Essential The Official Battle Rap Random Thoughts Thread (URL, KOTD, UW etc...)

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The tv spot light added more eyes to battle rap than anything diz has done. Maybe I’m missing something. He wasn’t the only grindtime battler that made noise. I guess the canibus battle? I’m genuinely curious.
White kids love Dizaster, especially some years back. That’s essentially what he means.
 

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Not saying he should be on it but Con did birth the whole punch line battle rap lane. Or at the least made it popular.

It's definitely mook lux and verb for me with the fourth spot vacant for now. Geechi has put in work but what legendary moments or groundbreaking aspects did he bring to battle rap?
The Geechi votes is some prisoner of the moment shyt, since we are existing in his run RIGHT NOW. There’s no reason to put Gotti in there before Roc or Clips who basically had the same run but later cooled off. At some point Geechi will cool and then it’ll be easier to look back on it with better perspective.
 

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Ehh. They're definitely on my Mount Rushmore...but I can understand why Geechi and Twork and others don't have them on theirs.

It's not all about amount of battles, nobody has Dre Dennis on any lists...but putting in work has to mean something, no? Look at how many battles DNA has, I'm sure it's wayyy over 100. Aside from just the amount alone, look at who is on his resume. Then, look at how long he's been putting in work on that level. Then, factor in his skillset. Then look at his Win/Loss ratio. Then...his familiarity and how even non-hardcore battle rap fans know DNA for battle rap. DNA probably has more wins against other legends than Lux and Mook have battles in total...combined! Think about that. Same for Roc. Same for a couple others. Stuff like that has to play a huge part when considering slots for Rushmore, imo.

And in regard to Mook changing the game...I mean, Future and The Migos and some others changed the whole sound/style of Rap as we knew it. Ace Hood changed the way the whole game was flowing for a while. Chief Keef ushered in a style that the kids are still using today. Etc... Do we consider any of those people Mount Rushmore? I hear what you saying...but other things seem more important to me than that. Lux deserves his kudos for Lion's Den but I'm thinking strictly about the on-court/on-stage prowess of these guys when I'm thinking about Rushmore...the wreck. Smack, Beasley, KOTD owner dude, Subzero, Deebo, etc... should all be considered too if we going off of leagues and their impact.

Idk, to me Dizaster has to be there, it almost seems ridiculous to leave him off, all things considered. Bad Guys make the Hall of Fame too, lol. That heavy multi-syllabic, overly aggressive style that people associate with Dizaster is still out there...just because it's not at the forefront of URL right now doesn't mean it disappeared, I hear Dizaster's influence in a lot of these guys we salute today.
Putting in work is cool but y’all just want to argue quantity matters more than quality. Don’t ever confuse activity for achievement. DNA and Arsonal can have 500 battles, Lux and Mook still have had more impact with their 10-15 total battles or whatever it is.

Like Lux said to Gotti, (paraphrasing) it’s taken you 50 battles just to compare what I did with 5.

With Miles, Cal and Hollow, Lux has three of arguably the five (definitely ten) best performances of all time. Mook’s early battles set the precedent for the Smack era. DNA has had some good moments but nothing on that level. Gotti is hot right now but he hasn’t done that either.
 

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Putting in work is cool but y’all just want to argue quantity matters more than quality. Don’t ever confuse activity for achievement.

That's absolutely what I'm not doing tho, lol. That's why I mentioned Dre Dennis....and highlighted all the other "quality" things aside from just quantity with DNA/Roc/etc...

Yall are totally disregarding quantity/resume entirely it seems...you can't do that, the work matters...you can argue that it doesn't matter the most if you want to but it matters...along with Impact and views and all that. Being a game changer/innovator is huge...but imo you need Resume along with it to be Rushmore. Look at hip hop...let's be honest, a lot of game changers and innovators of something have been trash, lol
 

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That's absolutely what I'm not doing tho, lol. That's why I mentioned Dre Dennis....and highlighted all the other "quality" things aside from just quantity with DNA/Roc/etc...

Yall are totally disregarding quantity/resume entirely it seems...you can't do that, the work matters...you can argue that it doesn't matter the most if you want to but it matters...along with Impact and views and all that. Being a game changer/innovator is huge...but imo you need Resume along with it to be Rushmore. Look at hip hop...let's be honest, a lot of game changers and innovators of something have been trash, lol
It's not irrelevant but it's very low. You know in how like a credit score the most important part is utilization and payment history. That would be what influence and impact would be. Amount of battles would be like age of credit. Yeah it counts, but it don't count that much. lol.

You remove the history of DNA from Battle Rap, and very little changes. Some good battles and some good moments, but nothing pivotal.
 

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That's absolutely what I'm not doing tho, lol. That's why I mentioned Dre Dennis....and highlighted all the other "quality" things aside from just quantity with DNA/Roc/etc...

Yall are totally disregarding quantity/resume entirely it seems...you can't do that, the work matters...you can argue that it doesn't matter the most if you want to but it matters...along with Impact and views and all that. Being a game changer/innovator is huge...but imo you need Resume along with it to be Rushmore. Look at hip hop...let's be honest, a lot of game changers and innovators of something have been trash, lol

Yeah, cus

Rakim
Melle mel
Krs
Run dmc
Wu
Nwa

Was trash. :stopitslime:

I don't disagree with the idea of what your saying but it doesn't really work in battle rap, a sport where losers can have higher status than actual winners, an where dudes who battle once or twice a year can be more revered than consistent performers
 

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I literally always say this. nikkas need to go see who the 4 presidents on Mount Rushmore are and then come back. Those aren't the most popular nor best presidents ever. They are the most important (Or at least in office when the most important moments in US history happened).

Without Lux and Mook, modern battle rap doesn't even exist in this format. The same can't be said for DNA, Arsonal, Tay Roc, Verb, Hitman, etc...and not saying some of those can't arguably take a slot, but definitely not over lux and mook. that's crazy.

Yeah I was initially going to say Lux and Mook, and the other two spots are vacant. However, because I like to look at Mount Rushmore guys as endgames, I had to add Hitman. He is the endgame for performers.

if you made it to the point where you’re an endgame in battle rap, you’ve accomplished enough, that’s why I just simplify it.
 

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Yo Bonnie said she got an app deal she was trying to give to battle rappers and nikkas said it was a pyramid scheme. I guess the app is called Bigo Live. Next event is getting hosted by Remy Ma. Has anyone heard about this?
 

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The disrespect Dizaster gets from URL type fans is :russ:

Most people I know know nothing or next to nothing about battle rap, I was one of them like 3 years ago...but they'd recognize Dizaster, they'd recognize T-Rex, Arsonal, Mook, DNA, Hoffa, Hitman, Serius (somewhat). Maybe 1 or 2 others...maybe Con. Show them a picture/video of these guys and they can associate them with battle rap. That's like 75% of what qualifies you for Rushmore imo...who knows you? Could you arguably be the logo for battle rap? That type shyt.

The other 25% is your actual work. That's why I don't know if Mook and Lux are necessarily locks, they don't have enough accessible wreck...just a lot of allure behind what they were doing off-camera. If not for the Calicoe shyt, Lux wouldn't be mentioned/known nearly as much.

Geechi's list is on point...it's a little trapped in the early-mid 2000's-ish but most of us hold the luminaries of something in that regard. I think Tay Roc's name should be thrown in that mix at this point too. Verb too...I think he's awful now and even the old shyt I've watched wasn't impressive to me, but you can't front on what he did for the mid-west.

It’s okay to sit this one out.
 

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Yo Bonnie said she got an app deal she was trying to give to battle rappers and nikkas said it was a pyramid scheme. I guess the app is called Bigo Live. Next event is getting hosted by Remy Ma. Has anyone heard about this?

Bigo Live is a very popular legit streaming app. I have no idea how a pyramid scheme would work on that app.
 
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