Showtime aint shyt these days; nobody paying for showtime when majority of pbc cards are on other channels
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Showtime aint shyt these days; nobody paying for showtime when majority of pbc cards are on other channels
It was a good card...but was filled with nothing but fighters that only hardcores care about.
Pretty Boy Floyd really wanna serve up Tank to Pretty Boy Loma....be my guest
Another Champ on the TBT's (The Best Today) resume is perfectly fine with me
#PrettyBoys
He lying or is either shook; of course its talk at this point both have to win their next fight before paperwork is invovled
Wonder how their sparring sessions went if Floyd feels he' may be ready for Loma
Naw this a showtime issue......
what other channels? all the big and best PBC cards these days are on Showtime...no one but the hardcores are watching the PBC cards on FS1 or Bounce..Fox is the only big channel left that airs PBC fights and they get that lackluster cards
These days key word.....You cant change up two years of momentum instantly and not expect a shift or change.....Those big fights were on Fox, Spike and all then
yeah i never understood why all that money was spent airing those cards on those channels only to take them back to Showtime, a pay channel. this is why i say the original scope and goal of PBC is a failure
I just dont see no skill on the kid
pbc is just operating under showtime these days, they aint got nothing shaking on other channels
for the coli i would, can bring the knowledge of the UK fighters you guys might not know much aboutcoming out of retirement breh?
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Would be interested in hear you hear about, Breadman says he hears rumors all the time that he thinks are legit, but won't name anyone until they test positive. Sometimes its just nice to hear "rumors" for something to look for or speculate about. Sure a shytload of fighters are using, just like every other professional sport.And again, Canelo is not the only one on gears either
Also, heard anything on Floyd-Conor?
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Cintron Blasts Ex-Foe Canelo, Aims For Trilogy With Margarito
By Lyle Fitzsimmons
Add another former opponent to the list of those ripping Canelo Alvarez.
Former welterweight title claimant Kermit Cintron, beaten in a bid for Alvarez’s 154-pound belt in 2011, believes the red-haired Mexican’s recent travails are likely indicative of longer-term infractions.
Gennady Golovkin said last month that Alvarez’s muscles had “traces of injections” when the two men fought as middleweights last September, and former Nevada senator Harry Reid said last week that Floyd Mayweather was concerned Canelo was “on something” before their 154-pound bout in 2013.
“Every top athlete seems to be getting caught with some kind of PED,” Cintron said. “If he got caught once, I'm sure he's been doing it for most of his career. Just like Margacheato.”
“Margacheato,” for those somehow unaware, is Cintron’s oft-repeated moniker for two-time for Antonio Margarito – whose reputation was forever trashed after he was caught with tampered hand wraps prior to a bout with Shane Mosley in 2009. Margarito had stopped Cintron twice, in 2005 and 2008, retaining his WBO 147-pound crown in fight No. 1 and taking Cintron’s IBF crown in the rematch.
Margarito lost to Mosley and was subsequently beaten by Manny Pacquiao (UD 12) and Miguel Cotto (TKO 9) in title fights at 154 pounds. He was inactive for more than four years before returning in 2016 and stringing together defeats of Jorge Paez Jr. (UD 10), Ramon Alvarez (SD 10) and Carson Jones (TD 7).
Cintron is hoping Canelo’s penalty is substantial and severe.
“A fighter should get a two-year suspension,” he said. “His excuse was just as bad as a kid telling the teacher that the dog ate the homework. He was caught red-handed cheating. A suspension in Nevada doesn't mean anything because he can fight in Mexico. Having one commission in boxing is what needs.
“I honestly didn't think too much of him when I fought him. He was a lot faster than I expected but wasn't as strong as people make him to be. I rate Sergio Martinez over him skill-wise.”
Alvarez weighed 139 pounds when he turned pro as a 15-year-old in 2005 and was up to 151 pounds for a match less than two years later. He weighed 151½ for his first title fight in 2011, weighed 152 against Mayweather in 2013 and tipped in at a career-high 164 to defeat Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. in 2017.
Against Golovkin last summer, he was 160 pounds.
“If you look at the likes of De La Hoya, Hopkins, Trinidad, Cotto, Jones Jr., Hearns, who all started at a lighter weight and went up a few weight classes,” Cintron said, “their bodies never looked any better than when they were at the weights where they started. They all were in great shape but never looked ripped and with more muscle. Those guys to me are legit.
“None of them had to cheat to be the top, best fighters in the world. Now every top fighter, athlete seems to be cheating. I just fight. I know I'm a legit clean fighter. I don't need to cheat to be the best. I take my vitamins to be healthy and stay healthy. At the end of the day I will leave the sport knowing I became a world champion as a clean fighter.”
But before that day comes, he’s got some resume clean-up he’d like to do.
Cintron said he asked his promoter to reach out to Margarito’s team about a third match between the rivals and claimed “both sides are in agreement” to get it done. It’s still an iffy proposition at best – pending money and other factors – but could happen in June or July, perhaps in Florida.
The “Sunshine State” has been career-defining territory for Cintron, who stopped David Estrada (TKO 10) in Palm Beach in April 2006 and defeated Mark Suarez (TKO 6) there to win the IBF championship six months later. He drew with Sergio Martinez over 12 rounds in Sunrise on Valentine’s Day 2009, then outpointed Alfredo Angulo at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino that September.
Cintron is 8-4-2 with a no-contest in 15 fights since, including a technical decision loss to Paul Williams, a desultory 10-round disappointment against Carlos Molina – both in Carson, California – and the aforementioned TKO by Canelo in Mexico City. The no-contest came in his most recent outing in February, when a cut from an accidental butt ended matters against Marquis Taylor in the third round.
“Sergio was the best fighter I fought, and I’d say my best performance was the Sergio Martinez fight,” he said. “One thing people can't take away from me is that everyone I fought was in their prime. I didn't fight an old Martinez like Cotto did. I didn't fight an old Angulo like Canelo did. I didn't fight a beat-up Paul Williams like Martinez did, etc.”
He conceded the Williams fight is one that still gnaws at him eight years later. Cintron swept the first three rounds on one scorecard against a 26-year-old version of Williams – who arrived at 38-1 with 27 knockouts – but saw the fight abruptly end in the fourth when Williams fell to the canvas and Cintron went through the ropes all the way to the floor following a tie-up in the ring.
Cintron exited the stadium on a stretcher. He lost a split decision thanks to California rules that stated, even though the fourth round had barely begun, the fight was official and the segment needed to be scored. Judge Jerry Cantu had Cintron up, 40-36, but was overruled by James Jen Kin and Fritz Werner, who had it 40-36 and 39-37 for Williams.
HBO’s Jim Lampley, calling the fight from ringside, said it “doesn’t seem like enough of a fight for Williams to have earned a victory. But that’s the way the rules work here in California.”
Cintron agrees.
“(Williams) was saved by Al Haymon that night,” he said. “It's a fight that bothers me, but I moved on. I moved on from all my losses. Losses that I should have never lost.
“I would just like a third fight with (Margarito) and call it a day in my career.”
By Lyle Fitzsimmons
Add another former opponent to the list of those ripping Canelo Alvarez.
Former welterweight title claimant Kermit Cintron, beaten in a bid for Alvarez’s 154-pound belt in 2011, believes the red-haired Mexican’s recent travails are likely indicative of longer-term infractions.
Gennady Golovkin said last month that Alvarez’s muscles had “traces of injections” when the two men fought as middleweights last September, and former Nevada senator Harry Reid said last week that Floyd Mayweather was concerned Canelo was “on something” before their 154-pound bout in 2013.
“Every top athlete seems to be getting caught with some kind of PED,” Cintron said. “If he got caught once, I'm sure he's been doing it for most of his career. Just like Margacheato.”
“Margacheato,” for those somehow unaware, is Cintron’s oft-repeated moniker for two-time for Antonio Margarito – whose reputation was forever trashed after he was caught with tampered hand wraps prior to a bout with Shane Mosley in 2009. Margarito had stopped Cintron twice, in 2005 and 2008, retaining his WBO 147-pound crown in fight No. 1 and taking Cintron’s IBF crown in the rematch.
Margarito lost to Mosley and was subsequently beaten by Manny Pacquiao (UD 12) and Miguel Cotto (TKO 9) in title fights at 154 pounds. He was inactive for more than four years before returning in 2016 and stringing together defeats of Jorge Paez Jr. (UD 10), Ramon Alvarez (SD 10) and Carson Jones (TD 7).
Cintron is hoping Canelo’s penalty is substantial and severe.
“A fighter should get a two-year suspension,” he said. “His excuse was just as bad as a kid telling the teacher that the dog ate the homework. He was caught red-handed cheating. A suspension in Nevada doesn't mean anything because he can fight in Mexico. Having one commission in boxing is what needs.
“I honestly didn't think too much of him when I fought him. He was a lot faster than I expected but wasn't as strong as people make him to be. I rate Sergio Martinez over him skill-wise.”
Alvarez weighed 139 pounds when he turned pro as a 15-year-old in 2005 and was up to 151 pounds for a match less than two years later. He weighed 151½ for his first title fight in 2011, weighed 152 against Mayweather in 2013 and tipped in at a career-high 164 to defeat Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. in 2017.
Against Golovkin last summer, he was 160 pounds.
“If you look at the likes of De La Hoya, Hopkins, Trinidad, Cotto, Jones Jr., Hearns, who all started at a lighter weight and went up a few weight classes,” Cintron said, “their bodies never looked any better than when they were at the weights where they started. They all were in great shape but never looked ripped and with more muscle. Those guys to me are legit.
“None of them had to cheat to be the top, best fighters in the world. Now every top fighter, athlete seems to be cheating. I just fight. I know I'm a legit clean fighter. I don't need to cheat to be the best. I take my vitamins to be healthy and stay healthy. At the end of the day I will leave the sport knowing I became a world champion as a clean fighter.”
But before that day comes, he’s got some resume clean-up he’d like to do.
Cintron said he asked his promoter to reach out to Margarito’s team about a third match between the rivals and claimed “both sides are in agreement” to get it done. It’s still an iffy proposition at best – pending money and other factors – but could happen in June or July, perhaps in Florida.
The “Sunshine State” has been career-defining territory for Cintron, who stopped David Estrada (TKO 10) in Palm Beach in April 2006 and defeated Mark Suarez (TKO 6) there to win the IBF championship six months later. He drew with Sergio Martinez over 12 rounds in Sunrise on Valentine’s Day 2009, then outpointed Alfredo Angulo at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino that September.
Cintron is 8-4-2 with a no-contest in 15 fights since, including a technical decision loss to Paul Williams, a desultory 10-round disappointment against Carlos Molina – both in Carson, California – and the aforementioned TKO by Canelo in Mexico City. The no-contest came in his most recent outing in February, when a cut from an accidental butt ended matters against Marquis Taylor in the third round.
“Sergio was the best fighter I fought, and I’d say my best performance was the Sergio Martinez fight,” he said. “One thing people can't take away from me is that everyone I fought was in their prime. I didn't fight an old Martinez like Cotto did. I didn't fight an old Angulo like Canelo did. I didn't fight a beat-up Paul Williams like Martinez did, etc.”
He conceded the Williams fight is one that still gnaws at him eight years later. Cintron swept the first three rounds on one scorecard against a 26-year-old version of Williams – who arrived at 38-1 with 27 knockouts – but saw the fight abruptly end in the fourth when Williams fell to the canvas and Cintron went through the ropes all the way to the floor following a tie-up in the ring.
Cintron exited the stadium on a stretcher. He lost a split decision thanks to California rules that stated, even though the fourth round had barely begun, the fight was official and the segment needed to be scored. Judge Jerry Cantu had Cintron up, 40-36, but was overruled by James Jen Kin and Fritz Werner, who had it 40-36 and 39-37 for Williams.
HBO’s Jim Lampley, calling the fight from ringside, said it “doesn’t seem like enough of a fight for Williams to have earned a victory. But that’s the way the rules work here in California.”
Cintron agrees.
“(Williams) was saved by Al Haymon that night,” he said. “It's a fight that bothers me, but I moved on. I moved on from all my losses. Losses that I should have never lost.
“I would just like a third fight with (Margarito) and call it a day in my career.”
