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:francis:You can be good with the conversation.. dont make a difference to me. Ortiz beating Berto is no bigger a win than ggg beating Jacobs...Jacobs beating Dervenchenko.. Kovalev beating Eleider Alvarez and Anthony Yarde back2back
I never mentioned Moseley or Marquez as an example :what: but since you brought up Baby Bull.. Nothing greater or more spectacular about that win over the above matches I mentioned either..

Much bigger wins in real time. I don’t know if you were around. You just come off as a Stan of PAC/Canelo, that you can’t have a logical discussion with. Very hard to take your opinion seriously on anything.
 

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Much bigger wins in real time. I don’t know if you were around. You just come off as a Stan of PAC/Canelo, that you can’t have a logical discussion with. Very hard to take your opinion seriously on anything.
Thats fine.. From my perspective there's nothing logical about what you're claiming...that none of Canelos opponents came off big wins compared to anyone Floyd beat.. this coming from someone that believes a win over Berto and Juan Diaz are "big wins" :mjlol: but we supposed to take you serious. You just coming off like another delusional Floyd D-rider
 

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Thats fine.. From my perspective there's nothing logical about what you're claiming...that none of Canelos opponents came off big wins compared to anyone Floyd beat.. this coming from someone that believes a win over Berto and Juan Diaz are "big wins" :mjlol: but we supposed to take you serious. You just coming off like another delusional Floyd D-rider

They were big wins in real time, but obviously, if you weren’t watching and you’re just going off boxrec, then there’s no point in having a discussion. You’re argument is flawed when you threw Hatton’s name in there not being bigger then guys like Danny Jacobs, Plant, etc. It’s like you can’t be serious there was no way you were watching boxing back then.

I don’t Stan any fighter. You’re the Pacquaio STAN. Youre whole thing on this forum is diminish Floyd’s accomplishments because he beat him in a head to head fight. Who gives a fukk. How can you be a grown ass man stanning these fighters like you do?
 

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They were big wins in real time, but obviously, if you weren’t watching and you’re just going off boxrec, then there’s no point in having a discussion. You’re argument is flawed when you threw Hatton’s name in there not being bigger then guys like Danny Jacobs, Plant, etc. It’s like you can’t be serious there was no way you were watching boxing back then.

I don’t Stan any fighter. You’re the Pacquaio STAN. Youre whole thing on this forum is diminish Floyd’s accomplishments because he beat him in a head to head fight. Who gives a fukk. How can you be a grown ass man stanning these fighters like you do?
Hatton was only really popular in the UK and wasn't shyt at 147 .. I still give Floyd 100% credit for the win but we not gonna pretend like this was some huge career defining victory in real time or on box rec.. Casuals in america didn't really know or give fukk about Ricky Hatton back then.. he was just some white boy with a British accent running his mouth.. You're trying to paint a narritive that all Floyds opponents were popular amongst casuals and all came off "big wins" and all Canelo opponents is the comolete opposite.. all are unknown and aren't coming off big wins.. Thats a lie
 

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So we jus goin pretend nikkas wasn’t claiming Floyd was scared of Hatton N ducking?? :stopitslime:


We goin pretend Hatton wasn’t Ring Magazine fighter of the year?? :mjlol:


We pretending Lil Floyd didn’t do 920k PPV buys( USA only) against a Cac “nobody knew or cared about?? “

Only on The Coli is selling out the MGM Grand… taking a nikkas 0 N doin them numbers damn near 20 yrs ago no big deal

Being the 4th or 5th person to beat 35 yr old semi retired Shawn Porter In front of USA Soccer attendance N TNA PPV buys makes you an ATG N best of a generation :deadmanny:
 

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Hatton was only really popular in the UK and wasn't shyt at 147 .. I still give Floyd 100% credit for the win but we not gonna pretend like this was some huge career defining victory in real time or on box rec.. Casuals in america didn't really know or give fukk about Ricky Hatton back then.. he was just some white boy with a British accent running his mouth.. You're trying to paint a narritive that all Floyds opponents were popular amongst casuals and all came off "big wins" and all Canelo opponents is the comolete opposite.. all are unknown and aren't coming off big wins.. Thats a lie

Yes all his opponents during the Money May era came off “big wins” in the WW division, or in Cotto’s & Canelo’s case, the LMW division.

I completely understand why you don’t view them as big wins. If you weren’t around when Berto was suppose to be that next dude, I can see why Ortiz/Guerrero beating Berto was not a big win. Let’s just look out how his career turned out. Same thing as you not viewing Marquez beating Diaz as a big win.

I got a question? Is Bradley beating Devon Alexander a big win? I’m curious, or are we just gonna go to boxrec and see how his career fizzled out?
 

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Yes all his opponents during the Money May era came off “big wins” in the WW division, or in Cotto’s & Canelo’s case, the LMW division.

I completely understand why you don’t view them as big wins. If you weren’t around when Berto was suppose to be that next dude, I can see why Ortiz/Guerrero beating Berto was not a big win. Let’s just look out how his career turned out. Same thing as you not viewing Marquez beating Diaz as a big win.

I got a question? Is Bradley beating Devon Alexander a big win? I’m curious, or are we just gonna go to boxrec and see how his career fizzled out?

None were bigger wins than Canelo wins over ggg or Kovalev.. you can even throw in Plant too since that was another competitive fight for undisputed.. Nobody looked at Floyd vs Guerrero or Ortiz as some significant big wins nor were they coming off big wins... If beating Andre Berto is a "big win" to you then cool we can just agree to disagree on that.. To me that wasn't a bigger win than ggg beating Danny Jacobs "in real time"
Yes there was a point in time where Berto might have had next but the verdict was still out.. When he went life n death with bum ass Victor Ortiz that was settled in my mind that he wasn't really shyt.. when Guerrero whipped him that shoulda confirmed it for everybody.. I guess not everybody since we got nikkas dikkriding Floyd by proxy by boosting regular ass Ortiz vs Berto as some great win..

And no.. Bradley vs Devon was a good win.. A decent win.. A "big win".Nope.. especially considering Bradley won by headbutt
 
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So we jus goin pretend nikkas wasn’t claiming Floyd was scared of Hatton N ducking?? :stopitslime:


We goin pretend Hatton wasn’t Ring Magazine fighter of the year?? :mjlol:


We pretending Lil Floyd didn’t do 920k PPV buys( USA only) against a Cac “nobody knew or cared about?? “

Only on The Coli is selling out the MGM Grand… taking a nikkas 0 N doin them numbers damn near 20 yrs ago no big deal

Being the 4th or 5th person to beat 35 yr old semi retired Shawn Porter In front of USA Soccer attendance N TNA PPV buys makes you an ATG N best of a generation :deadmanny:
The only reason anyone said Floyd was ducking is because he retired while it was a gang of nikkas calling him out..
And Hatton wasn't FOTY the year Floyd fought him or the year before that :ufdup: and it was at a different weight division than Hatton...
Floyd n Hatton ppv did do 900k... Canelo vs ggg did more both fights:yeshrug: so I can't help but call bullshyt when someone push a false narritive that all Floyds fights were "bigger"
 

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Leo Santa Cruz On Gary Russell Fight: It's Still Very Possible; Still A Great Fighter
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BY KEITH IDEC
Published Mon Mar 07, 2022, 09:23 AM EST


Leo Santa Cruz would welcome a fight with the newly crowned champion who upset Gary Russell Jr. next.

If Russell gets the opportunity to fight Mark Magsayo again, though, the four-division champion considers a subsequent bout with Russell viable if Russell were to win back his title. Russell didn’t have a rematch clause in his contract for the Magsayo bout because the WBC doesn’t allow such items in deals for mandated title fights.

That’s unfortunate for Russell, whom Santa Cruz acknowledged might not have lost to Magsayo if he hadn’t suffered a shoulder injury during the fourth round that hindered him in the final eight-plus rounds January 22 at Borgata Event Center in Atlantic City, New Jersey. Regardless, the 33-year-old Santa Cruz remains interested in the featherweight fight that has long interested him, yet never materialized.

“I think it’s still very possible,” Santa Cruz told BoxingScene.com regarding facing Russell. “Gary Russell’s still a great fighter. He’s very dangerous out there and I think if he comes back a hundred percent, I think he could get his belt back. And then maybe we can fight, yeah.”

Russell (31-2, 18 KOs), a southpaw from Capitol Heights, Maryland, is expected to have surgery to repair a torn tendon in his right shoulder. He put off surgery before he made a mandatory defense of his WBC belt against the Philippines’ Magsayo (24-0, 16 KOs) last month, but time off and physical therapy seemingly won’t be enough to help him fully recover from the injury that inhibited him for two-thirds of that 126-pound title fight.

Santa Cruz (38-2-1, 19 KOs) didn’t see the entire Russell-Magsayo match, but Russell’s 12-round, majority-decision defeat certainly wasn’t the result that the Rosemead, California, native wanted.

“I was a little bit disappointed,” Santa Cruz said. “I wanted Gary Russell to win. I’ve been saying I want that rematch because he beat me in the amateurs. And I said, ‘In the pros, we can fight again.’ I know people are saying, ‘Oh, Leo doesn’t wanna fight him.’ But I do wanna fight him. I’ve always wanted to fight him. It’s just that the promoters weren’t able to make that fight. I don’t know the reason, but I know I was always pushing for that fight. I was always telling them, ‘Hey, give me the Gary Russell fight.’ And then they said they were gonna try to work it out, but they never came back.”

Russell hadn’t fought in nearly two years by the time he headlined a “Showtime Championship Boxing” tripleheader against Magsayo. Santa Cruz ended his own 15-month layoff last month, when he out-pointed Phoenix’s Keenan Carbajal (23-3-1, 15 KOs) in a 10-round, 130-pound fight on the Keith Thurman-Mario Barrios undercard at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino’s Michelob ULTRA Arena.

“The fight was really good,” Santa Cruz recalled, “but if Gary Russell would’ve been a hundred percent, and his hand wouldn’t have gotten hurt, I think he would’ve taken the fight. You know, he’s a really great fighter. He has really good speed and everything, and, you know, I think, like I said, he would’ve won if he would’ve been a hundred percent.”

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