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[Matt504]

You ever think it may be by design? It's easier to stay poor when you are poor, especially with children. What's the conditions making them poor? Why hate the poor instead of hating the capitalist system that keeps them poor?

I believe it's by design, I've been saying this for as long as I've been a member here, with that being said, the problem still exists, children are being birthed into poverty and the entire family suffers and it leads to people making poor decisions because "I can't allow my family to go to sleep without eating".

This isn't about hating poor people, it's about realistic solutions to problems that plague poor people, having more babies is not a solution, accident babies are not a solution, having a child while living in poverty and the father does nothing to support that child while he's off making even more children is not a solution, all of these problems can be nipped in the bud if the male had a reversible vasectomy and couldn't lay his eggs all over town creating babies he can't afford, the woman can have her tubes tied so she can't birth children until she's in a better financial situation and has planned for it.

I do hate the capitalist system, but we live in it and if we're not destroying the system the alternative is to change things we do have control over like whether or not we birth new children into poverty.

 

[Elle Driver]

I believe it's by design, I've been saying this for as long as I've been a member here, with that being said, the problem still exists, children are being birthed into poverty and the entire family suffers and it leads to people making poor decisions because "I can't allow my family to go to sleep without eating".

This isn't about hating poor people, it's about realistic solutions to problems that plague poor people, having more babies is not a solution, accident babies are not a solution, having a child while living in poverty and the father does nothing to support that child while he's off making even more children is not a solution, all of these problems can be nipped in the bud if the male had a reversible vasectomy and couldn't lay his eggs all over town creating babies he can't afford, the woman can have her tubes tied so she can't birth children until she's in a better financial situation and has planned for it.

I do hate the capitalist system, but we live in it and if we're not destroying the system the alternative is to change things we do have control over like whether or not we birth new children into poverty.

So the forced reversible vasectomies would be carried out by who, the government?

 

[Matt504]

So the forced reversible vasectomies would be carried out by who, the government?

the reversible vasectomies can also be voluntary, we speaking theoretically here, and they can be sponsored by the government meaning Obamacare could cover the cost and the person chooses which doctor will carry out the procedure, after the procedure, this person can't create any children until he wants to and plans for it and demonstrates that he's financially able to support this new child, their would of course have to be a criteria to meet, if he meets the criteria, he gets a reversal vasectomy, also sponsored by Obamacare, and is then able to attempt impregnate his partner.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

I've never claimed to 'know everything', I'm doing the exact opposite by asking other posters to suggest realistic alternatives.

With what I've proposed, if people want to have babies, they could demonstrate that they're able to financially support a new child, plan for that child and then have their vasectomy or tubal ligation reversed and the cost would be covered by the government.

Your assertion that technology will improve the quality of life of poor people needs more substance, if anything, technology will displace more employed people as technology provides a more efficient way of doing the same job without humans.

Technology has already greatly improved the carrying capacity of the earth. It's the one thing eugenicists fail to calculate. I could go and list all the improvements to farming that has been made the last century

You're openly calling for genocide on black people. Just realize that.

 

[Elle Driver]

the reversible vasectomies can also be voluntary, we speaking theoretically here, and they can be sponsored by the government meaning Obamacare could cover the cost and the person chooses which doctor will carry out the procedure, after the procedure, this person can't create any children until he wants to and plans for it and demonstrates that he's financially able to support this new child, their would of course have to be a criteria to meet, if he meets the criteria, he gets a reversal vasectomy, also sponsored by Obamacare, and is then able to attempt impregnate his partner.

So hypothetically speaking would this be optional?

 

[Matt504]

So hypothetically speaking would this be optional?

yes it'd be optional, but at a cost. There would be government entitlements that you'd no longer be eligible for if for example, you have one child while receiving entitlements and you get pregnant again and can't demonstrate that you have the income to support an additional child while receiving benefits, the exact thing that the voluntary vasectomies or tubal ligations seek to resolve.

 

[Aufheben]

this nikka's moron. and this whole thread is embarassing

aside from obvious ethical issues, sterilizing poor people doesn't even BEGIN to address poverty or its roots.

you keep running your dumb ass mouth about realistic alternatives when the are tons around that world that have been PROVEN to reduce poverty
the obstacles to fixing poverty are a matter of politics not economics

now log off the coli and read a book for once in your life you jack ass

 

[Matt504]

this nikka's moron. and this whole thread is embarassing

aside from obvious ethical issues, sterilizing poor people doesn't even BEGIN to address poverty or its roots.

you keep running your dumb ass mouth about realistic alternatives when the are tons around that world that have been PROVEN to reduce poverty
the obstacles to fixing poverty are a matter of politics not economics

now log off the coli and read a book for once in your life you jack ass

tell us more about these realistic alternatives, are they welfare programs?

 

[Trajan]

Sterilisation of poor black people. White supremacists were on to something....

But why stop there. How about black patients who are deemed intellectually disabled, characterised mentally ill, epileptic, blind, deaf, or physically deformed..... alcoholism or Huntington's Disease. The possibilities are endless

Create the perfect black master race to fight white supremacy
































Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"Sterilisation Law" was a statute in Nazi Germany enacted on July 14, 1933, (and made active in January 1934)[1] which allowed the compulsory sterilisation of any citizen who in the opinion of a "Genetic Health Court" (Gr.Erbgesundheitsgericht) suffered from a list of alleged genetic disorders

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I don't know how anyone can take anything he says seriously after those posts...

 

[Bawon Samedi]

You're openly calling for genocide on black people. Just realize that.

His talking points are that of a hardcore right winger and common st0rmfr0nter period. Since AAs are among the poorest groups in America and are assocaited with "violence" according to the racist media. Such we too be sterilized? Should all the blacks in Southside, Chicago be sterilized?

 

[Matt504]

I don't know how anyone can take anything he says seriously after those posts...

maybe it's because no one has offered any realistic solutions, the best you could come up with is "the government could stop being racist and classist", which is completely unrealistic as they literally have zero incentive to do so.

His talking points are that of a hardcore right winger and common st0rmfr0nter period. Since AAs are among the poorest groups in America and are assocaited with "violence" according to the racist media. Such we too be sterilized? Should all the blacks in Southside, Chicago be sterilized?

African American's aren't associated with 'violence' according to the racist media, African American's are associated with violence according to statistics, the violence in Chicago isn't racist media propaganda, Black people are actually out there killing Black people at record numbers, you can argue all day as to why that is, but it doesn't change the fact that it's happening.

 

[Aufheben]

tell us more about these realistic alternatives, are they welfare programs?

yes. first off, since i know you are a dumb nikka very much in need of education i will break some things down for you, dumb nikka:

83% percent of poor people are either children, old people, people with disabilities, students, people taking care of family members, or people who can’t find jobs-- children, elderly and disabled making up the bulk of this.

so when you talk about force sterilizing the poor this is who you would be targeting, dumb nikka.

there are a number of programs that we have already that have done quite a lot to reduce poverty, dumb nikka

social security is the major one as it has dramatically reduced elderly poverty since benefits began rising in the 60s Social Security and Elderly Poverty

SSI, TANF, disability insurance, veterans benefits, unemployment all lift people out of poverty. without these programs there would be many more impoverished

food stamps, eitc, child tax credit are proven to reduce poverty significantly

SNAP pulled 4million people pulled out of poverty in 2012 Census: SNAP Lifted 4 Million People Out of Poverty in 2012 and Reduced Hardship for Millions More | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

eitc and the child tax credit pulled 9.4 million people out of poverty in 2013
EITC and Child Tax Credit Promote Work, Reduce Poverty, and Support Children’s Development, Research Finds | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

though these programs are successful, overall we spend way too little on poverty as compared with the rest of the developed world which is a big part of why our child poverty rates are so high.

welfare is very good and reduces poverty greatly.

a more robust welfare state would dramatically reduce poverty and, by making it affordable to have children, actually give women the ability to make their own family choices--choices that you wish to deny them, dumb nikka.

 

[Matt504]

yes. first off, since i know you are a dumb nikka very much in need of education i will break some things down for you, dumb nikka:

83% percent of poor people are either children, old people, people with disabilities, students, people taking care of family members, or people who can’t find jobs-- children, elderly and disabled making up the bulk of this.

so when you talk about force sterilizing the poor this is who you would be targeting, dumb nikka.

there are a number of programs that we have already that have done quite a lot to reduce poverty, dumb nikka

social security is the major one as it has dramatically reduced elderly poverty since benefits began rising in the 60s Social Security and Elderly Poverty

SSI, TANF, disability insurance, veterans benefits, unemployment all lift people out of poverty. without these programs there would be many more impoverished

food stamps, eitc, child tax credit are proven to reduce poverty significantly

SNAP pulled 4million people pulled out of poverty in 2012 Census: SNAP Lifted 4 Million People Out of Poverty in 2012 and Reduced Hardship for Millions More | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

eitc and the child tax credit pulled 9.4 million people out of poverty in 2013
EITC and Child Tax Credit Promote Work, Reduce Poverty, and Support Children’s Development, Research Finds | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

though these programs are successful, overall we spend way too little on poverty as compared with the rest of the developed world which is a big part of why our child poverty rates are so high.

welfare is very good and reduces poverty greatly.

a more robust welfare state would dramatically reduce poverty and, by making it affordable to have children, actually give women the ability to make their own family choices--choices that you wish to deny them, dumb nikka.

you do realize that the money that supports welfare systems isn't pulled from thin air right, welfare is unsustainable when we're 18 trillion dollars in debt.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

maybe it's because no one has offered any realistic solutions, the best you could come up with is "the government could stop being racist and classist", which is completely unrealistic as they literally have zero incentive to do so.
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You keep spamming the word "realistic" like an idiot when people already answered you. Including me.
http://www.thecoli.com/posts/18118288/

You then gave a weakass response with this.
http://www.thecoli.com/posts/18118319/

So according to YOU, you essentially you support a racist government sterilizing people of color.

African American's aren't associated with 'violence' according to the racist media, African American's are associated with violence according to statistics, the violence in Chicago isn't racist media propaganda, Black people are actually out there killing Black people at record numbers, you can argue all day as to why that is, but it doesn't change the fact that it's happening.

So you agree 27.4% of black people in the USA should be sterilized? Yeah I would stop posting before a big neg train gets negged on you.