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[LauderdaleBoss]

Valdez prolly got no more than 3 years left in boxing...that maybe generous

If that. We don't even know if its 3 years at the elite level or the career mode journey he been on. Top Rank should have gotten dude into some bigger fights already. He spent too much time going to war with fringe contenders. Now he no longer in peak form and with a resume void of any great names. Dude was like the Top Rank fast food version of Leo Santa Cruz. Just getting moved along at a snail pace with no endgame.

 

[patscorpio]

If that. We don't even know if its 3 years at the elite level or the career mode journey he been on. Top Rank should have gotten dude into some bigger fights already. He spent too much time going to war with fringe contenders. Now he no longer in peak form and with a resume void of any great names. Dude was like the Top Rank fast food version of Leo Santa Cruz. Just getting moved along at a snail pace with no endgame.

Wild thing is you saw this coming

That marriaga fight was too much...should have had a soft touch...they put him in with an unknown asian..hes tested again and makes an adjustment in time to get a W..then decides to go ahead with an overweight quigg and gets all types of fukked up..he is a walking ruined fighter...number 1 in the sport right now

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Wild thing is you saw this coming

That marriaga fight was too much...should have had a soft touch...they put him in with an unknown asian..hes tested again and makes an adjustment in time to get a W..then decides to go ahead with an overweight quigg and gets all types of fukked up..he is a walking ruined fighter...number 1 in the sport right now

Facts

He has to work too hard to win fights clean. Once you see that in your boxer, you gotta move them in a way that will maximize their potential cuz the time is ticking. Once they proved their world class, get them the bigger fights.

 

[patscorpio]

Facts

He has to work too hard to win fights clean. Once you see that in your boxer, you gotta move them in a way that will maximize their potential cuz the time is ticking. Once they proved their world class, get them the bigger fights.

I mean gradovich was his world class win before those fights happened...but you're right they should have dialed him back but now he is on the TR cash out plan I'm sure.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

I mean gradovich was his world class win before those fights happened...but you're right they should have dialed him back but now he is on the TR cash out plan I'm sure.

yeah, if you gonna run a guy tough, at least let them be big names on the world stage so he can get the biggest checks possible. Some cats aint built like Bud and GGG where they can dominate C level dudes without taking much punishment.

 

[The axe murderer]

yeah, if you gonna run a guy tough, at least let them be big names on the world stage so he can get the biggest checks possible. Some cats aint built like Bud and GGG where they can dominate C level dudes without taking much punishment.

Last minute replacement are not easy to look good against but dude moved up like 2 weight classes and hurt him. Idk if it's the trainers that may be the problem but it ain't a good look.

 

[Bigblackted4]

It was actually an interesting day of boxing, that Texeria vs Adames fight was fire. Valdez and Lopez great fight. Zhang looked good in his debut.

 

[Bigblackted4]

You know what, I think AJ vs Wilder is Lewis vs Bowe all over again smh. As much criticism as Bowe got he never really suffered because he fought Holyfield 3 times and always had big fights ala AJ. AJ can always go back home and sell out and defend the belts he has without ever fighting Wilder. Eventually he’ll lose to a mandatory and Wilder will get his chance but with AJ saying even after Ruiz he’s not even going to look at Wilder it’s now a wrap and fans need to get over it.

 

[malbaker86]

Top Rank had one of them good by accident cards last night on some pbc shyt.

Oscar Valdez done fell off so bad he can't even beat a late replacement without help from the ref

Valdez prolly got no more than 3 years left in boxing...that maybe generous

I gave Oscar a pass for the Marriaga war in 2017 but that Quigg fight ruined him to me. He better tread lightly with his future opponents

 

[reservoirdogs]

You know what, I think AJ vs Wilder is Lewis vs Bowe all over again smh. As much criticism as Bowe got he never really suffered because he fought Holyfield 3 times and always had big fights ala AJ. AJ can always go back home and sell out and defend the belts he has without ever fighting Wilder. Eventually he’ll lose to a mandatory and Wilder will get his chance but with AJ saying even after Ruiz he’s not even going to look at Wilder it’s now a wrap and fans need to get over it.

Was AJ who turned down a 120m offer?

I'm still at a loss how ppl blame Joshua for that situation when after a very carefully built up record Wilder at 32 with 39 fights behind him finally decided to seek out the meaningful fights and anybody who not obliged ASAP was a ducker then even though he was the one who only fought one top 10 rated opponent on his resume (after 7 title fights, the one where he won the title was that one).

It's not like Lewis vs Bowe, Bowe straight up trashed his belt there, Wilder had an offer in front of him for 120 million to fight Breazeale then 2 AJ fights. He chose to not accept it. It was on the table.
Even though Joshua lost to Ruiz what nobody expected, the worst-case scenario for Wilder would have been fighting Breazeale for 20 million and then fight someone else until AJ and Ruiz sort is out.

Look... to me it seems like ESPN is kinda the "middle man" here, they can work out big fights both with PBC and DAZN, DAZN and PBC can't/won't, one of them is strictly TV the other one is strictly internet so it won't happen until one of the starfighters accept an offer from the other side to make the fight or some exchange deal between them. They can't do a co-PPV or anything.
Loyalty is nice until it results in fights not being made. I don't know if they are contractually tied or not. If they are that could be a reason why they turn down offers like that but Wilder, for example, is a free agent if we ca believe that to him.

 

[patscorpio]

You know what, I think AJ vs Wilder is Lewis vs Bowe all over again smh. As much criticism as Bowe got he never really suffered because he fought Holyfield 3 times and always had big fights ala AJ. AJ can always go back home and sell out and defend the belts he has without ever fighting Wilder. Eventually he’ll lose to a mandatory and Wilder will get his chance but with AJ saying even after Ruiz he’s not even going to look at Wilder it’s now a wrap and fans need to get over it.

nah...bowe-lewis different because lewis was bowe's mandatory for wbc and bowe threw that shyt in the garbage..wilder or femi were never mandatories for each other belts..bowe never had any other big fights after losing the belts to holyfield in the rematch because he had a shytload of issues that finished him before he turned 30..well maybe the golota rematch may count because of the fukkery of the first

and regarding unfications for wilder..wilder had many chances to put in a bid for one before femi got into the equation...wlad...charles martin..nikkas conveniently forget those 2 were champs within pbc at the same time but talmbout ruiz wins and a ruiz-wilder can take place ..joseph parker...wilder has 10 defenses with his wbc belt with ortiz and stiverne being his most notable rematches and wins

 

[The axe murderer]

nah...bowe-lewis different because lewis was bowe's mandatory for wbc and bowe threw that shyt in the garbage..wilder or femi were never mandatories for each other belts..bowe never had any other big fights after losing the belts to holyfield in the rematch because he had a shytload of issues that finished him before he turned 30..well maybe the golota rematch may count because of the fukkery of the first

and regarding unfications for wilder..wilder had many chances to put in a bid for one before femi got into the equation...wlad...charles martin..nikkas conveniently forget those 2 were champs within pbc at the same time but talmbout ruiz wins and a ruiz-wilder can take place ..joseph parker...wilder has 10 defenses with his wbc belt with ortiz and stiverne being his most notable rematches and wins

Femi got flaws but his resume is no joke

 

[HeruDat1]

 

[Loose]

As much as people hate AJ on here he has fought a lot of champions and dethroned a lot of them. I don't think he's ever "ducked" wilder, at this point negotiations will never happen considering the PBC/DAZN divide.

 

[The axe murderer]

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