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Yea i dont take him seriously cause, yes he's talented and nobody denying that, but im not having him on my P4P much less top 3 like most media pundits claim when we can't even come to a consensus on who's the best fighter he's faced. Everyone on the P4P has faced another P4P fighter except for him. Everyone in 147 getting busy with each other except for him.

Horn
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Let that been Spence resume over the last two years, we wouldnt hear the end of it. Spence caught flack for fighting a shot Peterson when that would prolly be Crawford's best opp to date. Ima stay on his neck until he step it up, it's only fair.

Hell, Peterson wasn't even shot. Dude was just a past it a lil. Gave us the 1st FOTY candidate this year before calling it a day. Damn straight, he'd be the best name on Bud resume.

I was reading one of Breadmans recent mailbags and he picked Crawford to beat a prime Mosley. :hhh:

Not only is Bud getting rated higher than the PBC welters, you got nikkas picking him to beat HOF's when he never even fought one, let alone beat one. :mjlol:
 

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Why would anyone dikkride ESPN?
And honestly I feel like Crawford was ranked highly going back to HBO.
People been acting like dude is a top P4P for years now :yeshrug:

Personally I would rank Loma #1 for pure boxing, Canelo #2 for boxing and cultural impact or whatever, and the winner of Fury vs. Wilder #3
beyond that I kinda don't care about the rankings. I guess I'd have Spence and Crawford in my top ten, none of the other welters though
Oof you're right I fubar'ed the ESPN point...should've been HBO

Anyway, same thing happened with the HBO push that happened with Triple G.....Win titles fighting relatively easy competition....get blown up on a national, pound for pound scale without fighting anyone............backlash..........loss?.....who knows?!

Now in retrospect Triple G started fighting dudes in 2015 or 16? Which is like 3/4 years after he was Pound for Pound. Bud been p4p since at least 2014 without fighting anyone. No time like now.
 

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Let that been Spence resume over the last two years, .

What makes these guys wack to yall?
IIRC Bud took all of their zeros. Horn has lost since then I believe but I think people are starting to underrate some of these guys.
Yall don't think Benavidez would give Danny Garcia a life or death match? Dude has real boxing stock and would be a nightmare physically for a lot of opponents
Jeff Horn wouldn't be as competitive as Bundu, Peterson, and those types?
The only real difference between Crawford and the pbc guys is those guys get to fight each other. Otherwise the majority of their opponents kind of trash all around if we being honest. I don't rate the Robert Guerrero and Joseilto Lopez types highly at all. At least not that much higher than Mean Machine
 

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What makes these guys wack to yall?
IIRC Bud took all of their zeros. Horn has lost since then I believe but I think people are starting to underrate some of these guys.
Yall don't think Benavidez would give Danny Garcia a life or death match? Dude has real boxing stock and would be a nightmare physically for a lot of opponents
Jeff Horn wouldn't be as competitive as Bundu, Peterson, and those types?
The only real difference between Crawford and the pbc guys is those guys get to fight each other. Otherwise the majority of their opponents kind of trash all around if we being honest. I don't rate the Robert Guerrero and Joseilto Lopez types highly at all. At least not that much higher than Mean Machine

Them 4 dudes that i named that was TC's last 4 straight ops are bums. Horn claim to "fame" was being awarded a decision over Pac that we all thought he lost in a competitive battle. Khan? Really :comeon:. Benavidez? :stopitslime:. Mean Machine? We just watched him stink up the joint earlier this year. Crawford absolutely need to run it with Porter because i mean...who else realistically is he gonna fight on Top Rank that's better?!?!?!
 

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nikkas always give Swift shyt for getting outboxed by Herrera, but......

Benavidez gets overlooked even though he looked worse against Herrera than Danny did during the same damn year. Herrera wasn't even outboxing the guy either, he was just bullying dude and beating his ass against the ropes which is must worse than some jabs. :mjlol:

No way in hell did that guy magically become some good name to have on your record. :camby:
 

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nikkas always give Swift shyt for getting outboxed by Herrera, but......

Benavidez gets overlooked even though he looked worse against Herrera than Danny did during the same damn year. Herrera wasn't even outboxing the guy either, he was just bullying dude and beating his ass against the ropes which is must worse than some jabs. :mjlol:

No way in hell did that guy magically become some good name to have on your record. :camby:


Juvi Herrera won like erry damn round... there was no debates or power punches vs jabs... trying to be a spoiler like the Swift fight... jus straight ass whooping

Then the nikka gets shot N walks like a young Forest Gump
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Bud goes 11.5 rds with a handicapped never was Mexican N nikkas talking bout “bu bu bu bu but how wasn’t that a good fight” :picard:
 

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I really thought Thurman was the man of the division 2 years ago .. especially with his wins over Garcia and Porter... until it became apparent he rather be a flute blowing hippy with a sometimes hot Indian wife :francis:
 
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Juvi Herrera won like erry damn round... there was no debates or power punches vs jabs... trying to be a spoiler like the Swift fight... jus straight ass whooping

Then the nikka gets shot N walks like a young Forest Gump
QuarrelsomeWillingCanine-small.gif



Bud goes 11.5 rds with a handicapped never was Mexican N nikkas talking bout “bu bu bu bu but how wasn’t that a good fight” :picard:

fukking facts :russ:

Crawford the only p4p guy that can get punched repeatedly by someone he supposed to dominate and its a good fight. Dude aint' even on some pressure swarming style either so him getting tagged looks even worse.
 

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Hell, Joshua gets shytted on to this day for going life and death with Wlad and that's fukking Wlad. :mjlol:

GGG got shytted on for letting Monroe open up on him.

Thurman gets shytted on for that Collazo body shot.

but we supposed to ignore Bud getting dropped and faded up like a high top by a guy who barely even world class (if that):ohhh:
 

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Jarrett Hurd: I Will Stay at 154-Pounds - Fight For My Titles Again!

arrett Hurd: I Will Stay at 154-Pounds - Fight For My Titles Again!
By Boxing Clever

Published On Fri Dec 27, 2019, 07:34 AM EST

Former unified junior middleweight champion “Swift” Jarrett Hurd is looking to bounce back strong after suffering his first career defeat back in May, when he suffered a unanimous decision loss to Julian Williams.

Hurd (23-1, 16 KOs) will return on January 25th against Francisco “Chia” Santana at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York.

The Showtime televised card will be headlined by Danny “Swift” Garcia facing Ivan “El Terrible” Redkach in a WBC welterweight title eliminator as part of a Premier Boxing Champions event.

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Hurd was scheduled to face Williams in a rematch in December - but after parting ways with his trainer, the former champ made a decision to push that contest back.

Hurd rejected talk of moving up in weight to the middleweight limit of 160-pounds.

He intends to remain at 154-pounds to reclaim his belts.

“This is my first time doing interviews since I fought Julian Williams. Last time I was up here I was an undefeated fighter and then I suffered my first loss. We had the rematch set up for this December, but with me going through a switch in trainers and still in the process of searching, I wasn’t in condition for it. It was the hardest thing possible to not take the rematch, much harder than taking it," Hurd said.

“I’ve been training in Colorado with Kay Koroma and getting away from everything. We’re focused strictly on boxing. I cut the hair off too because I was just ready for a change. The work so far is showing me how much work I have left to do and how much room I have to grow. I will stay at 154-pounds and fight for my titles again. I’m not looking past Francisco Santana because he’s a great fighter. I’m working hard to get back to the old me."

I think this is just one of those cases where a fighter has the other's number but fair play to Hurd for trying.
I just don't see him doing a complete stylistic turnaround and outbox J Rock who is a good boxer himself.
Hurd has been saying he was a boxer coming up before he fought a domestic UK level journeyman Welborn, and when he tried to box with him he ended up getting touched up until he stopped him.
The volume punching, draining Hurd seems to be the natural Hurd to me, doesn't strike me as a fighter who has multiple styles and J Rock handled him at his won game last time. Extermely hard to get back from there.
But let's see then.
 

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Jarrett Hurd: I Will Stay at 154-Pounds - Fight For My Titles Again!



I think this is just one of those cases where a fighter has the other's number but fair play to Hurd for trying.
I just don't see him doing a complete stylistic turnaround and outbox J Rock who is a good boxer himself.
Hurd has been saying he was a boxer coming up before he fought a domestic UK level journeyman Welborn, and when he tried to box with him he ended up getting touched up until he stopped him.
The volume punching, draining Hurd seems to be the natural Hurd to me, doesn't strike me as a fighter who has multiple styles and J Rock handled him at his won game last time. Extermely hard to get back from there.
But let's see then.

Yea I don't see it myself cause he never has looked fluid/slick athletically if you know what i'm trying to say. He may be able to show flashes here and there but when the going gets tough, he'll revert back to what he knows.
 

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Bud and Top Rank ain't looking good out here...You can't say other fighters are ducking the fade but turning down a fight with Shawn Porter b/c of a "friendship" that Kenny Porter doesn't seem to honor in the same light. B/c Kenny asking for that phone call.

And then when Danny Garcia (who would be Bud's best opponent to date at any weight) comes to the table yall throw him peanuts after yall gave the bag to Amir Khan who Danny beat and sells more than. Top Rank just using PBC fighters to promote Bud but don't really want to make the fights unless they can completely cash out on an Errol Spence fight.

What happened to all the "I'm going up to 160" talk? They couldn't use Errol name to promote the Green Machine fight so they just started talking crazy
 

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Bud and Top Rank ain't looking good out here...You can't say other fighters are ducking the fade but turning down a fight with Shawn Porter b/c of a "friendship" that Kenny Porter doesn't seem to honor in the same light. B/c Kenny asking for that phone call.

And then when Danny Garcia (who would be Bud's best opponent to date at any weight) comes to the table yall throw him peanuts after yall gave the bag to Amir Khan who Danny beat and sells more than. Top Rank just using PBC fighters to promote Bud but don't really want to make the fights unless they can completely cash out on an Errol Spence or Pacquiaofight.

What happened to all the "I'm going up to 160" talk? They couldn't use Errol name to promote the Green Machine fight so they just started talking crazy

Agree with everything you said, but had to put that in there too.
 

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Naoya Inoue-Nonito Donaire is the 2019 fight of the year; what was the best KO and round?
By Dan Rafael
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Through its first two seasons, the World Boxing Super Series has consistently produced exciting, high-stakes fights between elite combatants in four different divisions.



But the most exciting of all -- and for enormous stakes -- came Nov. 7 at the Saitama Super Arena in Saitama, Japan. Japanese favorite Naoya Inoue, the pound-for-pound-ranked star who has won world titles in three weight classes, clashed with Nonito Donaire, a future Hall of Famer who has won titles in four divisions, in what unexpectedly turned out to be the 2019 fight of the year.



Inoue, 26, came into the bantamweight title unification bout having stormed through his first two fights of the tournament in less than three rounds, stopping Juan Carlos Payano and Emmanuel Rodriguez. Inoue was a significant favorite against the 37-year-old Donaire, who had dropped down in weight to enter the field. Donaire won a title in the quarterfinals when favored Ryan Burnett suffered a freak injury in the fourth round and had to retire from the bout. Donaire then scored a brutal knockout of overmatched Stephon Young in the semifinals. Young was a late replacement for Zolani Tete, who suffered a shoulder injury days before the fight.



Inoue-Donaire was expected to be a coronation of "The Monster," but "The Filipino Flash" gave Inoue the most demanding fight of his career.

It was a mesmerizing, punishing battle from start to finish between two master boxers whose inclination is to stand and fight. They dispensed with the sweet science and rumbled in an enthralling and superb fight, which Inoue won 117-109, 116-111 and 114-113 on the scorecards -- but not before he had to overcome tremendous adversity for the first time in his career.

Donaire (40-6, 26 KOs) opened a cut over Inoue's right eye with a clean left hook in the second round, and it caused him problems for the rest of the fight. Inoue (19-0, 16 KOs) said he had double vision thereafter and he also suffered a fractured orbital bone and nose in the second or third round. But Inoue fought through the problems and repeatedly rocked Donaire with right hands.



Then came the epic 11th round, which featured massive momentum swings and included Inoue dropping Donaire with a left to the body and nearly finishing him before Donaire stormed back to hurt Inoue. Before the round was over, Inoue turned the tables and nearly dropped Donaire again. Then they slugged it out again in the 12th round to conclude an unforgettable fight.



Other memorable fights


2. Errol Spence Jr. W12 Shawn Porter (Sept. 28 at Staples Center, Los Angeles): One of the year's most significant showdowns easily met the hype when Spence and Porter met to unify their welterweight world titles. The fight turned into an all-out slugfest in the third round and never let up. Spence, who scored a stunning knockdown with a left hand in the tremendous 11th round, would ultimately eke out a split decision.



3. Gennadiy Golovkin W12 Sergiy Derevyanchenko (Oct. 5 at Madison Square Garden, New York): GGG won a vacant middleweight belt by the slimmest of margins -- many had Derevyanchenko winning -- but nobody could dispute that this was an absolutely savage fight, perhaps the hardest of Golovkin's glorious career. Even though GGG scored a first-round knockdown and badly cut Derevyanchenko in the second round, he was pushed to the limit.



4. Sergey Lipinets TKO10 Lamont Peterson (March 24 at MGM National Harbor, Oxon Hill, Maryland): Former world titleholders Lipinets and Peterson, vying for a possible title shot, put on an absolutely grinding, physical, back-and-forth welterweight battle not for the faint of heart, until Lipinets dropped hometown favorite Peterson in the 10th round. After that knockdown, Peterson's corner threw in the towel and he announced his retirement.

Rafael's fights of the year


2019: Naoya Inoue UD12 Nonito Donaire

2018: Jarrett Hurd SD12 Erislandy Lara
2017: Anthony Joshua TKO11 Wladimir Klitschko
2016: Francisco Vargas D12 Orlando Salido
2015: Francisco Vargas TKO9 Takashi Miura
2014: Franciso Rodriguez Jr. W12 Katsunari Takayama
2013: Timothy Bradley Jr. W12 Ruslan Provodnikov
2012: Juan Manuel Marquez KO6 Manny Pacquiao (IV)
2011: Akira Yaegashi TKO10 Pornsawan Porpramook
2010: Humberto Soto W12 Urbano Antillon
2009: Juan Manuel Marquez KO9 Juan Diaz 1
2008: Israel Vazquez W12 Rafael Marquez 3
2007: Israel Vazquez TKO6 Rafael Marquez 2
2006: Somsak Sithchatchawal TKO10 Mahyar Monshipour
2005: Diego Corrales TKO10 Jose Luis Castillo 1
2004: Marco Antonio Barrera W12 Erik Morales 3
2003: Arturo Gatti W10 Micky Ward 3
2002: Micky Ward W10 Arturo Gatti 1
2001: Micky Ward W10 Emanuel Burton
2000: Felix Trinidad TKO12 Fernando Vargas



5. Daniel Roman W12 TJ Doheny (April 26 at The Forum, Inglewood, California): Roman and Doheny gave everything they had in this incredibly fierce back-and-forth junior featherweight title unification fight. Roman, fighting in his hometown, pounded Doheny's body throughout the fight and dropped him with left hooks to the head in the second and 11th rounds. Doheny nearly dropped Roman in the seventh round, but ultimately, Roman won by split decision.



6. Julian Williams W12 Jarrett Hurd (May 11, EagleBank Arena, Fairfax, Virginia): In a dramatic battle, mandatory challenger Williams, fighting in Hurd's home region, dropped him with a clean left hook in the second round of a fight that had unrelenting and hellacious action. It ended with Williams winning a unanimous decision to take the unified title from Hurd, who had previously unified two belts by winning the 2018 fight of the year.



7. Jose Ramirez TKO6 Maurice Hooker (July 27 at College Park Center, Arlington, Texas): The undefeated junior welterweight titleholders met to unify their belts on Hooker's turf in a high-stakes showdown that more than lived up to the hype. It was an action-packed, toe-to-toe brawl that Ramirez led 48-46 on two scorecards, with the third 47-47, going into the sixth round, when Ramirez ended the memorable fight with a barrage of unanswered punches.



8. Josh Taylor W12 Regis Prograis (Oct. 26 at O2 Arena, London): The undefeated junior welterweight titleholders met to unify their belts in a very worthy final of the World Boxing Super Series, which Taylor won by majority decision. Both men elevated themselves in this classic fight -- one Prograis nearly pulled out with a 12th-round onslaught -- that was waged at the highest level.



9. Artur Beterbiev TKO10 Oleksandr Gvozdyk (Oct. 18 at Liacouras Center, Philadelphia): There had never been a light heavyweight world title unification fight between undefeated titleholders until Beterbiev and Gvozdyk, both Olympians, clashed in a terrific fight that was close and exciting all the way until the more powerful Beterbiev scored three knockdowns for the stoppage in the 10th round.



10. Alfredo Angulo W10 Peter Quillin (Sept. 21 at Rabobank Theater, Bakersfield, California): Although they are in the twilight of their nearly 15-year careers, Angulo and Quillin, each in need of a notable victory, showed they possess enormous heart and determination as they waged a ferocious all-action super middleweight battle that Angulo, who rocked Quillin several times but could not drop him, won by split decision.
 
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