The Myth of the 'War' Between Science and Religion

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ran across this just last night, 8 minute and the 58 min. version. Covers the op subject matter.


Jordan Maxwell - The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You To Read




 

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Religion and science are compatible up until the point where science "undermines" religious beliefs.

When we reach that point, there are several outcomes:

First is usually anger or dismissal. Second is acceptance, usually in the way of the religious person bending their interpretation of religious text to say the text knew it all along. It's disingenuous.

There is no war. Only the constant battle between right and wrong. And science always wins that eventually.
how can science undermine religious belief?
In order for that to actually happen you have to explain the SUPERnatural (which means OUTSIDE OF NATURE) with the laws of nature...by definition it's literally apples and oranges...hell not even oranges more like apples and next gen gaming systems.
 

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So then my friend, you have no problem cosigning this statement..

"In the eighteenth century, a remarkable synergy developed between religion and the sciences in England. Newton's "celestial mechanics" was widely regarded as at worst consistent with, and at best a glorious confirmation of, the Christian view of God as creator of a harmonious universe."

If not, can you guys with completely different religious views stop hiding behind the generic term "religion." Your sentence, this thread, and that article would read completely different if it said "myth of war between science and Catholicism."
there's a lot of truth in this.

Both religious groups AND secular groups like to group both sides into one homogeneous buckets when a more nuanced approach should be taken. How often do you see an EXTREMIST do some shyt and the first thing out some fools mouth is, "religion lost", is if the actions of one man, or group of men define an entire thing.

MOST religions, at their core, are beautiful things of piece, where by and large the often overly obtuse theme is to do good, not harm and love.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, humans are generally the wrench in what are otherwise reasonably well intentioned institutions, be they religious, political, or social.
 

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There are a number of things...in almost all religious texts...that are EASILY disproved by science.

And since these religions all require their devotees to take the word of said religious texts at face value, NO science and religion are NOT compatible.
http://www.free-bible-study-lessons.net/bible-interpretation-lesson-1-2.html

no joke read that. NO we don't have to take what's in the bible at face value.

A crazy bible thumper is to a biblical scholar what a google scholar is to a learned scientist.
 

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how can science undermine religious belief?
In order for that to actually happen you have to explain the SUPERnatural (which means OUTSIDE OF NATURE) with the laws of nature...by definition it's literally apples and oranges...hell not even oranges more like apples and next gen gaming systems.

When you guys start defending this, do you realize we can deconstruct miracles/dogma through scientific methods?
 

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how can science undermine religious belief?
In order for that to actually happen you have to explain the SUPERnatural (which means OUTSIDE OF NATURE) with the laws of nature...by definition it's literally apples and oranges...hell not even oranges more like apples and next gen gaming systems.


This is a copout and you know it. You're conflicting deism with theism, a very old religious tactic in order to reroute valid criticism away from attacking religious shortfalls.

Religion is a set of texts. It has no supernatural element to it. You can say that a supreme force or deity exists beyond the natural universe ( a different philosophical debate in of itself that can be saved for another thread) but we are speaking about religions, which are man made philosophical social structures.

Do you believe that evolution is the best explanation for the rise of human beings and other animals? Plenty of people do not simply because it interferes with their religious texts. You have people who don't believe fresh and salt water can mix because of religious texts, even after you show them. What does the supernatural have to do with these concepts?
 

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That's the point....since it's been disproven it's no longer a theory :what:
i love this get out of jail free card.
You can go on forever "theorizing" damn near anything, preach and teach it like it's gospel, find out it's wrong and go, "boom science wins again".

I can't put my finger on it but there's a certain level of intellectual dishonesty embedded in the use of theories as a fall guy. It feels like when you used to play tag with that one kid when you where younger and everytime you chased his ass down he called timeout. :stopitslime:
 

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When a theory is wrong, it is no longer a theory.​
Yah basically man a theory is something that has been tested via empirical investigation and analysis and all evidence that points to the contrary is invalid.

If something....ANYTHING regarding the basic aspects of the theory can be disproven, then it can no longer be called a theory because a theory by definition has been carefully examined in order to remove such flaws.

This is what separates a "theory" from a "hypothesis"
 

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This is a copout and you know it. You're conflicting deism with theism, a very old religious tactic in order to reroute valid criticism away from attacking religious shortfalls.

Religion is a set of texts. It has no supernatural element to it. You can say that a supreme force or deity exists beyond the natural universe ( a different philosophical debate in of itself that can be saved for another thread) but we are speaking about religions, which are man made philosophical social structures.

As a believer I find RELIGIONS to be man made, but the spiritual elements to it are just that spiritual (supernatural). Personally I can't stand most religions/churches because of the overreaching they tend to do based on my reading and understanding of the bible. The thing is I'm able to look through history, clearly see where some shyt went really wrong and where various people did things to suit them and them alone and then attempt to pass it off as "the word of god". It is both possible to believe AND not turn a blind eye to things that religion has done.

Do you believe that evolution is the best explanation for the rise of human beings and other animals?
Yes.

Plenty of people do not simply because it interferes with their religious texts.
Again here's the grouping I was talking about earlier. Look, i get A LOT of religious people are dumb brainwashed zombies, I get it. Most haven't read the bible, and fewer still have actually taken any stabs at truly trying to understand it from either and exegetical or Hermeneutic point and fewer even still from both, and then fewer even still who do those two things AND attempt to separate themselves from the centuries of Dogma and ingrained belief. As I said earlier though, don't group everyone up.

You have people who don't believe fresh and salt water can mix because of religious texts, even after you show them. What does the supernatural have to do with these concepts?
If you want to place every ignorant religious person on my "team" then I get to place every google scholar (many of them on this board) on your "team". This does no one any good and I'd rather not.

I'm trying to stay on topic as much as possible with regards to science and religion not being mutually exclusive.
 
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