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@patscorpio
Lawrence Okolie dropped by WBC, fails to enroll in Clean Boxing Program

he still got the wbo ranking

 

[Bigblackted4]

Was AJ who turned down a 120m offer?

I'm still at a loss how ppl blame Joshua for that situation when after a very carefully built up record Wilder at 32 with 39 fights behind him finally decided to seek out the meaningful fights and anybody who not obliged ASAP was a ducker then even though he was the one who only fought one top 10 rated opponent on his resume (after 7 title fights, the one where he won the title was that one).

It's not like Lewis vs Bowe, Bowe straight up trashed his belt there, Wilder had an offer in front of him for 120 million to fight Breazeale then 2 AJ fights. He chose to not accept it. It was on the table.
Even though Joshua lost to Ruiz what nobody expected, the worst-case scenario for Wilder would have been fighting Breazeale for 20 million and then fight someone else until AJ and Ruiz sort is out.

Look... to me it seems like ESPN is kinda the "middle man" here, they can work out big fights both with PBC and DAZN, DAZN and PBC can't/won't, one of them is strictly TV the other one is strictly internet so it won't happen until one of the starfighters accept an offer from the other side to make the fight or some exchange deal between them. They can't do a co-PPV or anything.
Loyalty is nice until it results in fights not being made. I don't know if they are contractually tied or not. If they are that could be a reason why they turn down offers like that but Wilder, for example, is a free agent if we ca believe that to him.

DAZN Exec Chairman John Skipper admits to “Messing Up” $100m Deontay Wilder deal! ⋆ Boxing News 24

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“In retrospect, I was too brash going in there without creating the relationships I needed to create with the people who advised Deontay Wilder. I have now worked to do that. It has to do with going back to the education I needed before getting into boxing … When we left that (Wilder) meeting, I KNEW WE MESSED UP and that we weren’t going to be successful (Wilder)

This is DAZN CEO saying he fukked.

Answer me this, what happens to that contract after Ruiz wins. Where does that leave Wilder because they damn sure aren’t paying him 40 million to not fight Joshua.

If Arum can do business with Team Wilder so easy why was it so hard for Hearn.

It wasn’t about Loyalty it was about disrespect. If they had paid Joshua 70 million for those fights why would Wilder take 40.

Also in hindsight with him making at least 15 vs Breazale and 20 for Ortiz and another Pay Per View on the way against the most dangerous Heavyweight who AJ also wants nothing to do with. What are we really saying.


People love to bring up the 120m fake offer instead of the 100m real offer but what about this offer:

"If it is a $100 million fight and they are happy with taking 60-40, I'll take 50-50. Give me $50 million dollars up front and I swear I'll take that fight tomorrow,"

Joshua To Team Wilder: Give Me $50 Million - I'll Sign Tomorrow!

Where both to blame at some points, YES, it’s clear who no longer wants the fight at all.

 

[Bigblackted4]

nah...bowe-lewis different because lewis was bowe's mandatory for wbc and bowe threw that shyt in the garbage..wilder or femi were never mandatories for each other belts..bowe never had any other big fights after losing the belts to holyfield in the rematch because he had a shytload of issues that finished him before he turned 30..well maybe the golota rematch may count because of the fukkery of the first

and regarding unfications for wilder..wilder had many chances to put in a bid for one before femi got into the equation...wlad...charles martin..nikkas conveniently forget those 2 were champs within pbc at the same time but talmbout ruiz wins and a ruiz-wilder can take place ..joseph parker...wilder has 10 defenses with his wbc belt with ortiz and stiverne being his most notable rematches and wins

Parker choose Joshua instead of Wilder, bigger payday. This was even after that had a face to face, and Shelly fukked up by not letting Wilder fight Wlad even if he got KOed he still would have been a big star. Wilder handlers fukked him up and Hearn did a much better job with Joshua no argument there at all.

By the way Bowe knocked out 4 people after the loss to Holyfield then fought him again and won, Remember Bowe is 2-1 against Holyfield, won the first and third.

 

[patscorpio]

Parker choose Joshua instead of Wilder, bigger payday. This was even after that had a face to face, and Shelly fukked up by not letting Wilder fight Wlad even if he got KOed he still would have been a big star. Wilder handlers fukked him up and Hearn did a much better job with Joshua no argument there at all.

By the way Bowe knocked out 4 people after the loss to Holyfield then fought him again and won, Remember Bowe is 2-1 against Holyfield, won the first and third.

he kinda struggled against mathis jr and should have lost by DQ...he got lit up by herbie hide...the 3rd fight with holyfield he got dropped and almost ko'ed by a holyfield who was sick...jorge luis gonzalez was the only fight post title loss that bowe looked like he would live to his potential..the larry donald win was ..and then we all know what happened in those golota fights

 

[Bigblackted4]

he kinda struggled against mathis jr and should have lost by DQ...he got lit up by herbie hide...the 3rd fight with holyfield he got dropped and almost ko'ed by a holyfield who was sick...jorge luis gonzalez was the only fight post title loss that bowe looked like he would live to his potential..the larry donald win was ..and then we all know what happened in those golota fights

All facts minus the Herbie Hide fukk that dude

 

[reservoirdogs]

DAZN Exec Chairman John Skipper admits to “Messing Up” $100m Deontay Wilder deal! ⋆ Boxing News 24

Direct Quote
“In retrospect, I was too brash going in there without creating the relationships I needed to create with the people who advised Deontay Wilder. I have now worked to do that. It has to do with going back to the education I needed before getting into boxing … When we left that (Wilder) meeting, I KNEW WE MESSED UP and that we weren’t going to be successful (Wilder)

This is DAZN CEO saying he fukked.

Answer me this, what happens to that contract after Ruiz wins. Where does that leave Wilder because they damn sure aren’t paying him 40 million to not fight Joshua.

If Arum can do business with Team Wilder so easy why was it so hard for Hearn.

It wasn’t about Loyalty it was about disrespect. If they had paid Joshua 70 million for those fights why would Wilder take 40.

Also in hindsight with him making at least 15 vs Breazale and 20 for Ortiz and another Pay Per View on the way against the most dangerous Heavyweight who AJ also wants nothing to do with. What are we really saying.


People love to bring up the 120m fake offer instead of the 100m real offer but what about this offer:

"If it is a $100 million fight and they are happy with taking 60-40, I'll take 50-50. Give me $50 million dollars up front and I swear I'll take that fight tomorrow,"

Joshua To Team Wilder: Give Me $50 Million - I'll Sign Tomorrow!

Where both to blame at some points, YES, it’s clear who no longer wants the fight at all.

He'd gotten 50 not 40 iirc and DAZN exec acknowledging he will have to be more sopshisticated with building up a social network doesn't mean Wilder couldn't have taken that offer. What would have happened of Ruiz won? Depends. If it was fic in Aj's contract too that he has to fight Wilder after Ruiz I guess the Ruiz rematch would have put on hold until the Wilder fights. If not then Wilder fought Breazeale for 20 million and he can already go back to FOX/Showtime if he wants. Or maybe they'd agreed that they wait out the AJ vs Ruiz rematch so if AJ can win the Wilder fight will be even bigger. Either way, if his contract was for those 3 specific fights, Breazeale and Joshua 2X, it's hard to see a scenario where they could have screwed him.

And what disrespect? Joshua is getting more money because he generates more money to simply put. He is the bigger draw with more revenue. Still. I don't see the fuss about that. Wilder's career-high purse is still lagging behind Joshua's. They don't just handle out all that money to Joshua because they like his face, he sells...

I agree that both sides were to blame for it.

Maybe it's even pointless to argue about it cause they won't fight each other anyway...

Why PBC can work together with Arum but not Hearn? Arum has an avenue that he shares with Haymon, television, where they can pull co-PPVs, they can't do the same with DAZN cause it's an entirely different setting.
Arum can also work together with Hearn as they did multiple times this year, they also have an avenue to work together, but mostly their deals were exchange deals so far.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

When left HBO to Showtime it was considered a Duck to Kovalev


Joshua leaves Showtime to Dazn not a Duck


Dazn can’t even make fights between the few nikkas they have signed please stop with the goofy shyt how ____ pbc fighter should’ve accepted any Dazn deal

 

[The axe murderer]

 

[The axe murderer]

he kinda struggled against mathis jr and should have lost by DQ...he got lit up by herbie hide...the 3rd fight with holyfield he got dropped and almost ko'ed by a holyfield who was sick...jorge luis gonzalez was the only fight post title loss that bowe looked like he would live to his potential..the larry donald win was ..and then we all know what happened in those golota fights

Whyyyyyyyyyy did golota go nuts. He actually could've stopped him

 

[Bigblackted4]

How bruh how

 

[The axe murderer]

How bruh how

I'm wondering if that's his natural power hand but how he make dude lean back like terror squad wit that jab and ktfo dude

 

[desjardins]

Random question but what happened to that Chinese dude TR was trying to hype a couple years ago with PPVs in Macau
Can’t remember his name

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Random question but what happened to that Chinese dude TR was trying to hype a couple years ago with PPVs in Macau
Can’t remember his name

Zhing shiming. He lost and was average.

 

[MasterOfAllHeSurveyz]

Random question but what happened to that Chinese dude TR was trying to hype a couple years ago with PPVs in Macau
Can’t remember his name

Zou Shiming

 

[Black_Jesus]

DAZN Exec Chairman John Skipper admits to “Messing Up” $100m Deontay Wilder deal! ⋆ Boxing News 24

Direct Quote
“In retrospect, I was too brash going in there without creating the relationships I needed to create with the people who advised Deontay Wilder. I have now worked to do that. It has to do with going back to the education I needed before getting into boxing … When we left that (Wilder) meeting, I KNEW WE MESSED UP and that we weren’t going to be successful (Wilder)

This is DAZN CEO saying he fukked.

Kinda mind boggling.. Here you have DAZNs own people admitting they fukked up in the negotiations, yet somehow you got nikkas in here still Juelzing.. still running with dumb ass narratives bout Wilder shoulda did this or that.