The New Yorker: The Descendants of Slaves in Nigeria Fight for Equality

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Sephardic Jews stayed in Morocco, migrated to the Netherlands or the Ottoman Empire. You’re spreading lies that there was a mass migration of Iberian Jews to West Africa

You are giving bad information bruh. There was a whole Jewish community that settled in Senegal after their expulsion from Spain. Those Jews intermarried with the people in Senegal. There was written on that subject and I am going to dig it out and find it for you.
 

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You're talking about the Portugese settlements in Cape Verde and off the coast, where the Iberians seized jewish children from Spain and Portugal and dumped them there. Jewish adults fleeing Euro persecution and marrying into West African bloodlines would have been such a tiny number to make that presence insignificant.
People were dismissing the 'lost tribe" "missing jews" of West Africa myths as nonsense........which they are

No I am not talking about that. I am talking about Separdhi Jews that settled in Senegal.
 

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You are giving bad information bruh. There was a whole Jewish community that settled in Senegal after their expulsion from Spain. Those Jews intermarried with the people in Senegal. There was written on that subject and I am going to dig it out and find it for you.

Please do and explain how these people are Af Am ancestors, Af Ams don’t carry any Jewish phenotypes
 

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No I am not talking about that. I am talking about Separdhi Jews that settled in Senegal.
Sephardi literally refers to jews who settled around Iberia (spain/portugal).

The date that the settlements in Senegal began do NOT coincide with jews being expelled from Spain around the time of Columbus' voyage.
 

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Please do and explain how these people are Af Am ancestors, Af Ams don’t carry any Jewish phenotypes

What are you writing about? I am not talking about no phenotypes or Af Am ancestors. I literally telling that Jews settled in West Africa after their expulsion from Spain. There are literally West Africans walking around with Jewish DNA. They intermarried with Africans when they were there. I took a deep ancestry test from National Geographic and I found out that I have 2% Sephardi Jewish DNA. There are other West Africans with Sephardi DNA too.

Here is the book that I was referring to.

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"This book traces the history of early seventeenth-century Portuguese Sephardic traders who settled in two communities on Senegal's Petite Côte. There, they lived as public Jews, under the spiritual guidance of a rabbi sent to them by the newly established Portuguese Jewish community in Amsterdam. In Senegal, the Jews were protected from agents of the Inquisition by local Muslim rulers. The Petite Côte communities included several Jews of mixed Portuguese-African heritage as well as African wives, offspring, and servants. The blade weapons trade was an important part of their commercial activities. These merchants participated marginally in the slave trade but fully in the arms trade, illegally supplying West African markets with swords. This blade weapons trade depended on artisans and merchants based in Morocco, Lisbon, and northern Europe and affected warfare in the Sahel and along the Upper Guinea Coast. After members of these communities moved to the United Provinces around 1620, they had a profound influence on relations between black and white Jews in Amsterdam. The study not only discovers previously unknown Jewish communities but by doing so offers a reinterpretation of the dynamics and processes of identity construction throughout the Atlantic world."
 

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What are you writing about? I am not talking about no phenotypes or Af Am ancestors. I literally telling that Jews settled in West Africa after their expulsion from Spain. There are literally West Africans walking around with Jewish DNA. They intermarried with Africans when they were there. I took a deep ancestry test from National Geographic and I found out that I have 2% Sephardi Jewish DNA. There are other West Africans with Sephardi DNA too.

Here is the book that I was referring to.

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"This book traces the history of early seventeenth-century Portuguese Sephardic traders who settled in two communities on Senegal's Petite Côte. There, they lived as public Jews, under the spiritual guidance of a rabbi sent to them by the newly established Portuguese Jewish community in Amsterdam. In Senegal, the Jews were protected from agents of the Inquisition by local Muslim rulers. The Petite Côte communities included several Jews of mixed Portuguese-African heritage as well as African wives, offspring, and servants. The blade weapons trade was an important part of their commercial activities. These merchants participated marginally in the slave trade but fully in the arms trade, illegally supplying West African markets with swords. This blade weapons trade depended on artisans and merchants based in Morocco, Lisbon, and northern Europe and affected warfare in the Sahel and along the Upper Guinea Coast. After members of these communities moved to the United Provinces around 1620, they had a profound influence on relations between black and white Jews in Amsterdam. The study not only discovers previously unknown Jewish communities but by doing so offers a reinterpretation of the dynamics and processes of identity construction throughout the Atlantic world."

Could’ve been from your white ancestors
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Do you not understand what I am pointing out to you?

I am literally telling you that a lot Jews moved into West Africa and intermarried with Africans when the Jews were expelled out of Spain in 1492.
This book traces the history of early seventeenth-century Portuguese Sephardic traders who settled in two communities on Senegal's Petite Côte.."

Sephardi literally refers to jews who settled around Iberia (spain/portugal).
The date that the settlements in Senegal began do NOT coincide with jews being expelled from Spain around the time of Columbus' voyage.

If you get a chance to look it up, what was the size of the jewish male trader community in those locations? I think I stand by what I wrote about that bloodline being relatively insignificant.
Also doesn't negate the debunked myths of the "lost jews of Africa" that were posted here.


Also, would the people descended from those unions be considered jewish, since they do not descend from jewish women?
 

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Fukk you bytch ass neega. How dare your ashy ass disrespect me.

You just revealed your inner coward.

"but but Republicans will win...."


You are conflating demanding something tangible for your vote with not voting at all.

I personally have NEVER told black folks not to vote. But i the Dems ain't coming correct in 2020 I always say vote down ballot and vote Independent or write-in for President.

We don't owe the Dems our votes if our issues won't be addressed.
It's 2 party system. That means either the dems or the republicans are going to be in power. It's an either-or/this or that choice. Voting independent or writing in candidates who have no shot is the definition of being a coward.

Yes,The reality is that if the dems don't win the republicans will you weak minded fakkit. You cant accept the reality of the situation that you're in.

Reparations isn't the only issue thats on the table for black people dummy. For a lot of black people healthcare is an issue. As I've explained over and over, voting rights/political power is an issue for blacks in several states where republicans are openly trying to weaken black political power by suppressing our voting block. You nor any of these other clowns haven't said one thing to address any of that. Y'all pretend as ignorant thenonly issue that black people should be concerned about is reparations and that's because you don't think for yourself. All you can do is repeat these same simple ass ready made talking points that you've been fed listening to somebody else.
 

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If you get a chance to look it up, what was the size of the jewish male trader community in those locations? I think I stand by what I wrote about that bloodline being relatively insignificant.
Also doesn't negate the debunked myths of the "lost jews of Africa" that were posted here.


Also, would the people descended from those unions be considered jewish, since they do not descend from jewish women?

So now we agree that there were lots of Jews in West Africa, but now we are saying that they came 1600 rather than 1500?

All that I know is that they were expelled from Spain and they went to Senegal. For all I know they might have been lost in the Sahara for a hundred years; afterall they were lost in a smaller desert for 40 years. AmIright?
 

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So now we agree that there were lots of Jews in West Africa, but now we are saying that they came 1600 rather than 1500?

All that I know is that they were expelled from Spain and they went to Senegal. For all I know they might have been lost in the Sahara for a hundred years; afterall they were lost in a smaller desert for 40 years. AmIright?
uh, no,
the question was what was the size of that jewish male trader population.
YOU are the one who said lots of jews moved to west africa following the expulsion from Spain.

The facts, from the book you listed, says different

heading says COMPREHENSIVE list of this entire trading network of jews
jewish traders settled in the two communities in Senegal + other jews in Senegambia + other jews in (modern day) Netherlands + other jews in Porugal
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uh, no,
the question was what was the size of that jewish male trader population.
YOU are the one who said lots of jews moved to west africa following the expulsion from Spain.

The facts, from the book you listed, says different

heading says COMPREHENSIVE list of this entire trading network of jews
jewish traders settled in the two communities in Senegal + other jews in Senegambia + other jews in (modern day) Netherlands + other jews in Porugal
.


That was not the question. Actually there was not even a question at all that I was responding to. It was actually a statement someone made about the Jewish only being in North and East Africa. I pointed out that Jews were also in West and South Africa too. Btw, there were not just a few Jews in West Africa there were lots of them all and in place like Mali. It is is kind of comical though that you guys didn't even know that there were Jews in Senegal, but now you want to challenge how many were there? :russ:
 

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You're talking about the Portugese settlements in Cape Verde and off the coast, where the Iberians seized jewish children from Spain and Portugal and dumped them there.
I was wrong about the country, it was Sao Tome, not Cape Verde

"King Manuel I of Portugal exiled about 2,000 Jewish children under the age of ten, to São Tomé and Príncipe around 1500."

When I hear of person of West African descent with Sephardi heritage, I assume it comes from this influx. 2000 people descending on an island will affect the gene pool. Jewish groups settling on the mainland of Africa and intermarrying with the residents of an area will disappear within a few generations.
 

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I think it’s rich for Aframs to speak on a Nigerian caste system when there is a caste very much embedded within our own community.
 
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