The Official Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Movie Thread

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4 out of 10 would have been a zero if our base world savior Bafleck wasn't casted. Why did they bytchboy Supes? :mjcry::mjcry::mjcry::mjcry:
 

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19 things that make no sense in the utterly nonsensical Batman v Superman

Here's the list, Ima have to get on my PC just to disprove most of this.
18) Does anybody in this universe know how to use a spear?
Spears are made to be thrown! Just throw the spear at Doomsday! Mission accomplished!

See this is some silly shyt right here :mjlol:.

You got a spear that can kill the thing threatening to destroy humanity. Why not just toss it at him instead of making sure it goes through his fukking heart. That makes a lot of sense. :mjlol:
 

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I am fukk that hack piece of shyt I would have rathered Muchael Bay, Uwe Boll, or Eli Roth do this movie.
 

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Its nothing we couldn't have guessed...but it explains the "why" it was in the movie.
This theory.....oh shyt! :ohhh:
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*SPOILER WARNING*

If you’ve seen Batman v Superman this past weekend then, like me, you most likely had many more questions than answers about the future of the DC Universe. Ever since I saw the early showings Thursday night, something about the Knightmare Sequence was troubling me. I had to see it again, but now I’ve worked out all the flaws in my theory. HERE IS YOUR SECOND SPOILER WARNING.

Let me start off by addressing the criticism that this particular sequence has gotten. I’ve seen many reviews saying that this really felt out of place, and that the Flash’s reveal here seemed shoehorned. Now to the laymen, this might seem the case. Unfortunately, that became a reoccurring theme (that you needed a strong prior index of DC knowledge going in). But have no fear, this sequence was perfectly placed in the movie. Hear me out, and I think you might agree.

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In the Knightmare sequence, we see a war-torn environment not too far off from the world we see in such nuclear apocalyptic games such as Fallout New Vegas or settings like the Book of Eli: basically a big desert waste land with deteriorating buildings from what one can only assume is the remainder of Gotham or Metropolis. Right off the bat (pun intended), we see the Omega Symbol. This little tidbit didn’t come as too much of a surprise, because the still image was released before the movie’s debut. However, it comes to play a very important role in this theory. Next we see Batman, who at this point has become a hardened killer (because really what’s the point of a no kill rule when everybody’s already dead) come up to inspect a semi-truck load with who can only be assumed to be the Sons of Batman, or at the least background characters meant to mirror them. There’s a box in the back of the truck which opens up to reveal a glowing green light and the audience thinks “oh okay, it’s kryptonite” right around the time you realize it was all a set up. Cue the Sons of Superman coming in fighting alongside Parademons from Apokolips (oh yes, that is definitely what they are). They basically murder the Sons of Batman and capture Batman. The next part of the sequence is Batman being chained up, Superman personally executing the remaining Sons of Batman, and then murdering the Bat himself.

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Cue one of the most important scenes for the Justice League and the foundation of this theory.A rift opens up in time and space in front of him in the Batcave, waking Bruce from the dream (of sorts), and the Flash makes an appearance. “BRUCE!” he screams, halfway through the portal/halfway still in “LISTEN TO ME RIGHT NOW! IT’S LOIS! LOIS LANE! SHE’S THE KEY!”. Then his voice begins to falter. But still yelling he cries, “AM I TOO SOON? TOO SOON. YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT HIM; YOU WERE ALWAYS RIGHT ABOUT HIM. FEAR HIM! FEAR HIM AND FIND US YOU HAVE TO FIND US BRUCE!”. Then with a loud crack as suddenly as he appeared, he vanishes into the portal, and Bruce wakes up at his desk for a second time.

Now the viewer is left stunned, not knowing how much of what Bruce just saw was real or a dream. I’m about to explain the theory, but there’s still some other parts of the movie that we need to briefly address. At one point during the Doomsday fight, WonderWoman said she has “fought monsters before”. If you read into Thymescira, the Island of the Amazons, it’s no secret they know all about the Gods of New Genesis (suffice to say for now that this means she’s in the know about a certain someone this theory revolves around). At the end of the movie, Lex Luthor is trying to convey to Batman that something is in motion, and it is already too late for the world. He keeps talking about the announcement of Superman’s death, and how it has reached the other important beings in space now that there is no one left to protect Earth from whatever it is that’s coming. When Cyborg is revealed in this film we see a MotherBox form into his tech, bringing him alive. At this point you probably see where I’m going with this if you know about some iterations of the Justice Leagues formation, particularly in the Animated Films. But, here is the Knightmare Theory in full.

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What we saw in Bruce’s Knightmare was NOT a dream sequence that symbolized his internal fear of what Superman will become if left unchecked; rather, Bruce Wayne himself mistakes the sequence for this at the time. What were actually occurring were Bruce’s memories from a parallel timeline collapsing in on themselves, similar to the seizures the Flash experiences in the story Flashpoint. The reason why Superman was fighting alongside Parademons, why we see an omega symbol burned into the earth, and why they showed us a MotherBox in cyborg's sequence was to foreshadow the coming of Darksied. Darksied, for those who don’t follow the comics, is a demi-God ruler of a hellish planet (and I mean that very literally) whose power level frequently goes well above Superman's. His ultimate goal is to control the universe. To accomplish this he seeks out planets with life and invades them with devices called MotherBoxes, technology that among other things allows intergalactic travel instantaneously. He terraforms and/or destroys the planet, steals its resources for himself, captures every living thing, and organically changes it on a molecular scale into monsters called Parademons. Parademons serve and die for him. Then he uses parademons to invade the next planet. He also gains followers who he does not turn into monsters by using an Anti-Life Equation; something that works with a similar property to a magic possession spell, that when exposed to forces you to serve Darksied. If that doesn’t give you an idea of how bad news this guy is, let me just say that the only time the Justice League in comics have ever actually defeated him (instead of just sending him back to where he came from), it ripped apart time and space while collapsing reality in an event called Final Crisis.

The coming of Darksied was actually what Bruce was seeing in the Knightmare sequence. The reason Superman was acting the way he was is because Darksied sees the Man of Steel as too strong of an asset to simply kill. Rather, he wants to use the Anti-Life equation to force Superman to work for him. This is what has happened in the Knightmare sequence. Superman has either by choice or by force been made to work for Darksied. When the Flash appears to Bruce, he is not warning Bruce about an out of control Superman; he is warning him about Darksied. He says Lois Lane is the key, which she hardly was in this movie, and that Bruce should “fear him”. One of the most critical pieces of evidence for this theory we receive is Flash asks if he’s “too soon”. He was. The death of Superman had not happened yet so Bruce would not understand the coming of Darksied. He mistakes it for Superman trying to rule earth. This is why at the end of the movie, Bruce explains to Diana (Wonderwoman) that he still wants to find the other Heroes, even if they’re not ready to be found. He states “has a feeling” that something else is still coming. Nice feeling Bruce, Flash screamed it at you.

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Everything Lex Luthor says at the end of the movie correlates with this theory as well. Lex knows all too well about Darksied. This is why he was practically crying when he was talking to Batman about it. Lex had seen the data from the universe on the Kryptonion ship’s database, and had asked the computer to teach him about it. Lex goes on and on at the end about how news of the death of Superman had already been spread further than earth. He even mentions “he’s hungry” when he is warning Batman about what’s out there. Cyborg's scene showed that Motherboxes are already on earth and are operational. The symbolism of the painting in Lex Luthor’s home about the devils coming from the sky is not completely about Superman. It’s about Darksied’s invaders and lieutenants. When Lex realized he would not be able to control Doomsday, he had lost faith that humanity has any angels from the ground to fight for them.

So whenever I hear people criticizing the Knightmare sequence for seemingly being out of place, or the best one I’ve heard is it looks like an after credits scene, I agree with them. It’s like that on purpose. It’s why Flash was pointing out that he was too soon. The reason Bruce has his parallel memories collapse in on him at such a weird time is because of the Flash appearing to him at the wrong time. Flash was “too soon” and so were the memories. Fear not though Junior Justice Members, the Batman seems to be on the case by the end of the movie. Wonderwoman is right behind him which is good, because our favorite heroes are going to need all the help they can get for what’s coming.
This all sounds pretty accurate but..

The rift opening up in Bruce's dream I could have sworn it was Jason Todd :russ:
in the theatres i saw a dude with a red helmet looking mask just like red hood so i thought it was him but it didn't make sense to me since why would jason be in the darkseid saga. that was my only criticism about that scene, it wasn't clear enough who the dude was
 

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18) Does anybody in this universe know how to use a spear?
Spears are made to be thrown! Just throw the spear at Doomsday! Mission accomplished!

See this is some silly shyt right here :mjlol:.

You got a spear that can kill the thing threatening to destroy humanity. Why not just toss it at him instead of making sure it goes through his fukking heart. That makes a lot of sense. :mjlol:


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Exact kinda nitpickin just to nitpick bullshyt I was referrin too. Dese people are ridiculous. Lol :snooze:
 

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These critiques seem so shallow and nitpicking.

You really had an issue with the quality of punch Thomas Wayne threw in the the opening flashback? :dahell:

Some of yall are dumb as fukk. Serious :russ:

I've read and owned more Batman comics than any other character by far, going back to the late 80's with a Death in the Family.

My issue isn't with the way Thomas Wayne threw the punch, but that he made to do it at all.
A Billionaire escalating the danger to his family over the contents of his wallet and her purse.
You're going to call me pussified but that was my first clue that Snyder doesn't get Batman or his backstory.
And the rest of the movie bore that out.
Batman was needlessly reckless and violent, and did nothing in the way of detective work.

My complaint that Batman's Butler had more dialogue than the other half of the titular pairing is shallow?

The stupid slowmoe to indicate important thing's happening is shallow.

Nah breh, the problem is that I'm more discerning than you, and your inability to reconcile my opinion with your satisfaction throws you off balance.

You like a trash movie. Fine breh.
I like the Underworld flicks too, but I don't let the thrashing they get on the critical level stop my enjoyment, even when I admit it's deserved.

Be at peace
 

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Trying to keep this as spoiler free as possible but the points will contain spoilers.


1) Why is Batman so damn gullible?]

:dahell: At what point is Batman even remotely gullible in this film? Batman, as a character, has ALWAYS been single minded and not thinking things through when getting emotionally invested in a villain this is prominent in damn near every iteration of the character (the one that comes to mind heavily is Batman in Bad Blood which is a great animated flick btw). He does figure out that
the White Protugese is a boat and he figures it out fairly quickly to. He doesn't miss it, it's that again he's so emotionally invested in taking out Superman that those newclippings and bounced checks send him over the edge. It also doesn't help that the writing looks almost exactly like the Joker's (wonder if Lex knew that handwriting would send Bruce over the edge). He also DOES partner up with Diana after he figures out at the museum that they're after the same thing/man. He even shares info with her, teams up with her in the trinity, AND wants to form the JL with her.

2) How does the world feel about Superman?

How could you possibly be confused by this? :mindblown: It's almost the same way in Man of Steel. Some folks love him to the point where they're worshipping him like a god and others hate him and want him held accountable for his actions.

You have folks literally going :blessed::lawd: when he saves them. Senators who (somewhat) got his back and everyone expect the former Wayne employee at the monument. Yes the ones who hate and distrust him are more vocal but they do show folks who align with him.Of course opinions change scene to scene, to show that different opinions on Superman :dahell: He's mopes because he doesn't know how he feels about being either worshipped or hated, he just wants to do him and save folks.

3) Why does everybody blame Superman for the massacre in Africa?

This is actually a legit point, why would anyone think Superman is shooting bullets at people when he can just punch your face off? That part was a little strange.
I will say, just because the gov't knows doesn't mean it's going to be backing Supes especially if that part of
 

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Watching this movie in 3d Imax is worth the price of admission solely for the Batmobile and Batman takedown scenes. Batmobile sequence looks like straight fire. I think it'll be hard to replicate the type of adrenaline rush you get if you're watching those sequences at home.

Unfortunately it doesn't really help the pacing issues the movies it has, and that
sequence with Kevin Costner :what:Dude sounded like he just got back from happy hour, couldn't understand a damn thing he said :why::pachaha:
 

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8/10 based off the strength of the cast performance and action. Story comes together nicely and the ending was one of the best endings I've seen to a superhero movie. Sets up perfectly for the Justice League and the foreshadowing of Darkseid was the cherry on top.

Final fight against Doomsday is going down as my favorite movie fight ever. I can see why some people hate it. If you have attention deficit like most of this generation its a little hard to keep up with and can even be boring.

I really liked the Batman in this movie. Ben Affleck has given us the best Batman we've ever seen. Not only is this Batman a great fighter, he's also very intimidating and his detective skills are done justice.

I also liked Henry Cavill as Superman. The emotional distress this character goes through is captured perfectly.

Lex was not nearly as annoying as I expected him to be. Still didnt really care for him but he wasnt bad as the main villain. He's the clever, diabolical Lex who's very quirky. I talked to a friend about that and the reason behind his "quirkiness" is actually very subtlety explained. His guess was that he was going mad from all the knowledge he had [SPOILER ALERT] obtained from the Kryptonian ship and thay makes a lot of sense.

One aspect of the movie that can not go overlooked is the character progression for Batman throughout this film. [More minor spoilers] In the beginning we see this Batman who's becoming very violent and weary in his fight for justice. He hardly even has a no kill rule anymore. I wouldn't call him the Punisher but its not the typical Batman with morals. By the end we after Superman's sacrifice in the fight with Doomsday we see him more inspired again and with more hope. Superman, the alien he viewed as a threat, has restored Batman's faith in humanity. Not only Batman's, but Wonder Woman's as well.

It took the death of a Phil, the Shield Agent, to bring together the Avengers. If there's anything the DCEU has done better than the MCU so far, its this. The impact of Superman's death is really felt on the public, his loved ones, and the heroes.

Overall I'd say this is a movie that will have all its good overlooked by the hate bandwagon. I really hope this does not discourage the Warner Bros.

Bring on the Justice League
 

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This is actually a legit point, why would anyone think Superman is shooting bullets at people when he can just punch your face off? That part was a little strange.
I will say, just because the gov't knows doesn't mean it's going to be backing Supes especially if that part of

I think it's because not many people know Supermans abilities or what he is capable of. People would believe crazy stuff like that since it is Superman.
 

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Watching this movie in 3d Imax is worth the price of admission solely for the Batmobile and Batman takedown scenes. Batmobile sequence looks like straight fire. I think it'll be hard to replicate the type of adrenaline rush you get if you're watching those sequences at home.

Unfortunately it doesn't really help the pacing issues the movies it has, and that
sequence with Kevin Costner :what:Dude sounded like he just got back from happy hour, couldn't understand a damn thing he said :why::pachaha:

im gonna go see the 3D version today. 2nd overall viewing
 
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