How much more knowledge did you need when if you watch it MOST things are self explanatory
"Bu-bu-but why did batman want to fight"
You know Snyder has no writing credit right? What's the common denominator (in writing) between MoS and BvS? Goyer. Sometimes the simplest answer is the right oneThe only thing this movie made me think about is what is Snyder's ideal of heroism in the context of Superman. I just re-watched the Doomsday animated movie and no hyperbole Superman is more heroic in 20's minutes of that than he is in two feature length Snyder films. I get the sense that Snyder thinks that it doesn't matter how a heroic act takes place, but so as long as it does "take place." In other words, he doesn't seem to discern any difference from the unwilling hero, accidental hero, conscious hero, etc. Whereas in terms of heroism (at least in the medium of film and TV), I'm of the belief that people overwhelmingly do make that distinction, and actually do care about context. It's one of those things where people have Kantian deontological views on a behavior. Essentially, the consequences of Superman's choices don't matter being that consequence is often out of one's control. What does matter is if he acted out a sense of duty and for the reason/motivation -- which Kant would say are known to us by categorical imperatives or universal laws.
We want our heroes to want to be heroic. We want them to act out of a sense of duty. We want Superman to want to actually be Superman. Not to go about it like it's a 9-5 that he's been schlepping to for 11 years with no raises, shytty benefits and he has to drink 3 cups of coffee to get through the workday. After two movies, I have no idea what sense of motivation Snyder's Superman operates on. He does heroic shyt, but it's always with a pained expression, dour look on his face like he'd rather be crocheting or some shyt. When the opportunity presents itself in his movies for Superman to explain his feelings or thoughts on his actions it's always fumbled. The bathtub scene with Amy Adams is a prime example when she said, "I'm not sure it's possible." For better or worse, Superman has an undeniable sense of self and his place in the world in a greater context. He knows who he his, which leads to why he's here and gives him a sense of duty. If you take that away from him, he's no longer Superman. You completely alter the ethos of the character. Thus, I'm not sure who the fukk Cavill is supposed to be playing.
You don't have to make Superman the saving cats from trees, tripping over his feet when not in costume, random fact dropping klutz. Those are purely external circumstances. However, you do have to make him actually WANT to be Superman.That's an internal thing that manifests itself externally.
We went from, "There's nobody left to help them now... the people of the world."
To:
"I'm not sure if you can love me and still be you."
Response?
Silence.....
Basically was like the people that say, after hearing the song on the radio 100 times, I like it now.So what you're saying is that the comment wasn't the joke, but you are?
If you had to watch it three times for the movie to become easier to understand, doesn't that make it the fukking opposite of easy to understand?
Terrio came in and "rewrote" the script and this is still the best he could come up with. All that babbling about greek tragedy bullshyt and we get a movie for 7th graders, and it's supposedly the most "intellectual" thing he thinks he's ever written.
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Most here seem to agree.
....it got worse.
There was always supposed to be batman solo flicks though
Snyder kind of was giving Superman those Dr. Manhattan vibes in this film. I think once he got the backlash for Man of Steel they scrapped the idea of going for a more classic Superman. Hopefully that version in the Justice League movie instead of the New 52 stoic version.The only thing this movie made me think about is what is Snyder's ideal of heroism in the context of Superman. I just re-watched the Doomsday animated movie and no hyperbole Superman is more heroic in 20's minutes of that than he is in two feature length Snyder films. I get the sense that Snyder thinks that it doesn't matter how a heroic act takes place, but so as long as it does "take place." In other words, he doesn't seem to discern any difference from the unwilling hero, accidental hero, conscious hero, etc. Whereas in terms of heroism (at least in the medium of film and TV), I'm of the belief that people overwhelmingly do make that distinction, and actually do care about context. It's one of those things where people have Kantian deontological views on a behavior. Essentially, the consequences of Superman's choices don't matter being that consequence is often out of one's control. What does matter is if he acted out a sense of duty and for the reason/motivation -- which Kant would say are known to us by categorical imperatives or universal laws.
We want our heroes to want to be heroic. We want them to act out of a sense of duty. We want Superman to want to actually be Superman. Not to go about it like it's a 9-5 that he's been schlepping to for 11 years with no raises, shytty benefits and he has to drink 3 cups of coffee to get through the workday. After two movies, I have no idea what sense of motivation Snyder's Superman operates on. He does heroic shyt, but it's always with a pained expression, dour look on his face like he'd rather be crocheting or some shyt. When the opportunity presents itself in his movies for Superman to explain his feelings or thoughts on his actions it's always fumbled. The bathtub scene with Amy Adams is a prime example when she said, "I'm not sure it's possible." For better or worse, Superman has an undeniable sense of self and his place in the world in a greater context. He knows who he his, which leads to why he's here and gives him a sense of duty. If you take that away from him, he's no longer Superman. You completely alter the ethos of the character. Thus, I'm not sure who the fukk Cavill is supposed to be playing.
You don't have to make Superman the saving cats from trees, tripping over his feet when not in costume, random fact dropping klutz. Those are purely external circumstances. However, you do have to make him actually WANT to be Superman.That's an internal thing that manifests itself externally.
We went from, "There's nobody left to help them now... the people of the world
To:
"I'm not sure if you can love me and still be you
Response?
Silence.....
Snyder kind of was giving Superman those Dr. Manhattan vibes in this film. I think once he got the backlash for Man of Steel they scrapped the idea of going for a more classic Superman. Hopefully that version in the Justice League movie instead of the New 52 stoic version.
What do you think of this article though breh.
Zack Snyder Loves Superman, And 'Batman V Superman' Proves It
Its a well written articleMy god
Legit deserves a MJ smiley meme 
It's just so amazing to see that someone else saw what I saw in the movieIts a well written article
That look on his face after that Granny's Peach Tea scene.
This is why I say Justice League has to deliver OG Superman. After all this to finally become who he's suppose too
