough to retire.
Still don't know why Banks is still fighting; being the head trainer of the world heavyweight champ has to pay well enough to retire.
I'm just interested in seeing how they promote the card, how well it sells, the ratings, how they handle the production side, and who performs. If it looks good, then it's a sign to other fighters that they know what they're doing.Roc Nation Promotions First Card Set For 1/9/15
- Card is happening at the The Theater at Madison Square Garden
- Will air on Fox Sports 1 as part of a 3 event deal
- 10 Round Main Event: Dusty Hernandez-Harrison (24-0/KO 13) vs Tommy Rainone (22-5/KO 4)
- There will also be live performances from Roc Nation artists.:hayking:
http://www.boxingscene.com/roc-nation-promotional-debut-jan-9-msg-theatre--85118
Roc Nation Promotions First Card Set For 1/9/15
- Card is happening at the The Theater at Madison Square Garden
- Will air on Fox Sports 1 as part of a 3 event deal
- 10 Round Main Event: Dusty Hernandez-Harrison (24-0/KO 13) vs Tommy Rainone (22-5/KO 4)
- There will also be live performances from Roc Nation artists.:hayking:
http://www.boxingscene.com/roc-nation-promotional-debut-jan-9-msg-theatre--85118
Bring out Jay Electricity
And I bet that's only the beginning. Don't be surprised when they rescue SOG from his deal.Gary Shaw will be working with them, since ROC Nation bought Gary Shaw Promotions
And just think about this card in January. The fans aren't just getting fights, they're getting performances. You could be getting Big Sean, J. Cole, Fabolous, or Meek Mill plus some good fights.
TheBeigeBomber
#Fukkery
Not to throw dirt brehs, but Lemieux vs Rosado started after midnight as well
Nothing against Crawford, but I dont like when blatant excuses are used for one fighter, but not the next
Not to throw dirt brehs, but Lemieux vs Rosado started after midnight as well
Nothing against Crawford, but I dont like when blatant excuses are used for one fighter, but not the next
the highest rated football game was on at that time though./