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Initially I agreed but I gotta switch it up. Dude reminds me alot of manziel. Throws off his back foot alot, overthrows receivers.

Id take watson and kizer over him after further review :yeshrug:


Mahomes is a wild card for me. I don't know whether to like him or not. So far I like Dobbs, Kaaya, and Watson. I don't like Kizer and Trubisky. Mahomes is a tough read cause like you said he does all weird Manziel type shyt but he's also got a rifle. By far the strongest arm of any QB coming out this year.
 

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I never seen Mahomes play. I heard a lot of good about him. I mainly watched ACC football as well as SEC. Some HBCUS and Pacific 12
 

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might be the lightest OL draft i can recall

Ramzcyk and Robinson could get reached for like Ereck Flowers in '15, they are the only 2 ive consistently seen in the entire 1st. DL tho :wow:
It's very weak at the top, but the mid rounds have some guys.

2 names to look out for in Day 2 at OT are Antonio Garcia and Julien Davenport
 

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Well I never watch the kid what makes him good
He can rush the passer. He's not a top LB yet but he clearly learns a lot from his older brother.

If he has time to learn he could be a solid player.

EDIT - I confused him for a DE. he's a linebacker. I think I just saw him in the backfield a few times vs Penn State
 

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Per draft insider Tony Pauline. Man if the Jets take Trubisky at 6 :snoop:

The first full day of activities at the Senior Bowl is in the books, and it was a full day. Now that it’s complete, here’s what we are hearing from the halls of the players’ hotel.

Much of the conversation centered on a player not in attendance at the Senior Bowl: North Carolina quarterback Mitch Trubisky.

There is a split opinion on the junior signal-caller; there are teams who like Trubisky and teams who like him but are concerned about his lack of starting experience. There were similar concerns a year ago over Carson Wentz -- who started just a year and a half -- and though the circumstances are slightly different, those concerns turned out to be unfounded.

As most are aware, Trubisky came out of nowhere to start under center for the Tar Heels in 2016 and justifiably grades as the top signal-caller for April’s draft.

There has been a lot made in the New York press over the alleged love affair the Jets have with the signal-caller.

People I’ve spoke with here in Mobile tempered that enthusiasm a bit but say the Jets are definitely part of a pack of teams at the top of the draft considering Trubisky.

There’s a bit of risk for Mike Maccagnan if he takes Trubisky on the heels of selecting Christian Hackenberg in the second round of the 2016 draft.

If the Jets select Trubisky and he does not quickly produce, Maccagnan’s tenure with the team will likely come to an end.
 

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Some Senior Bowl rumors per Walterfootball

There were reports that the New York Jets are all over North Carolina quarterback Mitch Trubisky. When I told this to Jets sources, they rolled their eyes and shook their head. They said that general manager Mike Maccagnan has them work more in depth on early entry players later in the process and not during the fall, so it is way too early to say that for almost any non-senior.

There has been some talk about Alabama offensive tackle Cam Robinson being a better fit at guard or right tackle as a pro. Some team sources say they see Robinson as a second-round talent like the Bucs' left tackle Donovan Smith. Others say they see him as a late first-rounder who would be an ideal right tackle. One team said they had Robinson as a top-16 talent and a Russell Okung or Ryan Clady type left tackle. A source on a fourth team, meanwhile, felt that Robinson was worthy of a top-20 pick, and that he should stay at left tackle. That area scout said that Robinson could be messed up by changing positions. They think he is smart, athletic, and strong. They compared him to the Buffalo Bills' Cordy Glenn, whom many projected to right tackle, but has proven to be a good left tackle after staying at his college position. Robinson will be a subject of debate in draft meetings, but he looks safe as a top-16 pick in a weak class of offensive tackles.

Clemson junior quarterback Deshaun Watson could have participated in the Senior Bowl because he already graduated, but Watson passed on the opportunity. Sources from some quarterback-needy teams said they were disappointed and thought it was a mistake. While Watson has a lot of college tape from the past two seasons, he doesn't have the experience of operating a pro-style offense. The Senior Bowl would have given him a crash course in a pro-style offense with calling plays and using pro-style verbiage.

Some college quarterbacks like Jay Cutler used the Senior Bowl to lock in their first-round standing. Even a spread offense quarterback like Tim Tebow didn't have an impressive week of practice at the Senior Bowl, but he still ended up being a first-round pick. Last year, Dak Prescott impressed a lot of teams with how he handled the change to the coaching by the Jacksonville Jaguars staff, coming from a spread college system. At the end of the day, this decision won't really be held against Watson, but it was a missed opportunity to impress NFL evaluators.

An interesting prospect to follow during the lead up to the 2017 NFL Draft is Tennessee defensive end Derek Barnett. After setting a sack record for the Volunteers, league sources say that Barnett is on the bubble of the top 10. Some scouts have graded Barnett similarly to Clemson edge rusher Shaq Lawson, who was selected with the 19th-overall pick last year. Both are similar build around 6-foot-3, weighing about 270 pounds. Some evaluators really like Barnett and say their only reservation is that he seems to have quiet stretches. He was consistent with his sack production, but there would be games where he was quiet for the first half before dominating in the final two quarters. A strong combine could push Barnett into the top 10, but even if he doesn't impress in Indianapolis, he looks safe in the top 20

The consensus top wide receiver prospect for the 2017 NFL Draft is Clemson's Mike Williams. Other wideouts like Western Michigan's Corey Davis and Washington's John Ross could factor into the discussion, but Williams is the favorite to be the first wide receiver selected. In speaking with sources at multiple teams, they do feel that Williams is worthy of a top-20 pick based on his play in 2016. They feel that Williams is a Mike Evans-type receiver who is going to be a third-down and red zone weapon. While they don't expect him to be a big separation wide receiver, they love how good he is at winning 50-50 passes, making catches for his quarterback when nobody is open. Sources say that Williams didn't grade out as high as the Buccaneers' Mike Evans who went with the seventh-overall pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, but they say he graded higher than Michael Floyd who was selected with the 13th-overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft. Thus, Williams could be on the bubble of the top 10, and he looks safe as a top-20 pick.

After Williams goes off the board, Washington wide receiver John Ross could be the next receiver to be selected. In speaking to teams, they feel that Ross is worthy of a pick in the 20s. Teams like the speed and play-making ability of Ross with the ability to stretch the field. There are a few landing spots among the playoff teams that could use help at receiver and for a pure speed receiver, Ross could provide a nice impact for a late first-round pick.

One of the combine weigh-ins that will be very important is USC cornerback Adoree' Jackson. Sources say that Jackson was weighing in the 170s at times for the Trojans, but part of that very low weight was because Jackson is also a track competitor. In the NFL, he will have to gain weight, but in contacts at multiple teams really love Jackson's ability to run the route and prevent separation. Sources have compared him to successful undersized corners in Jason Verrett and Janoris Jenkins.
 

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Taywan Taylor came in at 5'11 even :mjcry: he was listed at 6'1 damn....not even 9inch hands. What a shame I thought I saw some nice stuff on film

Thought Zay Jones hands were bigger to be leading the country in rec's :francis: but then again he is in that air raid system that inflates numbers :shaq2:

Best CB at the senior bowl is Damontae Kazee :win: dude has that uncoaching burst out of breaks :mindblown:first round talent
 
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Josh Dobbs is killing at the senior bowl. Everyone is impressed with his arm strength and (yes) ACCURACY. According to the media reports he's been easily the most impressive QB on the South roster and one of the most impressive players overall. Browns head coach Hue Jackson has also taken a liking to him.

Here is a small sampling of what people have been saying about Dobbs at the Senior Bowl practices thus far:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...-south-wrs-norths-reddikk-shine-on-wednesday/

Longtime SEC fans may have a hard time believing it, but Tennessee quarterback Josh Dobbs threw the ball very well on Tuesday. The 6-foot-3 1/4, 216-pounder has always possessed a strong arm, as well as the mobility and intelligence scouts are looking for but he has struggled with accuracy over his career. That was not the case Tuesday, however, as Dobbs threw accurately and on time on a variety of pro-style routes, including slants, outs, post-corners and deep balls. California's Davis Webb and Tiffin's Antonio Pipkins were significantly less consistent with their accuracy on Tuesday.

Senior Bowl Notebook Wednesday - RealGM Analysis

Among the players who did stand out on the field…

Josh Dobbs--The Tennessee quarterback put quite a bit of distance between himself and the other two South QBs with a very strong performance in the breezy late afternoon. He was comfortable moving in the pocket and keeping his eyes up, and his throws were the most on target and showed real zip. It’s not that Davis Webb or Antonio Pipkin were bad, but they were inferior compared to Dobbs.



Mark Schofield's Day Two Senior Bowl QB Notes - Inside The Pylon

Inconsistency and redemption were the words of the day, centered around one player: Joshua Dobbs. The former Tennessee quarterback has a reputation for being inconsistent, and as noted yesterday his Senior Bowl week got off to a shaky start. But today he was the class of the South squad. This started early during the first segment of practice, an 11-on-11 session, where he threw a beautiful crossing route to Alabama tight end O.J. Howard.

When the South moved over into some one-on-one drills, Dobbs remained crisp, throwing a beautiful back shoulder throw along the right sideline to start the session and remaining strong through the portion of practice, displaying some solid ball placement and some good anticipation for most of his throws. Meanwhile, Davis Webb and Antonio Pipkin remained inconsistent. Webb threw an out route late and well behind his target, hitting the defensive back in the back shoulder. He rebounded with a good vertical route that was dropped, but then overthrew another vertical route, and overthrew Ryan Switzer (North Carolina) on a comeback route. Pipkin was late on a hitch route during this session, and missed on two vertical routes, a sideline 9 route, and a seam route.

During the skelton session, Pipkin was late on a corner route at one point, and left too much air under the football, and the safety rotated over and made the interception. This is a good learning point for the quarterback, as he’s seeing faster safeties this week with more range. He’s used to throws like that being completed as the safety likely gets there a step late. Pipkin also hesitated on one curl concept, although he showed some frustration after that play, as if he expected the receiver to break a different way, which might explain the delay in getting the football out of his hands. Dobbs continued to shine, showing very good anticipation and placement on a comeback. However he did miss Josh Reynolds on one play on a vertical route, when the WR used a nearly-flawless release against the press but Dobbs never saw him. However, it’s possible that route was not in the quarterback’s progression on the play.

Finally, two throws really stood out during the team session. Dobbs executed a beautiful throw on a play-action play, carrying out a fake to his right and then rolling to his left, doing a great job of getting his shoulders turned to the target and throwing one more comeback route with timing, anticipation and placement. But the throw of this session was from the Tiffin University product. On a vertical concept, he flashed his eyes to the right sideline to move the free safety outside, and then brought his field of vision to the middle of the field to find Ole Miss tight end Evan Engram open up the seam, before dropping in a well-placed throw that the TE snared with his hands. This was a great play from Pipkin and one to close out his day on.

Wrapping up the day of work, I remain impressed by Peterman and he continues to be the top QB down in Mobile. But the day that Josh Dobbs turned in is tough to ignore. He made a number of great throws, showed timing, anticipation, and good placement on most of his routes. This was a much improved performance from yesterday, and if the week is about getting a baseline on a player and seeing how they adapt and react to coaching, taking to advice and evolving in a new system, Dobbs really helped himself today.
 
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