Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.

[reservoirdogs]

Yep I dont really fukk w Mikey anymore tbh. Hed easily beat Loma IMO though. Doesnt even go 10 rounds.

shyt, that's tough coming from you

Who are your favorites now? Beterbeast and Lubin?

 

[Yuzo]

Any of y'all see this? @patscorpio @reservoirdogs @Newzz @Conscious Pilot @LauderdaleBoss @Yuzo

i think instead of bringing in another cabal of judges they ought to go back to the newspaper decision.

Newspaper decision - Wikipedia

you stick with the three judge system and you have all the sports writers on press row aggregate their scores into an average which can be used to overturn a corrupt decision. that gives you a large sample size and a good, general consensus. to fix a fight you only have to bribe two of the three judges, but under this system, you have to bribe your two judges and all of press row. the sports writers have to answer to a real consumer base, ie boxing fans, and therefore have reputations at stake that they need to protect to keep their jobs; unlike judges, who answer to no one. there is built in incentive for them to stay straight. unlike yet another group of judges who have no reason to be.

thats my take anyway.

 

[patscorpio]

i think instead of bringing in another cabal of judges they ought to go back to the newspaper decision.

Newspaper decision - Wikipedia

you stick with the three judge system and you have all the sports writers on press row aggregate their scores into an average which can be used to overturn a corrupt decision. that gives you a large sample size and a good, general consensus. to fix a fight you only have to bribe two of the three judges, but under this system, you have to bribe your two judges and all of press row. the sports writers have to answer to a real consumer base, ie boxing fans, and therefore have reputations at stake that they need to protect to keep their jobs; unlike judges, who answer to no one. there is built in incentive for them to stay straight. unlike yet another group of judges who have no reason to be.

thats my take anyway.

ol school

personally they just need to vet judges better

 

[Yuzo]

personally they just need to vet judges better

the problem is not that the judges arent good. its that theyre bought.

 

[reservoirdogs]

i think instead of bringing in another cabal of judges they ought to go back to the newspaper decision.

Newspaper decision - Wikipedia

you stick with the three judge system and you have all the sports writers on press row aggregate their scores into an average which can be used to overturn a corrupt decision. that gives you a large sample size and a good, general consensus. to fix a fight you only have to bribe two of the three judges, but under this system, you have to bribe your two judges and all of press row. the sports writers have to answer to a real consumer base, ie boxing fans, and therefore have reputations at stake that they need to protect to keep their jobs; unlike judges, who answer to no one. there is built in incentive for them to stay straight. unlike yet another group of judges who have no reason to be.

thats my take anyway.

Problem with that is there are fighters who are media darlings. Mostly fighters who are kind and accessible to the media and/or the usual suspect guys like GGG or Pac who are these "folk's champion" kinda guys and generally fan favorites. I doN't say this against Pac or GGG just saying there are these kind of fighters and in close fights they would probably get the benefit of the doubt from the media every time just like big money fighters get the benefit of the doubt from Vegas judges now... So it would be still flawed at the end of the day.

Look how there was an outrage when GGG lost a close fight against Canelo but the same outrage wasn't there when GGG beat Jacobs or Derevyanchenko. At the same time the guys with heel image or generally fighters who are a$$holes would get the short end of the stick in close fights and not because their ability.
Also there would be an intensified war between promoters and networks to buy/create and push their "own" media guys into judging position, even now there are media guys who are obviously pro x or y promoter, we are in the age of network fanbases and media outlets who do everything for exclusive access. There would be even more then and it would be impossible to monitor it.

 

[patscorpio]

 

[Bigblackted4]

While this is bullshyt that’s a really good scrap that could be on the undercard and lead to another good scrap

 

[UncleTomFord15]

Canelo would walk through Callum Smith

 

[patscorpio]

While this is bullshyt that’s a really good scrap that could be on the undercard and lead to another good scrap

word..but yeah the wbo should have been like..whoever wins both belts needs to run that back with glowacki...shyt would have been cool...but there was some other loopholes involved and the belt got removed from the tournament

sauerland bros need to leave CW alone for a while

 

[Yuzo]

Problem with that is there are fighters who are media darlings. Mostly fighters who are kind and accessible to the media and/or the usual suspect guys like GGG or Pac who are these "folk's champion" kinda guys and generally fan favorites. I doN't say this against Pac or GGG just saying there are these kind of fighters and in close fights they would probably get the benefit of the doubt from the media every time just like big money fighters get the benefit of the doubt from Vegas judges now... So it would be still flawed at the end of the day.

Look how there was an outrage when GGG lost a close fight against Canelo but the same outrage wasn't there when GGG beat Jacobs or Derevyanchenko. At the same time the guys with heel image or generally fighters who are a$$holes would get the short end of the stick in close fights and not because their ability.
Also there would be an intensified war between promoters and networks to buy/create and push their "own" media guys into judging position, even now there are media guys who are obviously pro x or y promoter, we are in the age of network fanbases and media outlets who do everything for exclusive access. There would be even more then and it would be impossible to monitor it.

media darlings would receive preferential treatment, but you will have to explain to me why a media darling would not also receive preferential treatment from judge. you cant control for personal bias. you can control for corruption. if a sports writer turns in a score card like the one cj ross had for the canelo/mayweather fight it hangs over his head for the rest of his career and he loses his reputation as a credible sports writer. he starts losing twitter followers. you need to pay him a lot of money to stick his neck out like that, then you have to multiply that for everyone else on press row. you need to bribe everybody.

 

[Bigblackted4]

i think instead of bringing in another cabal of judges they ought to go back to the newspaper decision.

Newspaper decision - Wikipedia

you stick with the three judge system and you have all the sports writers on press row aggregate their scores into an average which can be used to overturn a corrupt decision. that gives you a large sample size and a good, general consensus. to fix a fight you only have to bribe two of the three judges, but under this system, you have to bribe your two judges and all of press row. the sports writers have to answer to a real consumer base, ie boxing fans, and therefore have reputations at stake that they need to protect to keep their jobs; unlike judges, who answer to no one. there is built in incentive for them to stay straight. unlike yet another group of judges who have no reason to be.

thats my take anyway.

I always wondered what those meant but that’s a good idea

 

[reservoirdogs]

Good. I'm much more interested in Briedis vs Dorticos than Briedis vs Glowacki.
Briedis is definitely a dirty mfer (a dirty cop ) but in that fight Glowacki did his fair amount of fouls too he just ended up the one getting slept by the end. He landed a rabbit punch with the power of a legit power punch then he got elbowed and while that elbow was a blatant foul he definitely tried to DQ win his way out of that fight there. I mean it was a better play than what Broner pulled against Maidana but it was still visible that he didn't go down as the result of the elbow, wasn't a natural reaction of his body but him figuring out after 2 seconds that he can run with this.

Then he knocked Glowacki down and hurt him BAD, then they didn't stop at the bell but it didn't seem like Glowacki was about to stop either, they both consensually continued to throw.

Then he knocked Glowacki out in the next round.

So while it was definitely unprofessional and dirty, Glowacki is no saint himself and I don't think he got knocked out because any of those circumstances. Briedis just had his number.

I hope he knocks out boring ass jab and grab Okolie though

 

[reservoirdogs]

media darlings would receive preferential treatment, but you will have to explain to me why a media darling would not also receive preferential treatment from judge. you cant control for personal bias. you can control for corruption. if a sports writer turns in a score card like the one cj ross had for the canelo/mayweather fight it hangs over his head for the rest of his career and he loses his reputation as a credible sports writer. he starts losing twitter followers. you need to pay him a lot of money to stick his neck out like that, then you have to multiply that for everyone else on press row. you need to bribe everybody.

I see your point, what I think would be for best though is to create a commission that strictly monitors the judges and their performances. Something of an anti-corruption committee in boxing. Easier to review 3 people at a time than the whole media.

I also think many of these judges are not necessarily "paid off" by a promoter, they are just pro big money in their mindset and that's why they pull toward money fighters.

Also there seem to be stylistic bias with many judges, they tend to overrate occasional, flashy, clean shots and underrate consistent work on the inside where the punches don't always look that clean.

 

[Yuzo]

I see your point, what I think would be for best though is to create a commission that strictly monitors the judges and their performances. Something of an anti-corruption committee in boxing. Easier to review 3 people at a time than the whole media.

thats a cabal. you cant have one secret group monitoring another secret group. theres no transparency there. theres no accountability there. press row scoring would be the closest thing to a democratic republic system that could be created, because unlike judges, or judges of judges, they can be held accountable in the court of public opinion.

 

[patscorpio]

Good. I'm much more interested in Briedis vs Dorticos than Briedis vs Glowacki.
Briedis is definitely a dirty mfer (a dirty cop ) but in that fight Glowacki did his fair amount of fouls too he just ended up the one getting slept by the end. He landed a rabbit punch with the power of a legit power punch then he got elbowed and while that elbow was a blatant foul he definitely tried to DQ win his way out of that fight there. I mean it was a better play than what Broner pulled against Maidana but it was still visible that he didn't go down as the result of the elbow, wasn't a natural reaction of his body but him figuring out after 2 seconds that he can run with this.

Then he knocked Glowacki down and hurt him BAD, then they didn't stop at the bell but it didn't seem like Glowacki was about to stop either, they both consensually continued to throw.

Then he knocked Glowacki out in the next round.

So while it was definitely unprofessional and dirty, Glowacki is no saint himself and I don't think he got knocked out because any of those circumstances. Briedis just had his number.

I hope he knocks out boring ass jab and grab Okolie though

it was a fukkery classic...the youngbreh okolie is going for a world title...we need an igbo world champion..igbo bu eze ..hopefully you can put it on the dorticos-briedis final as a co main