The Official 2024-25 MLB Hot Stove Thread

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Bernie is an interesting case.

At the time of his retirement, no one felt he was a Hall of Famer. Then everyone said the PED users were out, so if you're going to eliminate those guys, there really aren't very many players left from that era that out-produced Bernie Williams.

You don't know how much postseason success factors into a guy's HOF argument but Bernie's playoff numbers are among the best ever.
An .850 OPS when you have 121 playoff games is amazing. That part of his resume shines a lot.

There are levels even within the Hall of Fame. Guys like Willie Mays are not the FLOOR of the Hall of Fame, so Bernie doesn't need to be as good as him to belong. But when you elect someone like Jim Rice, I'm not sure Bernie Williams is really any different.

The Hall of Fame has been b*stardized. The floor now is just being a good player for ten years.

 

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The Hall of Fame has been b*stardized. The floor now is just being a good player for ten years.

Maybe.

The Yankees won 4 World Series in 5 years and Bernie Williams was a significant part of them.
When you go to the Hall of Fame and people go to reflect and learn about that era in baseball history, it's tough to tell that story without Bernie.

 

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Maybe.

The Yankees won 4 World Series in 5 years and Bernie Williams was a significant part of them.
When you go to the Hall of Fame and people go to reflect and learn about that era in baseball history, it's tough to tell that story without Bernie.

You can't tell the story without Scott Brosius, Paul O'Neill and Jim Leyritz either.

 

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I love Bernie and he's been incredibly underappreciated, but he's not a hall of famer.