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The Ruler 09

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Forgot about Pulev man can’t wait to see him get KOed out of the division

If Pulev gets over his issues then could likely be AJ's next fight. He has to start facing some of these mandatory's to get them out of the way. With 3 belts that's a lot of obligations, makes his choices more limited.
 

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I don't know where that notion comes from. Wilder for most of his career hasn't been that popular at all. Even now his last fight only sold 6000 tickets and did under a million viewers on non PPV. Even in his biggest fight thus far against another big name in Fury they only sold 325 thousand PPV's max (I heard it was lower though). AJ has already outsold Wilder's last gate significantly in his first fight on U.S soil, over 1900 tickets sold, more people worldwide should watch the fight also. The revenue will also be a HUGE amount more due to the prices of the tickets. So AJ in his first fight is already outperfoming Wilder who's been in the U.S his whole career, also AJ will fight in U.S again, there's other U.S heavyweights that can build themselves up that AJ can fight there if Wilder won't accept the offers. Some good ones too, it all depends on their progression. AJ is a superstar, people really love him, he has quite a diverse fanbase, he has the support system with his team behind him too, he could be a huge superstar in U.S, he isn't quite there yet because he hasn't touched that market yet, but that's what this event tomorrow is about, to start that process. If Wilder loses his star fades, he won't have that aura anymore or be able to talk shyt. It's true he would still be a big star, but who will Wilder be fighting if he loses to Fury? And who is gonna pay for it? He won't have a belt anymore, I don't think people are gonna support him fighting bums anymore, because he's on a higher level than those bums clearly, he'd be desperate for the AJ fight if he loses but then it will ALL be on AJ's teams terms, he won't have any bargaining power whatsoever, the belt is what gives him the power in the negotiations, they want that belt bad, if he doesn't have it they could easily let Wilder do his thing, and they could do theirs which is significantly bigger historically than what Wilder does. He may accept a low flat fee out of pure desperation and just the shot of knocking AJ out (which is possible) but should he do that he could risk losing like 80 million or some shyt. The offer would be a fraction of what it's worth now, for that reason I hope Wilder wins, because I want to see the AJ vs Wilder fight untainted, such a big fight potentially.

You know that Hearn partner bought tickets early and is now giving two for one deals right. Also who is the more viral fighter. Ticket sales in the US mean nothing if you “ have 8000 brits coming over”.

What AJ does have is a better promoter who will can come out and say anything and people like you will believe it.

Wilder next two fights are against high level top 5 opponents so it doesn’t matter what happened in the past that’s 4 out of 5 last fights against top 5 opponents.

All in all I think all roads will eventually lead to us paying 100 dollars for Wilder vs AJ on American PPV in May of 2021. This is the last time I’ll comment on that fight because it isn’t happening anytime soon. It’s a fairytale fight that we want but won’t be getting. Hopefully the fights they actually have are great.
 

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You know that Hearn partner bought tickets early and is now giving two for one deals right. Also who is the more viral fighter. Ticket sales in the US mean nothing if you “ have 8000 brits coming over”.

What AJ does have is a better promoter who will can come out and say anything and people like you will believe it.

Wilder next two fights are against high level top 5 opponents so it doesn’t matter what happened in the past that’s 4 out of 5 last fights against top 5 opponents.

All in all I think all roads will eventually lead to us paying 100 dollars for Wilder vs AJ on American PPV in May of 2021. This is the last time I’ll comment on that fight because it isn’t happening anytime soon. It’s a fairytale fight that we want but won’t be getting. Hopefully the fights they actually have are great.

In all the metrics that matter AJ. Makes more money, sells more tickets, gets more viewers, even has higher social media numbers by a significant amount. And I do think it matters still because he's outselling Wilder in his own county and also if there's Brits coming over too that's only a positive thing, that shows what a dedicated and loyal fan base he has. Wilder can't even get that kind of support in his own country let alone abroad.

But yeah man, makes sense, fight isn't happening now which is a shame but at least Fury vs Wilder will be entertaining, that could be a huge fight the 2nd time and raise Wilder's profile even more if he wins.
 

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:wow: you are clearly a lying homosexual..
Prove Wilder Brazeale only sold 6k tickets?? Or do you just quote proven liar Eddie Hearn.. Who continues to lie on Wilder but stupid motherfukkas still wonder why Wilder put them fags on ignore

16,533 is the record (Thurman-Garcia), Wilder vs Breazeale had like 13,181 going against the NBA playoffs.
Deontay Wilder Demolishes Breazeale in One Round

You ain't never gonna convince these people otherwise.
 

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I said this on the podcast last night, and I'll say it again. Ryan Garcia shouldn't even be mentioned with the other 3.

I'll use the comparison with my favorite soda again: Orange Soda

Sunkist >> Crush > Fanta >>>>>> Minute Maid

Ryan Garcia is the Minute Maid in this equation. Straight :trash: and shouldn't be mentioned with the other 3.

Shakur to me is the Sunkist in this equation, the clear cut best. Haney and Teofimo are jockeying for position; but I'd put Teofimo 2nd with Haney just right behind.

Although I'm very high on Teofimo, I do believe of the those 3, he is the biggest boom or bust prospect. Very high ceiling, but a very low floor as well. If this were the NBA/NFL Draft, he'd be that Top 5/10 pick that could be a star, but could also bottom out and be out the league n 4 or 5 years.

Shakur to me is like a can't miss prospect. He's like a Zion Williamson or a Sam Darnold in that even if he never reaches his full potential, he's still going to have a long/productive career. Multiple time All-Star (Champion) in the making
I'm not seeing it with Shakur. Honestly none of these prospects do anything for me.
 

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Wilder outmanuevering Hearn.
Not if he ends up losing to Fury. And I think he will. It’s a pity cause I really wanted to see AJ vs Wilder for all the belts and as of now Wilder is still unbeaten on paper if not in most people’s mind.

It is what it is though it seems like this gamble worths for both the ESPN and the PBC sides. One will crash the other will try to jockey itself into a position on the back of winning thos fight to dictate the terms to a possible, following Joshua fight. Idk if it’s gonna happen cause at this point Joshua is still generating a lot more revenue than either Fury or Wilder hence he earns a lot more money too and doubt thar this will change because of Fury vs Wilder 2. We’re getting a very good fight though so no complaints about that.

I don’t think that they wanna make Joshua irrelevant, they know that with 3 belts and the mainstream success he already has that won’t happen, and it’s a huge money fight atm they don’t want that to change cause later in the who knows how far future they want to eat off of that too. However the winner of Fury vs Wilder 2 will be in a better position in the negotiations than now, the loser will be in a lot worse.

If this gamble worths to them then so be it I just hope they won’t kill time with a rubber match in case of a definitive outcome but go an finally secure that Joshua fight, idc where, whoever pays the most for it should stage it. If it’s ESPN then there, DAZN then there, in case Wilder beats Fury the same but Showtime/FOX or DAZN.
I have some doubts over Fury vs AJ though... It’s Warren and Hearn who would have to work together afterall. Guess that fight would be in the UK if it would happen, BT and Sky can do co-ppv but idk about the US broadcaster.
 

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Haney
Stevenson
Lopez
Ryan Garcia

That's how i see those young 4 ranked at the moment
If we only looking at US prospects now then maybe Ortiz and Ennis can be added too.

Ryan Garcia is def. at last place right now but he can improve a lot, hiring Canelo’s trainers was a good move for that I guess, they have a very fresh experience of how to improve greatly a still green prospect theough the years.

Lopez is talented but maybe relies too much on athleticism, what I mean Idk what’s gonna happen when that won’t work. Against bigger guys for example if he moves up (not really a big 135-er as I saw. Also there’s no guarantee he gonna cope well mentally with a possibly humiliating loss against Loma.

Shakur and Haney are the most skilled imo and I put Haney on the first place because he seems all about business out of ring too. He might strike the same balance as Floyd later, living a celebrity life (so he can gain mainstream exposure... see his Blacc Chyna shyt already) and being a gym rat at the same time.
Stevenson is very talented too but I’m a bit worried he’s gonna spiral down because of legal issues, he got into a few troubles already, he needs to cut that out.
 

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from the home of coca-cola, i'm not referring to s
nikkas getting happy over a rematch that's set for NEXT year, when we still have 6 MONTHS left in this year for boxing. :mjlol:

God forbid boxers start fighting 3x a year.

Fury/Wilder should be happening in December so we can start the new year on some NEW shyt. :snoop:

You’ll be watching both fights.. So appreciate boxing and quit complaining
 

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yeah i got around to listening to yll podcast, been listening for a minute. where you rank vergil?

He's up there but I must admit I need to watch more of him. I saw and remember that KO of Herrera recently which was BRUTAL. Granted Herrera is washed but it was still impressive. He climbing up that WBO ranking too :ufdup:
 

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You’ll be watching both fights.. So appreciate boxing and quit complaining

I'm not complaining and yeah I will watch it since I'm a boxing fan.

All I'm saying is this shyt is nothing to be excited for when this year is only half way over. fukking anything can happen between now and then. We in June talking about a fight that nikkas wanted this year that's gonna happen next year. :mjlol:

2019 has been so weak that we :blessed: for fight announcements for next year. Year barely half way done. Ain't like this is Oct or Nov. We in June talking about a confirming a rematch.

Fury can back out or lose or find a new plug, just like Ortiz can bomb out Wilder in their rematch and then what. Hell, Fury already backing outta the fight with Whyte for some made up glittery belt he asked for. At this rate, we can't believe these nikkas until fight week or the ring walk.

Just my two cents. Don't let me steal your joy breh.
 
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