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You obviously didn't understand so I have to repeat it

It would be DUMB for Haney or anyone in his circle to think anything under $2 mill is unfair. His value has decreased after the Loss/No-Contest. Yeah that L is erased from his record, but it's not erased from the minds of fans/promoters. No serious title fight would offer him more than that

If Devin Haney can trick BLK Prime into paying him more money to fight Adrien Broner, then more power to him
explain how fans and promoters can determine how much his value decreased after a NC when he hasn't fought since the NC? there is no data for you to make the determination that he is only worth less than $2m vs a tough opponent... just like you cant erase a loss from your memory you also cant erase the circumstances behind the loss where Haney opponent decides to not make weight and also fight with performance enhancement drugs... Did Haney have to trick the Saudi prince into making a substantial offer to Teo to fight Haney(that Teo turned down) did you erase that from your memory as well??
 

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explain how fans and promoters can determine how much his value decreased after a NC when he hasn't fought since the NC? there is no data for you to make the determination that he is only worth less than $2m vs a tough opponent... just like you cant erase a loss from your memory you also cant erase the circumstances behind the loss where Haney opponent decides to not make weight and also fight with performance enhancement drugs... Did Haney have to trick the Saudi prince into making a substantial offer to Teo to fight Haney(that Teo turned down) did you erase that from your memory as well??


Ask Devin Haney himself:

Devin Haney to sue Ryan Garcia over lost revenue




"To say that Devin Haney is not happy with the current situation is putting it lightly. Loudly expressing his disgust with the insultingly low purse bid by Top Rank, the only promoter to submit a bid, for his upcoming title defense against Sandor Martín, Haney later suggested that he would take a break from the sport.
Now he has doubled down on that by announcing that he will be pursuing legal action against Ryan Garcia for loss of income. All of this stems from Garcia’s controversial cheating in their bout last April.

In business terms, Devin Haney feels that Ryan Garcia committed a fraud that led to the lowering of Haney’s brand value.


“It definitely had a major impact. I haven’t made a million and a half since my beginning days of signing with Matchroom,” said Haney. “So, it affected me. My lawyers and my team will do that in court against Ryan Garcia, and we will take legal action because it has affected me. Not only financially but mentally.
 

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I'm hearing it's possibly a fight on BLK prime against Broner. Bill Haney is single-handedly ruining his son's career

why you think that though? I like Bill and think he is good for Devin managerial wise (I dont agree with fathers being long term head trainers)

Devin not that far out the game like people think. He still has a great name and a good win puts him right back at the top. He does need a confidence builder/tune up (I hate using that term) he needs to get the rust off. Boxing is too much talking right now. Teo aint shyt til he get in the ring with all these people he runnin his trap about.

sad Devin is so vilified due to a fukkin cheat. boxing in some weird ass times.
 

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Ask Devin Haney himself:

Devin Haney to sue Ryan Garcia over lost revenue




"To say that Devin Haney is not happy with the current situation is putting it lightly. Loudly expressing his disgust with the insultingly low purse bid by Top Rank, the only promoter to submit a bid, for his upcoming title defense against Sandor Martín, Haney later suggested that he would take a break from the sport.
Now he has doubled down on that by announcing that he will be pursuing legal action against Ryan Garcia for loss of income. All of this stems from Garcia’s controversial cheating in their bout last April.

In business terms, Devin Haney feels that Ryan Garcia committed a fraud that led to the lowering of Haney’s brand value.

“It definitely had a major impact. I haven’t made a million and a half since my beginning days of signing with Matchroom,” said Haney. “So, it affected me. My lawyers and my team will do that in court against Ryan Garcia, and we will take legal action because it has affected me. Not only financially but mentally.

And was this before or after the Saudi's came with a lucrative offer for him to face Teo?
 
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this is a lot of talk
Boxing is throwing money out the window having some of these fights on ppv

Weren’t some of Ali’s and the four kings biggest fights on network tv?

thats another story. Network tv cant find stable footing in boxing. PBC was good for a minute, boxing on NBC was great but boxing is dying overall. majority of network tv viewers arent a viable enough base for boxing fans. times are different. I havent taken the time to study why but there is opportunity in streaming. Netflix was a good look but they were not ready for the video transport infrastructure for Paul vs Tyson. Really they should be ashamed. It was inexcusable. Too many streaming networks to not have some Shobox type series running. Youtube may be the best bet. Don King had a free card on a couple years ago but the people who are running DKP are dinosaurs and dont know what the fukk they are doing and now that he is 93 they really dont care. Trust me and I know this from some experience. Boxing is set up different than other sports and entertainment because the promoters hold the rights to the events, not the networks. it really will take someone who actually cares enough to make the right deals. most of these promoters are trash. kinda surprised Turki hasnt started his own streaming network yet.
 

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from the home of coca-cola, i'm not referring to s
why you think that though? I like Bill and think he is good for Devin managerial wise (I dont agree with fathers being long term head trainers)

Devin not that far out the game like people think. He still has a great name and a good win puts him right back at the top. He does need a confidence builder/tune up (I hate using that term) he needs to get the rust off. Boxing is too much talking right now. Teo aint shyt til he get in the ring with all these people he runnin his trap about.

sad Devin is so vilified due to a fukkin cheat. boxing in some weird ass times.
They dont want him to take a tuneup.. they want him to take low money vs a tough opponent, because their dumbnikka brains wont allow them to unsee him losing to someone on an uneven playing field by not making weight and having performance enhancers in his system. its kinda bizarre how much Dev gets villified
 

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They dont want him to take a tuneup.. they want him to take low money vs a tough opponent, because their dumbnikka brains wont allow them to unsee him losing to someone on an uneven playing field by not making weight and having performance enhancers in his system. its kinda bizarre how much Dev gets villified

its fukked up. promoters have too much power in today's landscape. Devin would be forced to sacrifice bread to rebuild a brand that was tarnished by a fukkin cheat. this is why you see fighters take 2-3 year layoffs sometimes.
 

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its fukked up. promoters have too much power in today's landscape. Devin would be forced to sacrifice bread to rebuild a brand that was tarnished by a fukkin cheat. this is why you see fighters take 2-3 year layoffs sometimes.
Well promoters know fans are dumb as fukk. More concerned with his value than the fact he was cheated and got hurt.. Mad at his daddy for moving his son strategically.. utterly ridiculous
 

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why you think that though? I like Bill and think he is good for Devin managerial wise (I dont agree with fathers being long term head trainers)

Devin not that far out the game like people think. He still has a great name and a good win puts him right back at the top. He does need a confidence builder/tune up (I hate using that term) he needs to get the rust off. Boxing is too much talking right now. Teo aint shyt til he get in the ring with all these people he runnin his trap about.

sad Devin is so vilified due to a fukkin cheat. boxing in some weird ass times.

Nah it's that most are thinking about his all wrong
I have no ill will towards Bill Haney. What he did to set up his son's Boxing career is remarkable and amazing in that aspect. But there comes a time when the star boxer has reached his cap with their original trainer/manager

Bill Haney is the one who keeps bringing Devin Haney into trainwrecks. The Ryan Garcia fight should have never happened. Classic case of "Cherry Picking gone Wrong". The Haney's saw Ryan Garcia as an easy lick, and they were dying to have that Floyd Mayweather-Arturo Gatti moment where Floyd beats the shyt out of shop-worn Gatti and gains a huge fanbase because of it and gained more leverage in the negotiating table. But they thought wrong and miscalculated. I find it funny how the Haney's want to play the innocent role when they were the ones feeding into Ryan Garcia being a racist psycho lunatic

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On top of that. Devin Haney not being a KO artist, but somehow the gameplan was step to a power puncher, in an attempt to KO him, which is something Devin never did. Absolutely terrible gameplan for Ryan Garcia. Ryan was acting like a psycho 3-4 months prior to the fight, and they had multiple opportunities to cancel the fight, even had the Barbosa dude on the undercard they could have fought instead, and they still went ahead with it dying for the publicity and pay day

It is extremely hard for a star Boxer to also be their own manager/promoter. Everyone can't be Floyd, Oscar De La Hoya, or Sugar Ray Leonard. You are going to need a team around you. Larry Holmes and Julio Cesar Chavez had Don King. Lennox Lewis had Frank Maloney, Sweet Pea had Lou Duva, etc etc. To think Devin Haney is "the boss, and his father is following his lead" is straight up comical

No hate on Devin Haney, but it's time to separate the business relationship with his father, or bring in someone else and severely limit his role
 
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