Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.
- Thread starter Jesus Is Lord
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thats not how it works. networks dont pay for shyt. the promoter puts up the money. where the promoter gets the money from is questionable. Free networks get their money from ad revenue. Think Super Bowl. so if you arent seeing boxing on free tv its because sponsors dont want to pay for ads if they cant get the viewership.
desjardins
Veteran
This simple. This is the risk you take when you want to be your own boss and want to be strategic with deals and partnerships. Unless you on that Floyd/Oscar/Canelo level of popularity all it takes is 1 misstep and you lose all your leverage with the promoters you need to work with
It's a shame in Haney's case because he already did the hard route 1 time already and his misstep came at the hands of a cheater but that's the game. He needs to build himself back up at this point
Black_Jesus
Superstar
promoters can get a portion of the licensing fee from networks and a cut can go to the fighters depending on their deal
they can, my answer was a more typical generalization. the risk is on the promoter. every network deal is different. ppv is just what is says. pay tv gets its bread from the subs. promoter recoups from ticket sales, PPV buys, streaming platform subscriptions. my point is that networks arent the problem as to why fights go to PPV. viewership is. I was dealing with this 20 years ago as I said in a previous post, the promoter owns most if not all of their fights, not the network which most people believe. which is why ESPN, DAZN, even Netflix can show classic fights. the key word you mentioned is licensing.
Nah it's that most are thinking about his all wrong
I have no ill will towards Bill Haney. What he did to set up his son's Boxing career is remarkable and amazing in that aspect. But there comes a time when the star boxer has reached his cap with their original trainer/manager
Bill Haney is the one who keeps bringing Devin Haney into trainwrecks. The Ryan Garcia fight should have never happened. Classic case of "Cherry Picking gone Wrong". The Haney's saw Ryan Garcia as an easy lick, and they were dying to have that Floyd Mayweather-Arturo Gatti moment where Floyd beats the shyt out of shop-worn Gatti and gains a huge fanbase because of it and gained more leverage in the negotiating table. But they thought wrong and miscalculated. I find it funny how the Haney's want to play the innocent role when they were the ones feeding into Ryan Garcia being a racist psycho lunatic
On top of that. Devin Haney not being a KO artist, but somehow the gameplan was step to a power puncher, in an attempt to KO him, which is something Devin never did. Absolutely terrible gameplan for Ryan Garcia. Ryan was acting like a psycho 3-4 months prior to the fight, and they had multiple opportunities to cancel the fight, even had the Barbosa dude on the undercard they could have fought instead, and they still went ahead with it dying for the publicity and pay day
It is extremely hard for a star Boxer to also be their own manager/promoter. Everyone can't be Floyd, Oscar De La Hoya, or Sugar Ray Leonard. You are going to need a team around you. Larry Holmes and Julio Cesar Chavez had Don King. Lennox Lewis had Frank Maloney, Sweet Pea had Lou Duva, etc etc. To think Devin Haney is "the boss, and his father is following his lead" is straight up comical
No hate on Devin Haney, but it's time to separate the business relationship with his father, or bring in someone else and severely limit his role
semantics here, in a way but this is why there are advisors. fighters can have a manager who is also their advisor. there was a time where a fighter had a separate manager and advisor. does Devin have an advisor? see, being a manager is a lot of damn responsibility. I dont think they made a bad move fighting Ryan though I do think they underestimated them. I dont bet anymore but I want to start again because I almost bet on that fight. Ryan is very dangerous and everything leading up to the fight pretty much had me feeling like he was going to pull the upset. Ryan didnt outbox Devin. He just won rounds based on power shots. that bend over shyt is the wackest shyt out there and Devin couldnt take advantage of that. I'd take Hitchins over Ryan right now. Devin not as good as Tank or Shakur. He is right there but they are above him imo.
You said yourself he is not a power puncher so for Bill to help get him to this level is remarkable in itself. your other statement, I think we agree/disagree in ways. I think a star boxer HAS to be their own manager/promoter...but yes, they do need a unit to do the actual legwork. advisor/co-promoter/etc....its easier to get deals done. on one hand Bud wasted a lot of prime years fukking with Top Rank, at the same time Bud was not a big name when Top Rank signed him. thats how promotional deals work. just like old record deals. you aint gonna make shyt off the fighter until he becomes popular.
Managerial wise I really dont see anything egregious Bill is doing. He doesnt need to be the manager AND trainer. He not Bozy Ennis bad though.
Boxing is such a dying sport because it solely relies on popularity unlike Super Bowl or NBA Finals. So when it comes to dealing with individual entities such as networks, fighters, managers, promoters...everyone prices themselves out. all it takes is for one mf to not agree and whole shyt dead.
UpAndComing
Veteran
Facts, I do agree with you on Bud. Wasted his time fukking with Top Rank. It might sound crazy, but I wish Bud joined forces with Eddie Hearn sooner
None of the American promotional companies were fukking with Bud during his prime. An PBC is an obvious hell no because he was a main rival of Errol Spence and their cash cow. Bud got his first title in Europe, would have loved to see him be promoted by Matchroom or Queensberry because I believe in modern times, Europe puts more effort into Boxing promotions than America does
And yeah I disagree with you on that. Yeah Boxers can be their own managers somewhat as a star Boxer, but the game of Boxing is all about the promotional companies gate-keeping alot of shyt. Even Roy Jones was languishing in obscurity for his first 25 fights until HBO took a chance on him. Larry Holmes has the personality of a block of wood lol, but he had Don King on his side, became very popular, and got million dollar purses
Black_Jesus
Superstar
Bill did a great job moving his son as manager and trainer.... 1 bad night doesn't erase everything before.. They're only real mistake was going on with the fight anyway when Ryan missed weight.. and that doesn't overshadow all the success their team has prior.. but For nikkas to try and use some hindsight 50 logic as a knock against bill taking the fight in the 1st place is very strange.. kinda sociopathic considering he beat Loma and Kambosis 2x.. beat Prograis.. Teo and Tank both ducked.(they're gameplan was great up until they fought someone unkowingly on PEDs) and Ryan was really the best option for them at the time. lets not forget he didn't start acting retarded until after the fight was signed. And another thing nobody is pointing out is the only reason he was fighting Ryan is cause Tank wouldn't fight him.
Black_Jesus
Superstar
Bud woulda run into the same problems he had at TR over there with Eddie who has zero success with American fighters. Aint no amount of effort in promotion gonna change the fact that you're being black balled and it takes TWO great or notable/popular fighters to make a successful event.
Knicksman20
Superstar
Underrated scrap
UpAndComing
Veteran
Haven't really been interested in a Teofimo fight in a while. I also think he should have L's to Sandor Martin and Jamaine Ortiz along with the Kambosos one. Top Rank not gonna drop 3 mil+ on a guy who can't even pack out 5000 seat arenas or sell any ppv's.
