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there is a first time for everything breh

Just no Pat

1M is far from the norm and this forum has always estimated ridiculous numbers just because they saw PBF and PAC regularly do it.

Hell if they did 500k, that would be extremely impressive and way more realistic. Even then, I’m not sure they would do that.
 

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You might be right, I'm feeling a lil optimistic on my numbers for Garcia Tank/ Canelo Spence, and that could be tacking on an extra 500k buys to my estimates.:pachaha:

However, both guys are tapped in to the casual audiences, and the Mexican - African American rivalry is still extremely lucrative. If Wilder Fury 2 grossed 850k sales, I feel confident that they can be pushed to an upward of 1Mil.

You can’t compare 2 lightweights to 2 heavyweights. The casual audience always gravitates to the heavyweight division.

You need to be at least 147 and up the hit the type of numbers you’re talking about.

Manny Pacquaio in the lower weight classes was way more popular then both of these guys. He was big before the Oscar fight. The most he buys he ever did was 400k during his time there.

Im very aware that we are in a different era, which has social media, but even then, I don’t think people realize just how difficult it is to sell ppv’s. Having social media followers doesn’t necessarily translate into people buying your shyt.
 
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I think it could hit a Milly :yeshrug:

That Mayweather/DLH shyt talking leading up to the fight gonna boost those numbers easy :mjgrin:

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They'll be pushing it as the rematch they never had. Plus...

Jake Paul by himself was prolly responsible for at least 30% of them Tyson/Jones ppv buys and he shares the same fanbase as Ryan Garcia. That fight gon sell.
 

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You can’t compare 2 lightweights to 2 heavyweights. The casual audience always gravitates to the heavyweight division.

You need to be at least 147 and up the hit the type of numbers you’re talking about.

Manny Pacquaio in the lower weight classes was way more popular then both of these guys. The most he buys he ever did was 400k during his time there.

Im very aware that we are in a different era, but i don’t think people realize just how difficult it is to sell ppv’s

You make excellent points, and while I feel that Tank and Ryan have greater potential PPV upside in 2021 than Pacquiao or the Fury/Wilder fight, the question of whether or not lightweights can actually generate those type of sales is a big one.

In my eyes, Pacquiao's numbers under PBC PPV are moreso an indicator of his fading drawing power, which has trended downward for years now. Pacquiao's best days as a draw are clearly behind him, and I don't believe his numbers should be seen as a ceiling for what contemporary fighters can draw, certainly not for upcoming stars in the sport.

Fury/Wilder was an interesting PPV fight, because their first fight drew absolutely abysmal sales, 325,000. In certain respects, I believe this shows that the days of heavyweights being king is long gone, or at least a long ways away from what they were in America. The success of their second fight, and I believe of other successful recent PPV events, is indicative of an evolving marketing strategy growing from the mold of traditional PPV marketing; i/e: there's a difference between how Showtime sold Fury Wilder 1, and how Fox-ESPN sold the rematch.

Furthermore, when looking at the following matchups and sales, I believe that they should prompt optimism for what boxing PPV's can gross:

Spence-Mikey @ 360,000. Not a great matchup, neither were truly established stars, debut PPV for both, and still sold fairly well thanks in part to the huge Fox promotional spots given to the event.

Tank-Santa Cruz @ 225,000. Again, not a great matchup, debut PPV, in a pandemic/ month following another PPV, super featherweight bout, still sold fairly well, establishing Tank as a legitimate draw with upside.

So what would a bout sell with:

A good matchup: Ryan vs Tank is a genuinely intriguing matchup. Undefeated fighters, neither is washed, no perceived disadvantage like weight differences, no waiting years for the fight to happen.

Strong marketing: DAZN and Showtime/Fox/PBC getting behind two of their most marketable stars, who basically already sell themselves.

African American-Mexican PPV sales boost.

I'm thinking they do 500,000 minimum.:yeshrug:

Mix in my optimism, and I'm saying they can hit 1 million. Realistically, @King P is probably on point with 750,000, which would still be great for lightweights; a remarkable increase for Tank; and an incredible debut for Ryan.
 
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In my eyes, Pacquiao's numbers under PBC PPV are moreso an indicator of his fading drawing power, which has trended downward for years now. Pacquiao's best days as a draw are clearly behind him, and I don't believe his numbers should be seen as a ceiling for what contemporary fighters can draw, certainly not for upcoming stars in the sport.
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I think you misinterpreted what I meant when I brought up Pacquaio. The young Manny Pacquaio, that fought between 126-135, was more popular then Davis and Garcia. His best numbers during those years were 400k (PAC/Marquez 2). He was huge draw for those weight classes. In fact he was an anomaly to draw those type of numbers.

like I said I’m aware this is a different era, but there has always been a clear trend on where the money and casual interest begins in boxing
 
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I heard the following fights will be on the undercard of the Castano vs Teixeira, Diaz vs Rakhimov double header:
Ronny Rios vs Oscar Negrete
Crazy A vs Leonardo Baez
Anabel Ortiz vs Seniesa Estrada

if that so it's a dope, action filled card

one thing about GB and their undercards..they have a touch for them thats largely consistent..they are the only ones i can say that about lol
 
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