The Myth of the 'War' Between Science and Religion

[NZA]

sounds like god of the gaps

 

[Brown_Pride]

How would one 'test' the beginning of the Universe empirically?

How would one 'test' a 'deity's ' existence empirically?

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faith...

 

[tru_m.a.c]

there's a lot of truth in this.

Both religious groups AND secular groups like to group both sides into one homogeneous buckets when a more nuanced approach should be taken. How often do you see an EXTREMIST do some shyt and the first thing out some fools mouth is, "religion lost", is if the actions of one man, or group of men define an entire thing.

MOST religions, at their core, are beautiful things of piece, where by and large the often overly obtuse theme is to do good, not harm and love.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, humans are generally the wrench in what are otherwise reasonably well intentioned institutions, be they religious, political, or social.

Just throw away the dogma, cut out the indefensible atrocities and become humanist already....it becomes tiring having you dudes argue for your religious beliefs. Y'all sound like redskins fans holding on to a damn team name.

If it's all about do no harm and love then you wouldn't need a specific authority figure for guidance. You wouldn't restrict yourself to one spiritual journey.

But we both know that couldn't happen. I just came from a funeral service last week where the preacher said, "Jesus is the only way to salvation. Not Confucius. Not Muhammad." *stares into audience* "Yeah I said. Yes I named people. Because there is one and only one way to God."

You cats defend people with this modified "we're all just humans" rhetoric that is NOT repeated and felt in any church. And the ones that do respect that message state that they are non denominational.

 

[IVS]

Umm I always remind people that religion is a science. Books, and doctrines and such. It's sociology and social engineering.

 

[Type Username Here]

Absolutely incorrect. That's like saying government is the Constitution.​

The government is the Constitution. That text sets the organization, behavior and restrictions of the government. It's a social contract that yields power from the people to the government.

Bad example on your part I would think. Religious people get their SPIRITUALITY and, morality along with other aspects of society from specific religious texts or people who interpret those texts. That's what a religion is, otherwise you're talking about deism.

 

[Type Username Here]

sounds like god of the gaps

It is. And the gap gets smaller by the day.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

But we both know that couldn't happen. I just came from a funeral service last week where the preacher said, "Jesus is the only way to salvation. Not Confucius. Not Muhammad." *stares into audience* "Yeah I said. Yes I named people. Because there is one and only one way to God."

So, one dude speaks for ALL the billions of people?

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[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

The government is the Constitution.

Absolutely wrong again. The Constitution is the BASIS of Government. The texts are the BASIS for religious thought and practice.

Both are subject to interpretation.​

 

[Type Username Here]

Umm I always remind people that religion is a science. Books, and doctrines and such. It's sociology and social engineering.

It's a subset of philosophy.

 

[Type Username Here]

Absolutely wrong again. The Constitution is the BASIS of Government. The texts are the BASIS for religious thought and practice.​

Disingenuous semantics as usual. Nothing much has changed.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Disingenuous semantics as usual.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/467746/political-system/36727/Constitutional-government​

Constitutional government is defined by the existence of a constitution—which may be a legal instrument or merely a set of fixed norms or principles generally accepted as the fundamental law of the polity—that effectively controls the exercise of political power.

Straw man......​

 

[Type Username Here]

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/467746/political-system/36727/Constitutional-government​

Straw man......​

Yes, and a religion is defined by the existence of Holy texts or stories.

Which was my original point to begin with. There is no supernatural element to those texts. I'm not arguing against deism, I'm arguing against theism.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Just throw away the dogma, cut out the indefensible atrocities and become humanist already....it becomes tiring having you dudes argue for your religious beliefs. Y'all sound like redskins fans holding on to a damn team name.

If it's all about do no harm and love then you wouldn't need a specific authority figure for guidance. You wouldn't restrict yourself to one spiritual journey.

But we both know that couldn't happen. I just came from a funeral service last week where the preacher said, "Jesus is the only way to salvation. Not Confucius. Not Muhammad." *stares into audience* "Yeah I said. Yes I named people. Because there is one and only one way to God."

You cats defend people with this modified "we're all just humans" rhetoric that is NOT repeated and felt in any church. And the ones that do respect that message state that they are non denominational.

Nah. I'm christian, but I also respect other people for their views and beliefs. I know what i've read in the bible and believe what I believe. I don't have all the answers, no one does.

And again is it that difficult for people basically having a philosophical discussion to NOT have to resort to anecdotal evidence?

Science is structured so as to allow for not knowing, hell it thrives in ignorance and hides behind it (a la, "well if it's proven wrong then it wasn't a theory it was a hypothesis).

Where religion went wrong is that it attempted to lay claim facts and universal truth which is wrong.

The issue at hand now is you have one group who loves to know that they don't know getting upset at another group claiming they do know by saying "we know you don't know you just dont' know it". Which i have no real problem with to be honest. What I do have a problem with is when people come at belief (namely mine and many people like me) claiming to know i'm wrong when they themselves thrive in not knowing...
To take that a step further
I know I don't know, but I seek answers, yes from a higher power, yes through prayer, and analysis of my life and the world around me.

The ironic part is outside of the "higher power" most scientist do the same.

You know what I think i'll make the following statement...
Since I cannot empirically prove God, nor can you empirically ever prove a lot of theoretical physics, the big bang, string theory, etc, we're both two thinking people with theories that we'll never be able to put t an empirical test, at least not in our lifetime, so as of this moment, like it or not, you rely heavily on faith. Faith in numbers and science to model out certain things...certain changing things. As do I. Only I rely on faith in my communications with god, my life, and the world around me.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Yes, and a religion is defined by the existence of Holy texts or stories.

Not totally, but mostly and only by Western standards.​

Which was my original point to begin with. There is no supernatural element to those texts. I'm not arguing against deism, I'm arguing against theism.

Sure there is, just as the beginning of the Universe is supernatural.
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[Type Username Here]

Not totally, but mostly and only by Western standards.​

Sure there is, just as the beginning of the Universe is supernatural.
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What is supernatural about the texts?