The Myth of "Class Reductionism"

[Pressure]

Have you been drinking?

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[Pressure]

An article by the intercept saying reparations is a vague term and done so by doing a push aside of direct payments.


Bernie Sanders Asks the Right Question on Reparations: What Does It Mean?

 

[Pressure]

FDRs new deal which is championed as the gold standard by Sanders and other progressives was wrought into the place by the same systemic levers that caused the racial race gap in the firdt place.

Industries that benefited black Americans were left out entirely to shape a romanticized era of the middle class that never included black Americans.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

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An article by the intercept saying reparations is a vague term and done so by doing a push aside of direct payments.

So everyone who doesn't support direct payments for reparations is "class reductionist" now? Congratulations on bushing damn never every White politician that has ever lived including all the ones you support. Reparations has what support among White people, something like 15% (nearly all of whom are radical progressives, not the centrists that Bernie critiques) and that's probably a peak in our lifetimes?


Claiming that everyone who doesn't support reparations is class reductionist is like claiming that everyone who no longer supports the Iraq War is a pacifist. The terms don't work that way.

 

[mastermind]

An article by the intercept saying reparations is a vague term and done so by doing a push aside of direct payments.


Bernie Sanders Asks the Right Question on Reparations: What Does It Mean?

Did you read the article? A lot of your heroes don’t earnestly support reparations. Bernard just didn’t do the fake political talk that makes people feel good.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Ball
Kyle
Dore

As far as YouTube personalities go these three are bigger names and all make class reductions arguments and I’m told represent the left

I ignore most of it unless it’s shared here but it’s pretty trendy. I think there’s a thread with a lot of shytty takes in this very sub actually.

op is white so he thinks it’s humorous. I don’t think it’s a laughing matter.

Yeah, none of them have a million followers. lol
Krystal/Rising used to but she left to do her own thing and can no longer claim those numbers from The Hill.
And only Kyle is somewhat of a class reductionsist. Krystal and Jimmy may champion socialist type policies that benefit everyone moreso something specific to an ethnic group but they are not against anything specific to a ethnic group. They are just white people like most not particularly thinking about Black people so they don't talk about it a lot.

 

[Oville]

wikipedia says he's a venture capital lawyer.

Not great for my impression of her bonafides but it would seemingly make it unlikely that she's a class reductionist.




Reading this article as well as the linked article by his son, it doesn't appear to me that either one of them is reluctant to point out that movements have targeted Black people. They show that quite explicitly. What they claim is that the primary motivation behind the targeting of black people was in order to degrade their status such that they could be exploited for cheap labor (slavery / sharecropping / low-wage workforce) and that any attempt to improve the general status of the black community must include wide-ranging economic uplift measures in addition to the ending of overt discrimination, because ending discrimination while keeping the economic status quo in place will simply ensure that Black folk generally remain in the lower economic bracket that discrimination forced them into and thus the long-term objectives of White Supremacy will remain successful.

Yes, but they've also gone on to say things like talking about white supremacy is anti solidaristic. Like I do feel

wikipedia says he's a venture capital lawyer.

Not great for my impression of her bonafides but it awould seemingly make it unlikely that she's a class reductionist.




Reading this article as well as the linked article by his son, it doesn't appear to me that either one of them is reluctant to point out that movements have targeted Black people. They show that quite explicitly. What they claim is that the primary motivation behind the targeting of black people was in order to degrade their status such that they could be exploited for cheap labor (slavery / sharecropping / low-wage workforce) and that any attempt to improve the general status of the black community must include wide-ranging economic uplift measures in addition to the ending of overt discrimination, because ending discrimination while keeping the economic status quo in place will simply ensure that Black folk generally remain in the lower economic bracket that discrimination forced them into and thus the long-term objectives of White Supremacy will remain successful.

Its not that they don´t acknowledge that things have been done to specific groups, its that they go hard against any language that talks about any political or historical convesation that frames things from the perspective of a specific group. I dead ass heard Toure Reid say that he wants to disassociate himself from anyone who talks about things such as white supremacy from the movement on the grounds that its anti-solidaristic. Also this antagonistic attitude they´ve had in their critique of the 1619 project as some type of race reductionist essay. There are plenty of chapters on the 1619 project that frame the struggles of black people via things like slavery and segretation from a classed based and economic perspective but they caricature it unfairly as a document that purely frames the black oppression from a moralistic perspective which I find to be not true. They provide a great critique of how identity politics that can be hollow when its devoid of a class basis but when they go beyond that and rail against any kind of discussion of specific groups and when thereś calls from people like them to not discuss actions being taken on specific groups in society I feel that theyŕe essentially throwing out the baby with the bath water. Reid talks about the black vote being an abstraction when you can pretty much say the same thing of any voting bloc including class. Its why we constantly talk about how in this country people vote against their own economic interests. Obviously no groups can be expected to vote 100 percent one way but we can use samples of surveys which can generalize what are the concerns of people of various groups.

Yes, we need to increase class consciousness but when black people and members of other groups are skeptical that that alone does not describe the most comprehensive lens of how we should view politics and history its grounded on historical circumstances of seeing white working class move go against members of other minority communities. Thatś why Iḿ critical of people who rather than critique the hollow and disinguenous ways identity politics can be used, go all the way and become antagonistic of any discussion thatś grounded in the specific struggles of a particular group.

 

[Ezra]

FDRs new deal which is championed as the gold standard by Sanders and other progressives was wrought into the place by the same systemic levers that caused the racial race gap in the firdt place.

Industries that benefited black Americans were left out entirely to shape a romanticized era of the middle class that never included black Americans.

Yes, the New Deal did all those things. It's a bit disingenous to think Sanders, or anyone modern progressive want those same barriers placed today. The point is the the biggest economic growth in our country was related to New Deal programs, and if we do something similar AND AVAILABLE TO ALL, we will get the same benefits

 

[Ezra]

Ball
Kyle
Dore

As far as YouTube personalities go these three are bigger names and all make class reductions arguments and I’m told represent the left

I ignore most of it unless it’s shared here but it’s pretty trendy. I think there’s a thread with a lot of shytty takes in this very sub actually.

op is white so he thinks it’s humorous. I don’t think it’s a laughing matter.

Yes they make class reductionist arguments. Yes the are on the left (sort of), but in no way do they represent the left.

All 3 are trash.

 

[Corny Batman]

Me, naming a leftist: "Dr. Cornel West, known worldwide, highly publicized, and not a class reductionist by any stretch of the imagination."

Centrists, trying to name a leftist class reductionist: "Uh... a guy named Kyle?"

 

[Corny Batman]

I have a question for ∆y = f(∆x)

I had forgotten about this. This jackass is always complaining about "class reductionism" and meanwhile he's a casual St0rmfront browser.