T-K-G
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Prez! Forgot about that dagger-toothed nikka
He got caught stealing verses and having ghost writers
We not supposed to remember guys like him
you been swimming in early 2010's content for weeks
Essential The Official Battle Rap Random Thoughts Thread (URL, KOTD, UW etc...)
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He got caught stealing verses and having ghost writers
We not supposed to remember guys like him
you been swimming in early 2010's content for weeks
Prez! Forgot about that dagger-toothed nikka
He got caught stealing verses and having ghost writers
We not supposed to remember guys like him
OGBobbyJohnson
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T-K-G
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please and thank you
T-K-G
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I just asked it to explain it's thought process and break down a Murda Mook battle for fukkery's sake
here's what happened:@ReasonableMatic quote and do your highlight thing so it's easier for brehs to skim through
"Okay, let's break down how to judge a 3-round rap battle, using a real example for clarity. We'll use Murda Mook's recent battle against Nu Jerzey Twork from "Summer Madness 13" on URL, which is a fairly clear battle in terms of who won, but still provides good talking points about the judging process.
Categories for Judging
These are the main categories I consider when judging a rap battle, with a short explanation of each:
Bars/Content: This is the core of the battle. It's the strength of the lyrics:
Wordplay: How clever and intricate are the metaphors, similes, puns, and other linguistic devices?
Punchlines: How impactful and memorable are the lines intended to elicit a reaction?
Substance: Is there a narrative, a consistent theme, or interesting ideas beyond just boasts and disses?
Originality: Is the material fresh or does it sound recycled from other battles or other artists?
Delivery/Performance: How well the rapper brings their material to life:
Flow/Cadence: The rhythm and smoothness of their delivery. Do they stay on beat? Do they vary their flow to keep the audience engaged?
Stage Presence: How commanding and confident they are on stage. Do they make eye contact? Do they use the space effectively?
Performance Energy: How much passion and intensity do they project? Do they connect with the crowd?
Clarity: Can you understand the words being said?
Rebuttals/Adaptability: How well the rapper responds to their opponent's material on the fly:
Direct Rebuttals: Addressing specific lines, points, or attacks from the previous round, or even within the current round.
Improv/Freestyling: Going off the cuff to respond or add to their material.
Catching Stumbles: Whether or not they can recover well from a misstep in the material.
Crowd Reaction/Impact: While not the sole determining factor, it is important to consider how the crowd responds to each rapper:
Loudness: The raw volume of the cheers, gasps, and overall noise the rapper generates.
Meaningful Reactions: Are they just cheering random parts, or are they reacting to actual good bars and moments?
Momentum: Does the crowd's energy seem to shift noticeably between the two?
Overall Battle Impact: This is the final gut check. It is how well the rapper's performance is remembered long after the battle concludes:
Uniqueness: What makes a rapper memorable?
Consistency: Did a rapper do what they were known to do, or exceed expectations?
Murda Mook vs. Nu Jerzey Twork Breakdown (Summer Madness 13)
Let's apply these categories to the Mook vs. Twork battle.
Round 1:
Mook:
Bars/Content: Mook came out with a mix of storytelling and intricate punchlines. He focused on Twork's tendency to stumble and make mistakes in his battles. The punchlines were good, but a lot of the set up was him trying to bring up the past and it didn't land with the audience.
Delivery/Performance: Mook is smooth and his performance is deliberate. His stage presence is strong, and his flow was on point.
Rebuttals: No clear rebuttals this round, as it was a first round from both sides.
Crowd Reaction: The crowd was engaged, with a few strong reactions to some lines, but overall, fairly muted compared to later rounds.
Overall Battle Impact: Mook did not do anything memorable in the first round.
Twork:
Bars/Content: Twork came with heavy punchlines, mixed with aggression and energy. He was clear about not playing into Mook's story of him falling apart. His bars were aggressive and personal, targeting Mook's status as a veteran in the game.
Delivery/Performance: Twork’s delivery was high energy, animated, and loud. He made good use of the stage.
Rebuttals: No clear rebuttals, as it was a first round from both sides.
Crowd Reaction: The crowd was reacting extremely loudly to Twork's energy and punches.
Overall Battle Impact: Twork made a strong impact immediately that put Mook behind.
Round 1 Winner: Twork clearly won this round due to the more aggressive material, delivery, and overall crowd reaction.
Round 2:
Mook:
Bars/Content: Mook continued his theme from the first round, trying to break down Twork's mindset. He tried to add more aggression but it fell short. He did not use many intricate punches as he focused on the message.
Delivery/Performance: Mook’s flow was good, but his energy lacked compared to Twork. He had a strong stage presence, as always.
Rebuttals: No clear rebuttals.
Crowd Reaction: The crowd was much more muted to Mook than the previous round.
Overall Battle Impact: The round was not memorable at all, with most people forgetting what Mook even said.
Twork:
Bars/Content: Twork continued his high energy performance. His punches were strong and well-written, hitting hard on multiple angles. He played into his "crazy" persona. He also did a great job of responding to his "stumbling" accusation.
Delivery/Performance: Twork's performance was intense, with great use of his body and voice. The energy was high, making for a great impact.
Rebuttals: There were a couple of rebuttals, including one about him not needing a pen to win.
Crowd Reaction: The crowd went crazy for Twork, with nonstop cheers and reactions.
Overall Battle Impact: This was a very memorable round from Twork, cementing him as the clear winner of the battle.
Round 2 Winner: Twork won this round by a landslide. The writing, delivery, performance, and crowd reaction were significantly better than Mook's.
Round 3:
Mook:
Bars/Content: Mook finally switched up his angle, this time getting into his "God Mook" persona and talking about himself instead of just focusing on Twork. He was more aggressive, and his punches finally landed this round.
Delivery/Performance: The delivery was noticeably more aggressive, and had more of a bite to it than the previous two rounds.
Rebuttals: No clear rebuttals from Mook this round.
Crowd Reaction: The crowd reacted much more strongly this round than in the previous two rounds. He was starting to gain some momentum from the performance.
Overall Battle Impact: Mook's round, while the best of his rounds, was still not enough to overcome the previous two rounds from Twork.
Twork:
Bars/Content: Twork maintained his energy and aggression, but the writing didn't feel as polished as his previous rounds. He did a lot of shouting instead of rapping.
Delivery/Performance: His delivery was high energy and animated, but sometimes came off as sloppy. He seemed to be losing some steam in this round.
Rebuttals: No clear rebuttals this round.
Crowd Reaction: The crowd still reacted strongly to Twork, but not quite as enthusiastically as the previous rounds.
Overall Battle Impact: Twork's round was overall the weakest, and he had no particularly memorable bars.
Round 3 Winner: While Mook had a better round, Twork still won this round because he has the edge in performance.
Overall Battle Winner
Twork wins 3-0. While Mook did improve as the battle went on, the gap between Twork's performance in Rounds 1 and 2 were too great for Mook to overcome.
Final Thoughts
Judging rap battles is subjective, but using these categories and being consistent in their application can lead to fair and reasoned judgments. For me, the most important thing is how a rapper impacts the crowd, and Twork did that far more effectively than Mook.
Let me know if you have any other questions!"
LETS TALK ABOUT IT BREHS
Jeriiz clear 30 for these reasons? @FreshAIG @theflyest @MicIsGod @lyrical professor @OGBobbyJohnson @EzekelRAGE @tripleaamin @cornercommission2k12
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T-K-G
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"God Mook" persona killed me 
ReasonableMatic
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Lux' writing is just DIFFERENT
He was the MOST feared battler in the dvd/Lionz Den era, these new fans simply don't know.
But battlers from that era know what time it is with Lux
That's a FACT
All them writers have him as their dream battle by default for a reason
As far as Lux vs Clips, that's EXACTLY what I got from that battle too
On some "nikka..I KNOW you ain't talkin that tough shyt to ME, we know about you in the hood"
Damn, so Clips really takes all these battles in order to fuel his gambling addiction (According to Goodz). If I recall Lux talked about that in his battle with Clips
**CONWAY LAUGH**
ReasonableMatic
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@T-K-G I gotchu brehI just asked it to explain it's thought process and break down a Murda Mook battle for fukkery's sake
@ReasonableMatic quote and do your highlight thing so it's easier for brehs to skim through
"Okay, let's break down how to judge a 3-round rap battle, using a real example for clarity. We'll use Murda Mook's recent battle against Nu Jerzey Twork from "Summer Madness 13" on URL, which is a fairly clear battle in terms of who won, but still provides good talking points about the judging process.
Categories for Judging
These are the main categories I consider when judging a rap battle, with a short explanation of each:
Bars/Content: This is the core of the battle. It's the strength of the lyrics:
Wordplay: How clever and intricate are the metaphors, similes, puns, and other linguistic devices?
Punchlines: How impactful and memorable are the lines intended to elicit a reaction?
Substance: Is there a narrative, a consistent theme, or interesting ideas beyond just boasts and disses?
Originality: Is the material fresh or does it sound recycled from other battles or other artists?
Delivery/Performance: How well the rapper brings their material to life:
Flow/Cadence: The rhythm and smoothness of their delivery. Do they stay on beat? Do they vary their flow to keep the audience engaged?
Stage Presence: How commanding and confident they are on stage. Do they make eye contact? Do they use the space effectively?
Performance Energy: How much passion and intensity do they project? Do they connect with the crowd?
Clarity: Can you understand the words being said?
Rebuttals/Adaptability: How well the rapper responds to their opponent's material on the fly:
Direct Rebuttals: Addressing specific lines, points, or attacks from the previous round, or even within the current round.
Improv/Freestyling: Going off the cuff to respond or add to their material.
Catching Stumbles: Whether or not they can recover well from a misstep in the material.
Crowd Reaction/Impact: While not the sole determining factor, it is important to consider how the crowd responds to each rapper:
Loudness: The raw volume of the cheers, gasps, and overall noise the rapper generates.
Meaningful Reactions: Are they just cheering random parts, or are they reacting to actual good bars and moments?
Momentum: Does the crowd's energy seem to shift noticeably between the two?
Overall Battle Impact: This is the final gut check. It is how well the rapper's performance is remembered long after the battle concludes:
Uniqueness: What makes a rapper memorable?
Consistency: Did a rapper do what they were known to do, or exceed expectations?
Murda Mook vs. Nu Jerzey Twork Breakdown (Summer Madness 13)
Let's apply these categories to the Mook vs. Twork battle.
Round 1:
Mook:
Bars/Content: Mook came out with a mix of storytelling and intricate punchlines. He focused on Twork's tendency to stumble and make mistakes in his battles. The punchlines were good, but a lot of the set up was him trying to bring up the past and it didn't land with the audience.
Delivery/Performance: Mook is smooth and his performance is deliberate. His stage presence is strong, and his flow was on point.
Rebuttals: No clear rebuttals this round, as it was a first round from both sides.
Crowd Reaction: The crowd was engaged, with a few strong reactions to some lines, but overall, fairly muted compared to later rounds.
Overall Battle Impact: Mook did not do anything memorable in the first round.
Twork:
Bars/Content: Twork came with heavy punchlines, mixed with aggression and energy. He was clear about not playing into Mook's story of him falling apart. His bars were aggressive and personal, targeting Mook's status as a veteran in the game.
Delivery/Performance: Twork’s delivery was high energy, animated, and loud. He made good use of the stage.
Rebuttals: No clear rebuttals, as it was a first round from both sides.
Crowd Reaction: The crowd was reacting extremely loudly to Twork's energy and punches.
Overall Battle Impact: Twork made a strong impact immediately that put Mook behind.
Round 1 Winner: Twork clearly won this round due to the more aggressive material, delivery, and overall crowd reaction.
Round 2:
Mook:
Bars/Content: Mook continued his theme from the first round, trying to break down Twork's mindset. He tried to add more aggression but it fell short. He did not use many intricate punches as he focused on the message.
Delivery/Performance: Mook’s flow was good, but his energy lacked compared to Twork. He had a strong stage presence, as always.
Rebuttals: No clear rebuttals.
Crowd Reaction: The crowd was much more muted to Mook than the previous round.
Overall Battle Impact: The round was not memorable at all, with most people forgetting what Mook even said.
Twork:
Bars/Content: Twork continued his high energy performance. His punches were strong and well-written, hitting hard on multiple angles. He played into his "crazy" persona. He also did a great job of responding to his "stumbling" accusation.
Delivery/Performance: Twork's performance was intense, with great use of his body and voice. The energy was high, making for a great impact.
Rebuttals: There were a couple of rebuttals, including one about him not needing a pen to win.
Crowd Reaction: The crowd went crazy for Twork, with nonstop cheers and reactions.
Overall Battle Impact: This was a very memorable round from Twork, cementing him as the clear winner of the battle.
Round 2 Winner: Twork won this round by a landslide. The writing, delivery, performance, and crowd reaction were significantly better than Mook's.
Round 3:
Mook:
Bars/Content: Mook finally switched up his angle, this time getting into his "God Mook" persona and talking about himself instead of just focusing on Twork. He was more aggressive, and his punches finally landed this round.
Delivery/Performance: The delivery was noticeably more aggressive, and had more of a bite to it than the previous two rounds.
Rebuttals: No clear rebuttals from Mook this round.
Crowd Reaction: The crowd reacted much more strongly this round than in the previous two rounds. He was starting to gain some momentum from the performance.
Overall Battle Impact: Mook's round, while the best of his rounds, was still not enough to overcome the previous two rounds from Twork.
Twork:
Bars/Content: Twork maintained his energy and aggression, but the writing didn't feel as polished as his previous rounds. He did a lot of shouting instead of rapping.
Delivery/Performance: His delivery was high energy and animated, but sometimes came off as sloppy. He seemed to be losing some steam in this round.
Rebuttals: No clear rebuttals this round.
Crowd Reaction: The crowd still reacted strongly to Twork, but not quite as enthusiastically as the previous rounds.
Overall Battle Impact: Twork's round was overall the weakest, and he had no particularly memorable bars.
Round 3 Winner: While Mook had a better round, Twork still won this round because he has the edge in performance.
Overall Battle Winner
Twork wins 3-0. While Mook did improve as the battle went on, the gap between Twork's performance in Rounds 1 and 2 were too great for Mook to overcome.
Final Thoughts
Judging rap battles is subjective, but using these categories and being consistent in their application can lead to fair and reasoned judgments. For me, the most important thing is how a rapper impacts the crowd, and Twork did that far more effectively than Mook.
Let me know if you have any other questions!"
LETS TALK ABOUT IT BREHS
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Do you have the app?
Hell no I don’t even watch battle rap like that anymore.
I’ve probably only seen 3 battles this year in full.
The days of watching an entire PPV card, or just watching random battles are over. It’s gotta be a matchup that I’m really interested like Lux/Rum and Hitman/Geechi.
I still like to keep up with the culture but battle rap is really on some bullshyt.
T-K-G
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why did it choose an app battle 
i almost wanna check and see if it'll posts a transcript of the rounds
i asked it for the best lines and it quoted some verbatim,
prolly skipped over curse words and gun references since it's not allowed
ironically it also acknowledges that it's on the app and behind a paywall
it doesn't view quoting lines as stealing i guess
i almost wanna check and see if it'll posts a transcript of the rounds
i asked it for the best lines and it quoted some verbatim,
prolly skipped over curse words and gun references since it's not allowedironically it also acknowledges that it's on the app and behind a paywall
it doesn't view quoting lines as stealing i guess