Chez Lopez
Neo-Abolitionist
A working knowledge of Hebrew is evidently needed to understand the bible.
Religion/Spirituality The Official Bible Study Thread
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Blessup
Souljah inna Jah Army
Esau and Jacob were 2 different nations. Didn't the bible clearly say Rebecca was pregnant with 2 different nations? It doesn't matter if they were twin brothers. The bible clearly specifies that. Esau is the nations bearing the eagle symbol. Judah/benjamin/levi is blacks that went into captivity on slave ships, the northern kingdom (BLACK) fled to the Americas BEFORE the "native indians" (people of asian decent).
Edit: Also Judah was scattered throughout ALL nations. So Yes Judah is every country...including those countries listed on the 12 tribes sign. So yes Judah is also in Jamaica, cuba, brazil, columbia, france, uk, india, etc.... ALL OVER!
ONLY BLACK PEOPLE ARE ISREALITES.
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Blessup
Souljah inna Jah Army
Yes blacks were brought to the americas on slave ships but many were already in North,South, Central America, and the Carribbean islands before indians or white people ever set foot on the land.
ReturnOfJudah
Veteran
To the ones thats saying the Native Americans aren't black. You gotta remember Jacob got 4 different women pregnant. So not all the tribes are going to look alike because the nations have different mothers. Yall looking at the Israelites like Jacob slept with one lady and all the children suppose to look the same lol
Blessup
Souljah inna Jah Army
We cant just go by Unleavened bread and fringes to say that Native Indians/Latinos are our people....They stole those customs from black aborigines. East Indians eat roti (unleavened bread) and the tribe of Zulu also traditionally wear fringes, yet yall do not consider them isrealites. South africans and australian israelites have more have more claims to being isrealites then Latinos and native indians.
Blessup
Souljah inna Jah Army
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Blessup
Souljah inna Jah Army
@blac_da_rappa
but all black people dont look the same lol. Look at things like bone structure, facial features,etc in different regions... for example a west african looks nothing like an east african... even in east africa you can easily distinguish an ethopian from a somalian, from a kenyan, etc. Most west african people can look at each other and tell which tribe is which different black people have different features.
If the 12 tribes sign is correct then how can a black negroid columbian come from the same tribe as a indio columbian? How does that make sense? How can a white cuban, be the same as a black cuban? They need to specify that its black people in those countries, just like how they specify negro in americas
Also doesn't the bible mention something about isrealite woman having issues with hair/hair growth? We all know native indian women have some of the longest hair...typically coming down to their waist. The only latino woman that have issues with their natural hair is black latino woman...they typically resort to wearing weaves just like sistas here.
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Blessup
Souljah inna Jah Army
Still getting use to using this forum. I'm learning how to quote and @ properly. lol, haven't posted in like over a year.
ReturnOfJudah
Veteran
But the nothern kingdom said "let's make a covenent with the heathen" thats 10 tribes leaving the other 2 and going off into paganism and marrying/given there kids into marriage with the heathen/white people. That's why you see so many damn light skinned indians but their natural skin color was a dark brown/red. Out here in Texas there are plenty of folks that say I can pass for a dark Mexican. So you are looking at the Mexicans that intermarried with the spaniards. Their descendants was just as black as us.
My great grandfather last name was Fernandez. Mexicans had to take the same Spaniards last name that enslaved my people. Native Americans and Mexicans was given the religion of their oppressors which is Catholic. There history have been taken from them just like ours have. They called themselves Gonzales and Reyes like we call ourself Scott and Jenkins. The same people that raided us and oppressed us did the same thing to them. And the bible prophecied the Native Americans/Mexicans will be in America with their brothers the negroes in the last days. That prophecy came to pass when we met each other once again in the Americas. The Native Anericans/Mexicans fought together against the whites trying to take over.
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Blessup
Souljah inna Jah Army
I see what your saying. but black people in the americas also range from very light to very dark. They STILL retain negro features. Also the southern kingdom also followed heathen customs as well, and thats why they were cursed the same way. Do you believe that 12 tribe sign is accurate? If so how can a indio "native indian" come from the SAME tribe as a black negro ln south america?
Your telling me that this people:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...dVevSFKO1sASWhoKIDA&tbm=isch&ved=0CDMQMygBMAE
are from the same tribe of "ashar" as these people:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...dVanzKvDbsAS68YDoAg&tbm=isch&ved=0CDQQMygAMAA
according to a typical 12 tribes sign:
https://www.google.com/search?q=12 tribes hebrew sign&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS535US535&espv=2&biw=1365&bih=902&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=eqgdVeXgHZK1sATB3oKoBA&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&dpr=0.75#imgdii=_&imgrc=TvDZKQpBosI-WM%3A;kiGMIJBTYEPvEM;http%3A%2F%2Ftherealhebrewisraelites.webs.com%2F58397_106610282731543_100001477155550_56622_2383572_n.jpg;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.therealhebrewisraelites.com%2F12tribesofisraelnow.htm;600;531
The sign alleges that columbians are people are "tribe of ashar." Do you not clearly see anything wrong with that? How can these 2 clearly different groups of people be the same tribe? Natives and Latinos are not isrealites... only the black native aborigines and the black latinos...
Also its not just about skin complexion. What about negro features? What about hair? Doesn't deuteronomy clearly mention israelite women having issue growing their hair? These Latinos/native women dont have that issue.
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ReturnOfJudah
Veteran
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_immigration_to_Cuba
In 1511, Diego Velazquez set out with three ships and an army of 300 men from Hispaniola to form the first Spanish settlement in Cuba, with orders from Spain to conquer the island. The settlement was at Baracoa, but the new settlers were to be greeted with stiff resistance from the local Taíno population. The Taínos were initially organized by cacique (chieftain) Hatuey, who had himself relocated from Hispaniola to escape the brutalities of Spanish rule on that island. After a prolonged guerrilla campaign, Hatuey and successive chieftains were captured and burnt alive, and within three years the Spanish had gained control of the island. In 1514, a settlement was founded in what was to become Havana.
Picture of Diego Velazquez
So those white/light skinned Cubans are Spaniards. In the 19th Centry the British migrated into Cuba as well. So the darker Cubans are Israelites , the light skinned Cubans are Spaniards or some other type of European.
Despite its multi-ethnic composition, the culture held in common by most Cubans is referred to as mainstreamCuban culture, a Western culture largely derived from the traditions of Western European migrants, beginning with the early Spanish settlers, along with other Europeans arriving later such as the Portuguese and French, along with West African culture which is somewhat influential despite the fact that most minority Afro-Cubans are of Haitian origin.
Look at these pics of Cubans. Some are clearly European, Some clearly are Israelites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubans
Blessup
Souljah inna Jah Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_immigration_to_Cuba
In 1511, Diego Velazquez set out with three ships and an army of 300 men from Hispaniola to form the first Spanish settlement in Cuba, with orders from Spain to conquer the island. The settlement was at Baracoa, but the new settlers were to be greeted with stiff resistance from the local Taíno population. The Taínos were initially organized by cacique (chieftain) Hatuey, who had himself relocated from Hispaniola to escape the brutalities of Spanish rule on that island. After a prolonged guerrilla campaign, Hatuey and successive chieftains were captured and burnt alive, and within three years the Spanish had gained control of the island. In 1514, a settlement was founded in what was to become Havana.
Picture of Diego Velazquez
So those white/light skinned Cubans are Spaniards. In the 19th Centry the British migrated into Cuba as well. So the darker Cubans are Israelites , the light skinned Cubans are Spaniards or some other type of European.
Despite its multi-ethnic composition, the culture held in common by most Cubans is referred to as mainstreamCuban culture, a Western culture largely derived from the traditions of Western European migrants, beginning with the early Spanish settlers, along with other Europeans arriving later such as the Portuguese and French, along with West African culture which is somewhat influential despite the fact that most minority Afro-Cubans are of Haitian origin.
Look at these pics of Cubans. Some are clearly European, Some clearly are Israelites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubans
I understand that. my point is that the sign doesn't distinguish that. The same way the sign doesn't distinguish native indians from blacks in those regions. My point is the same way a white cuban can't be a israelite, the same way a hispanic/native indian cant be an israelite. These heathens are not our people. The bible mentions these people as always dwelling amongst tho.
ReturnOfJudah
Veteran
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Colombian
Enslaved Africans first began being imported into Colombia by the Spaniards in the first decade of the 16th century. By the 1520s, Africans were being imported into Colombia steadily to replace the rapidly declining native American population.
Slavery was not abolished until 1851, and even after emancipation, the life of the African Colombians was very difficult. African Colombians were forced to live in jungle areas as a mechanism of self-protection. There, they learned to have a harmonious relationship with the jungle environment and to share the territory with Colombia's indigenous.
^^^^ Again prophecy being fulfilled that the N Kingdom and the Southern Kingdom will reunite in the Americas. When the blacks feed from Spaniards to the jungle the was living in harmony with our Northern Kingdom brother. But according to you they was oppressing us and stole our heritage.
From 1851, the Colombian State promoted the ideology of mestizaje, or miscegenation. This whitening of the African population was an attempt by the Colombian government to minimize or, if possible, totally eliminate any traces of Black African or indigenous descent among the Criollos. So in order to maintain their cultural traditions, many Africans and indigenous peoples went deep into the isolated jungles. Afro-Colombians and indigenous people were, and continue to be, the targets of the armed actors who want to displace them in order to take their lands for sugar cane plantations, for coffee and banana plantations, for mining and wood exploitation.
I have seen two different signs regarding 12 tribes breakdown and one of them was clearly wrong. I think you are looking at that incorrect sign.
Blessup
Souljah inna Jah Army
That doesn't really answer the question. That could mean Black Colombians fresh off the slave boats could have reunited with black columbians (non indian descent) already living there (meaning they sailed there before the indians and whites). That can be intrepreted in so many other ways. Also you can also say that happened, is happening here in America. Basically all tribes are in the states at this point.
Also do you mind showing me the "correct" sign? What does the "correct" sign say? Which tribe is the negroid colombians and which tribe is the indio colombians??? Does it say that they are the same tribe? If so that obviously can't be correct.
Also any conquered people have to take the last names of their oppressors...aborigines took the last names of the british, yet you don't consider them israelites. Also what about south african tribes wearing fringes? Indians eating roti? What about natives women having long hair and not fitting the hair curse for israelite women?
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ReturnOfJudah
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Indigenous peoples of the Americas
The indigenous peoples of the Americas are the pre-Columbian inhabitants of North and South America, and their descendants.
ndigenous peoples of the United States are commonly known as Native Americans or American Indians, and Alaska Natives.[25]
Now lets read the quote again
There, they learned to have a harmonious relationship with the jungle environment and to share the territory with Colombia's indigenous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_in_Colombia
^^^ This is the indigenous people that black african slaves was harmonizing with in Colombia, fleeing from their oppressors. Indigenous people the people that were here before whites came and placed them into subjection. This is the people Christopher Columbus saw when he made it to their land. Then when black slaves started fighting back they lived in the jungle with these folks.
The fake jews was conqured and they didn't take their oppressors name. The asians in vietnam was damn near destroyed by the US and the US didn't force them to take European names, take their heritage and religion, The Irish didn't take their oppressor name, didn't lose their religion and heritage. The only people that happen to was the Native Americans/Mexicans and negroes. AND THE SAME PEOPLE DID IT TO BOTH OF US AT THE SAME TIME. Fast forward today and who is Esau filling his prisons with? The same two people.
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