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[patscorpio]

I didn’t even know the fight might not happen lmao, WBSS fukkery never ends

shyt ive been waiting for them to announce the CW final for a min lol

 

[reservoirdogs]

the argument is you claiming Haney cant get Loma based on an imaginary fight you say Loma has lined up.

He can't get Loma because politically he's not aligned with Arum and Arum made sure Loma won't be forced to fight Haney anytime soon, only gonna fight Haney if he chooses to. That was all that WBC franchise shyt about. Not available = they can't make it happen now.
Sorry if I'm rude here but I don't know what's so hard to understand in this. Boxing politics...

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

He surprised me not getting ko'ed. .he's getting ko'ed tonight...brutally

Shiiiieeet, He surprised me by kicking dude's ass


him not getting knocked out was surprising already, but to actually be dominant took it to the next level.

Chisora better perform tonight since he was talking all that shyt. He can't let a dude like Price shut him up.

 

[Black_Jesus]

He can't get Loma because politically he's not aligned with Arum and Arum made sure Loma won't be forced to fight Haney anytime soon, only gonna fight Haney if he chooses to. That was all that WBC franchise shyt about. Not available = they can't make it happen now.
Sorry if I'm rude here but I don't know what's so hard to understand in this. Boxing politics...

You're using the phrase "boxing politics" instead of just calling it what it is.. DUCKING LOL
Loma wasn't forced to fight Campbell.. Loma isnt forced to fight the winner of Commy/Lopez..

You said it yourself

Loma won't be forced to fight Haney anytime soon, only gonna fight Haney if he chooses to

There's nothing stopping Loma from fighting Haney next but Loma.. The franchise champuon is offered to fighters who wanna avoid their mandatory

 

[reservoirdogs]

You're using the phrase "boxing politics" instead of just calling it what it is.. DUCKING LOL
Loma wasn't forced to fight Campbell.. Loma isnt forced to fight the winner of Commy/Lopez..

You said it yourself

There's nothing stopping Loma from fighting Haney next but Loma.. The franchise champuon is offered to fighters who wanna avoid their mandatory

ehh in Canelo's case I think it was rather, they wanted to make a favor to everyone, Canelo is not ducking Charlo, he's taking a tougher fight now.

With Loma... I don't think he is scared of anyone at 135, he has too good of a resume to suggest that, with that said Haney got jobbed out of his mandatory shot and I hope Lomachenko will fight him after he fought the Commey vs Lopez winner. I can't fault him for going for the 4 belts first but after that it would be only right if he would give Haney his shot.
I would root for Haney to win too as he's my favorite young fighter so if you think I'm trying to bagatelle his situation you're wrong.
I just don't blame Loma as much as Arum for this, I don't think Lomachenko came out with the idea that he wants to be a franchise champion. Arum saw a shortcut and he took it. Only my opinion though as I didn't see it.

 

[Black_Jesus]

ehh in Canelo's case I think it was rather, they wanted to make a favor to everyone, Canelo is not ducking Charlo, he's taking a tougher fight now.

With Loma... I don't think he is scared of anyone at 135, he has too good of a resume to suggest that, with that said Haney got jobbed out of his mandatory shot and I hope Lomachenko will fight him after he fought the Commey vs Lopez winner. I can't fault him for going for the 4 belts first but after that it would be only right if he would give Haney his shot.
I would root for Haney to win too as he's my favorite young fighter so if you think I'm trying to bagatelle his situation you're wrong.
I just don't blame Loma as much as Arum for this, I don't think Lomachenko came out with the idea that he wants to be a franchise champion. Arum saw a shortcut and he took it. Only my opinion though as I didn't see it.

LOL.. How can he be going after the four belts when he just dropped one of his belts to avoid a mandatory..

Im sure you are a fan of Haney.. Im not saying you're not but why you making all these paragraph long excuses for Loma???.. He's ducking.. He wont be the first to do this or the last...
Its no different than when Canelo 1st won the WBC belt and didnt wanna face his mandatory ggg right away and he vacated.. If the WBC instead made Canelo the franchise champ back then would you or anybody else giving Loma a pass be making the same excuses for Canelo then?? No you would not

 

[reservoirdogs]

LOL.. How can he be going after the four belts when he just dropped one of his belts to avoid a mandatory..

Im sure you are a fan of Haney.. Im not saying you're not but why you making all these paragraph long excuses for Loma???.. He's ducking.. He wont be the first to do this or the last...
Its no different than when Canelo 1st won the WBC belt and didnt wanna face his mandatory ggg right away and he vacated.. If the WBC instead made Canelo the franchise champ back then would you or anybody else giving Loma a pass be making the same excuses for Canelo then?? No you would not

Nah, the franchise stuff is a promotion like WBA Super just for WBC, Loma vs the winner of Commey vs Lopez will be for undisputed. WBC president said this too.
I'm not excusing anyone, I'm just usually a good judge of character and while I'm not happy with them jobbing Haney out of his mando shot I also think Loma is a stand-up guy who doesn't shy away from anyone. I rather blame the promoter/team in situations like this, like the WBSS situation with Prograis where I blamed DiBella. Admittedly this is very subjective and a bit of a guessing game but it is what it is

 

[Black_Jesus]

Nah, the franchise stuff is a promotion like WBA Super just for WBC, Loma vs the winner of Commey vs Lopez will be for undisputed. WBC president said this too.

What makes you believe the WBC can dictate who is undisputed in boxing??? Per the WBCs own words.. If someone were to come along and beat Lomachenko.. They wont become the WBC champion.. They will become the wbc diamond belt champ and mandatory for the legit WBC champ which is Haney.. How is this possible if you really believe the Franchise tag is an elevation..

Also.. As I mentioned the other day.. The WBA, WBO. IBF, Dont recognize that franchise tag bullshyt either.. And you have to be recognized as champ by the 4 major sanctioning bodies to become undisputed.. The Super WBA is recognized so no its not the same.. And if you beat the Super champ then you become the super champ

Its crazy to me how the WBC has convinced stupid motherfukkas that the franchise tag is some sort of elevation

 

[The Ruler 09]

Loma can't become true undisputed till he beats Haney now, the Franchise shyt is bullshyt and corrupt.

 

[reservoirdogs]

What makes you believe the WBC can dictate who is undisputed in boxing??? Per the WBCs own words.. If someone were to come along and beat Lomachenko.. They wont become the WBC champion.. They will become the diamond belt champ.. How is this possible if you really believe the Franchise tag is an elevation..

Also.. As I mentioned the other day.. The WBA, WBO. IBF, Dont recognize that franchise tag bullshyt either.. And you have to be recognized as champ by the 4 major sanctioning bodies to become undisputed.. The Super WBA is recognized so no its not the same.. And if you beat the Super champ then you become the super champ

Its crazy to me how the WBC has convinced stupid motherfukkas that the franchise tag is some sort of elevation

Well that's what he said, I guess at the end of the day whatever how big BS they pulled they decide which one of their belts ranks higher.
The only exception recently was at 130 where I recognized Machado and later Cancio as the true WBA champ, not Davis, cause Cancio beat Machado who beat Corrales.
In both Canelo's and Loma's case they were the guys who beat the previous WBC champion so I'm not sweating about them not being champions.
It's definitely confusing but to my understanding, this franchise tag is rather a promotion and unfair amount of protection and not a demotion.
I want Haney to collect all the belts though I can only hope he will get his chance to do so.

 

[reservoirdogs]

fukking state of things though that by 2019 these fukking ABC bodies managed that even undisputed is not clear anymore in some instances.

 

[Black_Jesus]

Its a demotion 100%.. The WBC is just trying to trick stupid fans

 

[Bigblackted4]

Nah, the franchise stuff is a promotion like WBA Super just for WBC, Loma vs the winner of Commey vs Lopez will be for undisputed. WBC president said this too.
I'm not excusing anyone, I'm just usually a good judge of character and while I'm not happy with them jobbing Haney out of his mando shot I also think Loma is a stand-up guy who doesn't shy away from anyone. I rather blame the promoter/team in situations like this, like the WBSS situation with Prograis where I blamed DiBella. Admittedly this is very subjective and a bit of a guessing game but it is what it is

So how the fukk isn’t Wilder Franchise champ already with 10 defenses

 

[Bigblackted4]

Well that's what he said, I guess at the end of the day whatever how big BS they pulled they decide which one of their belts ranks higher.
The only exception recently was at 130 where I recognized Machado and later Cancio as the true WBA champ, not Davis, cause Cancio beat Machado who beat Corrales.
In both Canelo's and Loma's case they were the guys who beat the previous WBC champion so I'm not sweating about them not being champions.
It's definitely confusing but to my understanding, this franchise tag is rather a promotion and unfair amount of protection and not a demotion.
I want Haney to collect all the belts though I can only hope he will get his chance to do so.

That Tank, Machado, and Cancio saga was some of the biggest bulllshyt I’ve seen.

 

[reservoirdogs]

So how the fukk isn’t Wilder Franchise champ already with 10 defenses

He will become one if they see the purpose of it and ask the WBC to do it. If someone who they don’t want gets to be Wilder’s mando they will just request it and get it. Right now they have no need for it.