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So DAZN have offered Wlad a £60M/$78M, 3 fight deal



Wilder's reply:

Wilder was asked recently if he would face Klitschko should the former heavyweight champion come back.

The Bronze Bomber replied: “Na. We’ll still have to see what he does, let him get back in and build him up.

"Look, Klitschko, when he fought [Anthony] Joshua, he was out for two years and he came back and lost the stuff so he got to build himself back up.

“He can only live off his name for so long. You get to the point where [you’re no longer] that fighter that you used to be.

“I can’t say used to be somebody because he’s still somebody, he’s still Klitschko, he did amazing things in his career and you can never take that back.

“Even when I went to camp with him I learned a lot of things from him. So you can never take that from him.

“But the fighting scene, when you come back, you gotta build yourself back up. Especially against someone like me, because I’m coming in for the kill. I ain’t playing around with nobody."


After Wilder beat him, I clearly recall a few Coli posters saying King Kong was better than Wlad and Wlad was a weak champion in a weak era. Should be easy money and another name on the resume, right? Especially coming out of retirement and him "no longer the fighter that he used to be". :mjgrin:



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So DAZN have offered Wlad a £60M/$78M, 3 fight deal



Wilder's reply:




After Wilder beat him, I clearly recall a few Coli posters saying King Kong was better than Wlad and Wlad was a weak champion in a weak era. Should be easy money and another name on the resume, right? Especially coming out of retirement and him "no longer the fighter that he used to be". :mjgrin:



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Unpopular opinion but if Klitscko turns up in the form he was against Joshua he has a very good shot at beating Wilder. Of course 2 years passed since so who knows if he can reproduce that now... probably not?
I still doN't think Wilder is as good as many hype him up to be. Still the most vulnerable top HW out of the top 3. Klitschko's chin was never his strength to put it mildly but who to say he won't be the first to land on Wilder? Has the better technique and Wilder leaves himself wide open, unlike with Fury or I'd say even Ortiz, it only takes one good straight right or left hook from Klitschko to sleep someone, power goes last.

He wasn't the same fighter he used to be even against Jennings or Fury, he passed his prime by then. Fury's style probably always gave him problems but who fought him wasn't the prime Kitschko anymore.
And yes he was a champ of a weak era, but I think this era is similarly weak at the top just more exciting cause there are no twins who won't fight each other at the top of the division (well they may never fight each other anyway and we only got Fury vs Wilder from this generation so there's that...) and the second rate guys are somewhat better, more exciting and more in numbers now than in the late 00's.
I'd take the prime Wlad over Ortiz easily, over Joshua a little hesitantly, over Wilder fairly confidently and with Fury it would be even money or giving the slight edge to Fury due to the styles. With Vitali I'd take his prime version over any of these HWs today.

I think Fury is the most likely candidate from today's HWs to be on the level of the prime Klitschkos due to his high boxing IQ, Joshua has a chance too cause at 29 imo he can still improve and Wilder has the least chance at 33, I don't think he is or will be in the same league as a prime Wladimir or Vitali.
 

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Unpopular opinion but if Klitscko turns up in the form he was against Joshua he has a very good shot at beating Wilder. Of course 2 years passed since so who knows if he can reproduce that now... probably not?

The thing is, outside of some delusional stans, I don't think this is actually an unpopular opinion

I still doN't think Wilder is as good as many hype him up to be. Still the most vulnerable top HW out of the top 3. Klitschko's chin was never his strength to put it mildly but who to say he won't be the first to land on Wilder? Has the better technique and Wilder leaves himself wide open, unlike with Fury or I'd say even Ortiz, it only takes one good straight right or left hook from Klitschko to sleep someone, power goes last.

Clearly the most vulnerable, although I'll give Wilder credit for clearly improving with every fight. At this point, I'd have him as a favorite vs the second rate guys like Povetkin, Parker etc, whereas before, I would have picked against him. The only people I'm confident would beat him going forward is Joshua and in shape Fury. I personally think Wilder vs Whyte and Joyce would be entertaining but that's another discussion

He wasn't the same fighter he used to be even against Jennings or Fury, he passed his prime by then. Fury's style probably always gave him problems but who fought him wasn't the prime Kitschko anymore.
And yes he was a champ of a weak era, but I think this era is similarly weak at the top just more exciting cause there are no twins who won't fight each other at the top of the division (well they may never fight each other anyway and we only got Fury vs Wilder from this generation so there's that...) and the second rate guys are somewhat better, more exciting and more in numbers now than in the late 00's.
I'd take the prime Wlad over Ortiz easily, over Joshua a little hesitantly, over Wilder fairly confidently and with Fury it would be even money or giving the slight edge to Fury due to the styles.

With Vitali I'd take his prime version over any of these HWs today. I think Fury is the most likely candidate from today's HWs to be on the level of the prime Klitschkos due to his high boxing IQ, Joshua has a chance too cause at 29 imo he is still improving and Wilder has the least chance at 33, I don't think he is or will be in the same league as a prime Wladimir or Vitali.

All facts, I made that sarcastic Ortiz comment because I still can't believe the levels of blind stannery I read after Wilder vs Ortiz. I can't believe Ortiz > Wlad was a discussion for more than 2 posts.
 

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I just find it funny that pulev has been around for a good min but this is what gets him mainstream attention:russ:

I just find it tiring how the thing which started this, Pulev kissing that reporter can turn so many people into total nutjobs on social media. He is neither a monster nor a fukking hero for it. Just another stage where the super PC, "an unwelcome kiss is rape" idiots can clash with the men's social club "so alpha doe" idiots.
If seeing an unwelcome (?) kiss makes you go 0 or 100 on a person the problem is with you.

Did he get mainstream attention though? Isn't it just the boxing circles?
 

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I just find it funny that pulev has been around for a good min but this is what gets him mainstream attention:russ:
I just find it tiring how the thing which started this, Pulev kissing that reporter can turn so many people into total nutjobs on social media. He is neither a monster nor a fukking hero for it. Just another stage where the super PC, "an unwelcome kiss is rape" idiots can clash with the men's social club "so alpha doe" idiots.
If seeing an unwelcome (?) kiss makes you go 0 or 100 on a person the problem is with you.

Did he get mainstream attention though? Isn't it just the boxing circles?
Even legit reporters are getting harassed over this shyt:picard:


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