1984 brehs
The NSA is giving your phone records to the DEA. And the DEA is covering it up.
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The question "why do we even have a DEA" just struck me brehs
We need to justify imprisonment of minorities and the poor somehow. Drugs are bad mmmkay
It means the failed war on drugs( people of color) can get worse
Well, I'm not surprised. The whistle blower on this secret project might get deep-sixed though.
Anyway, if you have a person riding dirty, but they don't do anything illegal while getting followed, then he can't get pulled over.
Big stuff is obvious and stupid: running through a red light, speeding 20 MPH over the speed limit, or driving a car without license plates.
Criminals are more careful, the cops have to look for any traffic violation to get probable cause to conduct a traffic stop. Brake light bulb is out? Didn't use a turn signal while changing lanes? Didn't come to a complete stop at a stop sign? Driving without headlights on after sundown? Driving 1 MPH over the speed limit? Air freshener pine tree hanging from the rear view mirror? They are all probable cause.
Anyway, if you have a person riding dirty, but they don't do anything illegal while getting followed, then he can't get pulled over.
Big stuff is obvious and stupid: running through a red light, speeding 20 MPH over the speed limit, or driving a car without license plates.
Criminals are more careful, the cops have to look for any traffic violation to get probable cause to conduct a traffic stop. Brake light bulb is out? Didn't use a turn signal while changing lanes? Didn't come to a complete stop at a stop sign? Driving without headlights on after sundown? Driving 1 MPH over the speed limit? Air freshener pine tree hanging from the rear view mirror? They are all probable cause.
Brown_Pride
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Again I'm torn here. The state is clearly recording shyt, we know this and quite frankly NOTHING is going to be done to stop this. Now in the course of this information gathering if they are able to discover that a crime is going to take place and they then place police in that area why not? What would worry me is the possibility of entrapment, which is a concern. Outside of that what's wrong with busting drug dealers?
Agreed. Again my only concern would be entrapment. BUT if you're doing dirt already and the man finds out why not stop a criminal?
that makes sense from a security standpoint.
The war on drugs is a bust AND it's disproportionately heavy against brown folks, particularly in smaller possession type charges. That didn't sound like what they were using this info for. This sounded more like they were hitting truckloads and the such. If so then again what's wrong with busting drug dealers?
The other question is are innocent people being framed or is it just that criminals, who are clearly engaging in criminal activity are upset because the rules are being broken?
sell dope from your iphone brehs..
Brown Ant
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Wrong. It's impossible to stay at 45 mph exactly for the whole time driving etc.
Brown_Pride
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i think his point was that if they want to pull you over they will find a reason. Which per cops i've known is pretty fukin accurate. Even to the point where i've heard stories of them stopping at payphones to call in "suspicious looking vehicles" that just so happen to fit the vehicle you're in so that they can stop you.
Brown Ant
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That's not probable cause though. That was MY point. They don't need probable cause to pull you over.
Brown_Pride
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Who don't the police? Unless something has changed I was under the impression they do. Now what constitutes probable cause can be paper thin in terms of legitimacy. But they do need it...right?
Brown Ant
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Nah, they can pull you over for whatever and be like 'just seeing where you're going "mjpls:"
It's that they need consent to search your car OR probable cause to search it. If they discover illegal shyt when illegally searching your car it's thrown out in court and you're clean without any charges. This doesn't even go to court if it is found out to be an illegal search beforehand.
Brown_Pride
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actually this is harassment, get a badge number.
this is true.
IF they stop you "just to see where you're going" and you have a dead guy in the back seat...you just lucked the fuk out.
Were you being serious with this one though
Yes, but it depends on your jurisdiction.
The violation in Virginia is § 46.2-855. Driving with driver's view obstructed or control impaired. Hanging a CD, fuzzy dice, Mardi Gras beads, or air freshener off the rear-view mirror is considered obstructing your view. Most of the time, people get away with it because it's not a big deal. But, it gives probable cause where a cop can write a ticket for it and it can stick in court. It does obstruct you view partially. You can try to challenge it if you ever get that ticket, but why bother. Don't hang anything. That's my freebie for all y'all that don't like to get pulled over.