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foreman threw arm punches but not like this. foreman loaded up and swung for the fences. you could see the power. you could understand it. golovkin... you cant. he knocked out geale with this

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saying some people just have freakish power is a non answer and its a cop out. i want to understand boxing. i dont want to believe in magic and thinks things just happen just because of mystical forces. i want boxing to make sense and not have to fall for hype.
:heh: No he fukking didn't. I'm really going to need you to explain to me why you posted a gif of James Toney to make a point instead of posting a gif of the punch. He knocked out Geale with this

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Golovkin is LOADING THE fukk UP on a BIG right hand, gets tagged in the middle of the BIG, SLOW, OBVIOUS WIND UP, but the punch is LIGHT and thus he's able to FINISH THE HUGE, OBVIOUS, POWERFUL, SLOW WIND UP. He and Geale started throwing at the SAME TIME but Geale's SHORTER, QUICKER PUNCH got there in half the time. GGG caught Geale with a fukking HAYMAKER. At the start of his punch we see his chest, at the end, we see his back. He put his arms, shoulders, and hips into that shot. In what universe does that look like a pull-counter, arm punch? :dead: :dead:
 
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Golovkin is LOADING THE fukk UP on a BIG right hand, gets tagged in the middle of the BIG, SLOW, OBVIOUS WIND UP, but the punch is LIGHT and thus he's able to FINISH THE HUGE, OBVIOUS, POWERFUL, SLOW WIND UP. He and Geale started throwing at the SAME TIME but Geale's SHORTER, QUICKER PUNCH got there in half the time. GGG caught Geale with a fukking HAYMAKER. At the start of his punch we see his chest, at the end, we see his back. He put his arms, shoulders, and hips into that shot. In what universe does that look like a pull-counter, arm punch? :dead:



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thats not a haymaker. it doesnt matter how much capslock and boldfont you want to post to make that punch into the haymaker narrative you need it to be to stan gloveking

you brought up technique so lets talk about technique. look at his legs. look at his followthrough.

he is falling over and no weight goes over onto the front leg at the end of the punch. thats means its an arm punch. when that arm punch connects it doesnt go through geale. you know that it doesnt go through geale because the punch stops as soon as it connects instead of driving through after it connects. throws it as a hook but doesnt turn it over which is why it looks like a right jab at the end of the punch instead of the right hook that it started out as. these are facts not a narrative.

i posted that view because you can really see what golovkins legs are doing. you can see his legs just arent under him and that he was falling over while hes punching. you said he turned his hips. we can see that was a lie. i see these kinds of things and i try to add it all up. the only way to justify this is to say golovkin has freakish power. i agree. the difference is when you look at the controversy surrounding golovkin who now has racked up two funny looking knockouts back to back, fighters themselves bringing his gloves into question, fighters constantly getting cut early in consecutive fights, a growing amount of people starting to question golovkin, gloves doing things in pictures gloves arent supposed to do, its creating a growing case about the nature of that power. you cant ignore that and not take that into consideration when you see a punch like the one he hit geale with.
 

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I don't know how you look at this

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and see anything other than a guy loading up on a punch, getting knocked off balance, but not enough to warrant adjusting his footing, so he can stay planted, regain his balance, and completing his punch.

He ABSOLUTELY has weight on the front foot. It's the momentum he uses from getting his weight back forward that drives the punch. After he gets interrupted in the middle, at the end of the punch, everything is where it needs to be. His hips ARE turned. He turned his hips before he got hit. His entire lower body is set for a power bunch before he gets hit. Geale's punch just stalls the process. It shifts weight backwards, but but not even enough to make him go flat-footed.

What part of his hips not being turned can't you see? At the beginning of the gif his waist his parallel with the camera, when the punch connects, his waist is perpendicular :dwillhuh:

When he shifts his weight back forward, he then finishes the punch. His upper body catches up with his lower body and he completes the original power punch he had intended. When the punch connects, he's RIGHT back over his front foot like nothing happened. Completely on balance, and he even threw a left hook right afterwards. No stumbling, nothing. His feet are perfect at impact. Look at the way he's clearly DRIVING FORWARD with both legs to finish. That punch is a testament to his balance as much as it is his power. An off-balance arm punch, as you're trying to make this out to bet, doesn't end with a guy in perfect punching position to throw another power punch.

He started to throw a big shot, it got interrupted, but he regrouped and finished it. It's really simple.

His ENTIRE body worked for that punch. It's the complete opposite of an arm punch.
 
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this is what turning your hips looks like.

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i dont got to jump through too many hoops and do a lot of mental gymnastics to understand where the power of a punch like that is coming from. that doesnt look anything like what golovkin was doing. i got to create a whole entire narrative to explain what golovkin was doing in a way that might start to make sense. which is what you have done.
 

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thats not a haymaker. it doesnt matter how much capslock and boldfont you want to post to make that punch into the haymaker narrative you need it to be to stan gloveking

you brought up technique so lets talk about technique. look at his legs. look at his followthrough.

he is falling over and no weight goes over onto the front leg at the end of the punch. thats means its an arm punch. when that arm punch connects it doesnt go through geale. you know that it doesnt go through geale because the punch stops as soon as it connects instead of driving through after it connects. throws it as a hook but doesnt turn it over which is why it looks like a right jab at the end of the punch instead of the right hook that it started out as. these are facts not a narrative.

i posted that view because you can really see what golovkins legs are doing. you can see his legs just arent under him and that he was falling over while hes punching. you said he turned his hips. we can see that was a lie. i see these kinds of things and i try to add it all up. the only way to justify this is to say golovkin has freakish power. i agree. the difference is when you look at the controversy surrounding golovkin who now has racked up two funny looking knockouts back to back, fighters themselves bringing his gloves into question, fighters constantly getting cut early in consecutive fights, a growing amount of people starting to question golovkin, gloves doing things in pictures gloves arent supposed to do, its creating a growing case about the nature of that power. you cant ignore that and not take that into consideration when you see a punch like the one he hit geale with.

pacquiao knocks dudes out with his back leg in the air. freakish power exists in boxing. :mjpls:
 

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pacquiao knocks dudes out with his back leg in the air. freakish power exists in boxing. :mjpls:
maybe so but its a growing list of things about golovkin that need to be called into question. we had to do it with margarito retroactively and looking back it all made sense why he was doing things like ripping fighters ears off in fights. but if you dont follow things blindly you dont have to look back retroactively. and pacquiao never knocked guys out cold with a arm punch.
 

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thats not a haymaker. it doesnt matter how much capslock and boldfont you want to post to make that punch into the haymaker narrative you need it to be to stan gloveking

you brought up technique so lets talk about technique. look at his legs. look at his followthrough.

he is falling over and no weight goes over onto the front leg at the end of the punch. thats means its an arm punch. when that arm punch connects it doesnt go through geale. you know that it doesnt go through geale because the punch stops as soon as it connects instead of driving through after it connects. throws it as a hook but doesnt turn it over which is why it looks like a right jab at the end of the punch instead of the right hook that it started out as. these are facts not a narrative.

i posted that view because you can really see what golovkins legs are doing. you can see his legs just arent under him and that he was falling over while hes punching. you said he turned his hips. we can see that was a lie. i see these kinds of things and i try to add it all up. the only way to justify this is to say golovkin has freakish power. i agree. the difference is when you look at the controversy surrounding golovkin who now has racked up two funny looking knockouts back to back, fighters themselves bringing his gloves into question, fighters constantly getting cut early in consecutive fights, a growing amount of people starting to question golovkin, gloves doing things in pictures gloves arent supposed to do, its creating a growing case about the nature of that power. you cant ignore that and not take that into consideration when you see a punch like the one he hit geale with.
honestly I don't even care about the feet or follow through, just look at geale's neck:pachaha:.....that shyt got sent back into his shoulders. the punch obviously landed with force.
 

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maybe so but its a growing list of things about golovkin that need to be called into question. we had to do it with margarito retroactively and looking back it all made sense why he was doing things like ripping fighters ears off in fights. but if you dont follow things blindly you dont have to look back retroactively. and pacquiao never knocked guys out cold with a arm punch.

ggg is overrated anyway. hbo dikkriding turned me off him. feed him to ward and let it be done with. :dead:
 
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