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They're not. Flip's gonna be in "I'll show you" mode the entire time Zach is here and he'll be to stubborn to cut his losses on HIS guys.

:lupe: Rubio technically isn't one of his guys, which would explain why Ricky's name has come up lately in regards to trades.



Far from assured given how he's used.

Only 52% of his shots this year were assisted, for a rookie it's excellent that he was able to score on his own so much, he will naturally get better at that :yeshrug: For comparisons sake, 59% of Durant's shots as a rookie were assisted. Not saying he's going to be Durant, but elite level wings don't need PGs that cannot shoot.


All they take is mid range jump shots. To need a floor spacer (which they do regardless of position), you have to encourage floor spacing. Flip doesn't even do that with Wiggins. Flip wants Okafor so he can have three guys posting up all night and getting in each other's way. They need shooting whether Ricky's here or not.

If they take Towns that will change, you don't draft a guy like Towns and put him in a rigid box :yeshrug:


Where you completely lose it is that you think a lack of shooting from PG is somehow tops on their list of weaknesses which is 100% bullshyt. That is much lower on the totem pole. When Ricky becomes their biggest issue, they'll be a lot better. They're nowhere near that right now.

Nah, my problem is that I don't think Rubio is very good, and his game is pretty much an awful fit for young wing players. The other weaknesses on your team are due to young players needing to mature, Rubio is one of the worst offensive PGs I have ever seen in my life. Why not get rid of him now, before he becomes a major issue, like you guys competing for a playoff spot and nobody defending him because he's the epitome of self check.

You do not put a developing wing player with a guy that cannot shoot, score or finish, yet has the ball in his hands for half the possession.
 

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Can someone please make me feel better about Booker?

This dude is trash. He could be good in 2-3 years... but right now, he is fukking GARB.

Never wanted to trade a pick more than right now.
 

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Only 52% of his shots this year were assisted, for a rookie it's excellent that he was able to score on his own so much, he will naturally get better at that :yeshrug: For comparisons sake, 59% of Durant's shots as a rookie were assisted. Not saying he's going to be Durant, but elite level wings don't need PGs that cannot shoot.

Because all they did was ISO him. It helped Wiggins score (how well, he coulda did A LOT better I'll leave it at that) but it came at the expense of the outcome of the score a lot. After Ricky got hurt the focus was no longer on winning games. Therefore, he can't coach the same way when the games are more contested (good because he sucks at coaching now). It was all about letting Wiggins and LaVine to a lesser extent, cook. Now he can't go about it the same way when they're trying to compete because it got them nowhere.




If they take Towns that will change, you don't draft a guy like Towns and put him in a rigid box :yeshrug:

Wanna bet? The only reason why he's even considering Towns is because of the interview. Not the college performance. Not the pedigree. Not everyone else including his own son telling him to take Towns. The fukking interview, like that shyt really makes a difference.

Again, Flip has yet to knowingly make a good pick. Whether he takes Towns or not, it's real clear that Towns isn't necessarily his first choice.



Nah, my problem is that I don't think Rubio is very good, and his game is pretty much an awful fit for young wing players.

So given that he missed a ton of time, they had all that time to show what they could do under a different type of PG (vet, rookie, whatever). How'd that work?
The other weaknesses on your team are due to young players needing to mature,

You're dead wrong on this.

Rubio is one of the worst offensive PGs I have ever seen in my life. Why not get rid of him now, before he becomes a major issue, like you guys competing for a playoff spot and nobody defending him because he's the epitome of self check.
Without him, they don't compete. They're not even in that situation if he's not there. In the meantime, his pros way outrank his cons since nobody else really does what he does on that team. He's good at most of the team's weaknesses. Wake me up if everyone else catches up on those things.
 

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Can someone please make me feel better about Booker?

This dude is trash. He could be good in 2-3 years... but right now, he is fukking GARB.

Never wanted to trade a pick more than right now.
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I don't know how I can. He could easily be Stauskas 2K15.

I'd just give PJ more run, but y'all need the outside shooting. It just sucks to use a pick that high on a specialist because I don't see Booker on some Klay shyt in the pros.

Charlotte is shopping the pick, but it ain't like trading an NFL first rounder, feel me?
 

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Because all they did was ISO him. It helped Wiggins score (how well, he coulda did A LOT better I'll leave it at that) but it came at the expense of the outcome of the score a lot. After Ricky got hurt the focus was no longer on winning games. Therefore, he can't coach the same way when the games are more contested (good because he sucks at coaching now). It was all about letting Wiggins and LaVine to a lesser extent, cook. Now he can't go about it the same way when they're trying to compete because it got them nowhere.

Letting your young guys cook > Rubio, sorry but Wiggins and LaVine gaining confidence in their own abilities outweighs whatever Rubio would have done. I'll ask again breh breh, show me some elite level wings that had to play with a PG like Rubio, you think he will help them score easier and sure for now he might, but they will start to rely on him which is the last thing you want. Lets just do a quick rundown of elite level wings that developed with an offensively challenged PG (can't shoot) setting them up, Durant? Nope, Kobe? Nope, LeBron? Nope, PG-13? Nope, MJ? Nope, Vince? Nope, Tmac? Nope, Harden? Nope etc etc etc, wings don't need players like Rubio, they need a guy that can shoot and score for himself at times.





Wanna bet? The only reason why he's even considering Towns is because of the interview. Not the college performance. Not the pedigree. Not everyone else including his own son telling him to take Towns. The fukking interview, like that shyt really makes a difference.

Again, Flip has yet to knowingly make a good pick. Whether he takes Towns or not, it's real clear that Towns isn't necessarily his first choice.

It doesn't matter if he's his first choice, Flip let Payne & Bennett fire up long ass jumpers which Towns can do at a much better percentage. And eventually you're going to have a coach that will allow Towns to play his game, these guys are 19-20, Flip won't be coaching beyond this season, right?



So given that he missed a ton of time, they had all that time to show what they could do under a different type of PG (vet, rookie, whatever). How'd that work?

You got the number 1 pick, your young guys played well together towards the end of the season, it worked out much better than watching Rubio go 3-12 with 8pts, 8asts and a pointless win over the Kings.

You're dead wrong on this.

Your problems aren't that deep, you have a potential superstar on your team, even if you don't draft the guy you want, you'll end up with a 20/10 big.

Without him, they don't compete. They're not even in that situation if he's not there. In the meantime, his pros way outrank his cons since nobody else really does what he does on that team. He's good at most of the team's weaknesses. Wake me up if everyone else catches up on those things.

Fam, he's replaceable, you're not really competing with him to begin with, especially since 2 out of his 4 seasons end with him getting an MRI. His cons outweigh his pros to me, this is a new league and he's a dinosaur of a PG, if this were the mid 90s he'd be fine, but it's not and spacing is at a premium. Having a guy like him that cannot create a shot for himself, cannot finish at the rim and cannot shoot is just not a good idea.
 

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Presti was ready to take Kristaps at 21 last year & now this kid is getting crazy hype :wow:


Feel like Bookers best case is more JJ Redikk than Klay :yeshrug:
 

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I don't know how I can. He could easily be Stauskas 2K15.

I'd just give PJ more run, but y'all need the outside shooting. It just sucks to use a pick that high on a specialist because I don't see Booker on some Klay shyt in the pros.

Charlotte is shopping the pick, but it ain't like trading an NFL first rounder, feel me?
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It fukking kills me talking to other Charlotte fans about this dude. He's got no discernible 1st round skills outside of having a beautiful shot, not being a dumbass, and being lightskinned. He's literally not better than a single SG in all of last year's draft. Just hoping that we can trade back for Grant at this point. :mjcry:
 

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Presti was ready to take Kristaps at 21 last year & now this kid is getting crazy hype :wow:


Feel like Bookers best case is more JJ Redikk than Klay :yeshrug:
People forgetting that it took a solid 4 years for JJ to 'get it' in the NBA. Off-ball SGs transition worse than any other type of player from college to the pros. On top of that, even freshmen JJ was a better ballhander than Booker :mjpls:

This dude isnt even as good as James Young and I thought he was shyt too :mjcry:
 

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People forgetting that it took a solid 4 years for JJ to 'get it' in the NBA. Off-ball SGs transition worse than any other type of player from college to the pros. On top of that, even freshmen JJ was a better ballhander than Booker :mjpls:

This dude isnt even as good as James Young and I thought he was shyt too :mjcry:


Yall are in such a shytty draft spot, all them PF's you taken over the years means you can't take one now, you got a PG so Payne is out of the question, you're basically just left to draft a dude that is getting a lot of hype cause he looks like another light skinned dude :francis:

I'd honestly just take Stanley Johnson if he's there, Booker does nothing for me.
 

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People forgetting that it took a solid 4 years for JJ to 'get it' in the NBA. Off-ball SGs transition worse than any other type of player from college to the pros. On top of that, even freshmen JJ was a better ballhander than Booker :mjpls:

This dude isnt even as good as James Young and I thought he was shyt too :mjcry:


His hype is solely because of Klay and playing at UK. I see cats on realgm talking about him like he's guaranteed to at least be JJ Redikk and I don't get it.

Tremont gotta chill. From the latest indications Flip is solely focused on players that fit with Wiggins.
 

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Yall are in such a shytty draft spot, all them PF's you taken over the years means you can't take one now, you got a PG so Payne is out of the question, you're basically just left to draft a dude that is getting a lot of hype cause he looks like another light skinned dude :francis:

I'd honestly just take Stanley Johnson if he's there, Booker does nothing for me.
Don't think for a second I wouldn't package Kemba, Jefferson, the #9 and a bunch of hookers to NY for the #4 and one of their SG bums.

Usually when someone reaches, it puts a team at the back of the top 10 in a good spot - but here? Especially with the Detroit trade? We need someone to reach HARD just to have leverage in a trade. With Henderson likely to opt out, I've never been more willing to shop Kemba's freshly paid scumbag azz too.
 

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His hype is solely because of Klay and playing at UK. I see cats on realgm talking about him like he's guaranteed to at least be JJ Redikk and I don't get it.

Tremont gotta chill. From the latest indications Flip is solely focused on players that fit with Wiggins.


It makes no sense, he's not the athlete McLemore was, he struggled his rookie year and he's not the playmaker Stauskas was in college and he struggled, dude is literally just a cat that can shoot and looks like Klay.
 

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It makes no sense, he's not the athlete McLemore was, he struggled his rookie year and he's not the playmaker Stauskas was in college and he struggled, dude is literally just a cat that can shoot and looks like Klay.
nikka left before they found out he can't play. Damn near all his shots were assisted too.
 

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It makes no sense, he's not the athlete McLemore was, he struggled his rookie year and he's not the playmaker Stauskas was in college and he struggled, dude is literally just a cat that can shoot and looks like Klay.

He had a hot stretch early in conf play then promptly cooled down by the end of the year and was the sole target of Wisconsin when they played UK.

I honestly like Vaughn better as a prospect.
 
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