Corny Batman
Caped Crusader
They're desperate to not engage with the content of the article. 
Class. The one subject they don't want discussed.
Class. The one subject they don't want discussed.
The Myth of "Class Reductionism"
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mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
List them. And be careful, they need millions of followers.Okay there are a lot of popular YouTube personalities, writers, and academics that hold these views and have millions of followers…
people don’t engage honestly with op because he’s full of shyt
ADevilYouKhow
Rhyme Reason
Ball
Kyle
Dore
As far as YouTube personalities go these three are bigger names and all make class reductions arguments and I’m told represent the left
I ignore most of it unless it’s shared here but it’s pretty trendy. I think there’s a thread with a lot of shytty takes in this very sub actually.
op is white so he thinks it’s humorous. I don’t think it’s a laughing matter.
ADevilYouKhow
Rhyme Reason
If you want to click up with fascists to fight class inequalities instead of confront racism I don’t know what to say to you
not sure what’s up with all the flippant comments, maybe racism is edgy on the coli now
Corny Batman
Caped Crusader
Fascists aren't about fighting class inequalities, you dope. 
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Nah, I asked you for class reductionists with millions of followers. You haven’t provided any.
Ball
Kyle
Dore
As far as YouTube personalities go these three are bigger names and all make class reductions arguments and I’m told represent the left
I ignore most of it unless it’s shared here but it’s pretty trendy. I think there’s a thread with a lot of shytty takes in this very sub actually.
op is white so he thinks it’s humorous. I don’t think it’s a laughing matter.
Thank you. Personally, I don't know if any of those three are class reductionist (others here I assume can say whether that label is accurate or not?). I wouldn't think of them of being as much significance either but like you I only know them from what gets posted here so I'm not a good judge.
ADevilYouKhow
Rhyme Reason
That was the pointFascists aren't about fighting class inequalities, you dope.
ADevilYouKhow
Rhyme Reason
Uh I did but you clearly have an agenda
I never read any of Adolph Reedś books but have heard a lot of his interviews. Him and his son often want to obscure any socio/political issue that delves within a race based focused not because their necessarily uncle toms who act like racism doesnẗ exist but because they feel that all racial tension today is derived from class based issues with origins going back centuries and how they permeate today. While I do agree that identity politics without a class basis behind it is generally a hollow and shallow view of politics I do think its important to point out movements going on in society that are targeted against a specific group of people. The people who I see as class reductionists are people who would rather not bring up identitarian issues at all and speak in more broader based class based terms because even though they acknowledge racism exists, they think anything that affects specific identity groups or talking about things in an identitarian way drives to many working class whites out. Iḿ all for leading with universal programs and class based materialist politics. But its fair to ask to what degree are we willing to obscure political movements antagonistic towards specific identitarian groups just so that we can build a coalition with people who may or may not be on board with truly improving the material interests of everyone.
Iḿ someone whose adopted a more marxist identitarian perspective on my politics over the years but I don´t feel the need to harp on a false choice of seeing things from a class based lens or an identitarian lens. Todayś right wing is driven by maintaining a certain identity thatś been dominant in American culture since its inception. You can´t ask minority groups to refrain from talking things from a more identitarian perspective when the right wing is constantly playing their only identity politics on a daily basis. Yes, people are driven by material interests but human beings don´t just have reptilian brains where there only concern is eating, sleeping, and fukking. Human beings do develop cultural affinities and sometimes those cultural affinities find their way into politics. The white working class in this country has often been known to vote against their own economic interests due to preserve the cultural dominance they once had. We might think these issues are tedious and dumb but I think its much better to see this reality as something that we should look out for and prepare as opposed to treating these people as misunderstanding whatś really important.
Iḿ someone whose adopted a more marxist identitarian perspective on my politics over the years but I don´t feel the need to harp on a false choice of seeing things from a class based lens or an identitarian lens. Todayś right wing is driven by maintaining a certain identity thatś been dominant in American culture since its inception. You can´t ask minority groups to refrain from talking things from a more identitarian perspective when the right wing is constantly playing their only identity politics on a daily basis. Yes, people are driven by material interests but human beings don´t just have reptilian brains where there only concern is eating, sleeping, and fukking. Human beings do develop cultural affinities and sometimes those cultural affinities find their way into politics. The white working class in this country has often been known to vote against their own economic interests due to preserve the cultural dominance they once had. We might think these issues are tedious and dumb but I think its much better to see this reality as something that we should look out for and prepare as opposed to treating these people as misunderstanding whatś really important.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
what agenda do I have?
And none of those three have over a million followers as individuals.
And IDK if any of them think class reductionists. Krystal Ball's husband is the CEO of a charter school company, iirc.
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Corny Batman
Caped Crusader
I've never seen them perform "class reductionism" and they're just youtubers and failed comedians.
To give an example of an actual significant leftist, Dr. Cornel West. Is he a "class reductionist?"
wikipedia says he's a venture capital lawyer.
Not great for my impression of her bonafides but it would seemingly make it unlikely that she's a class reductionist.
Reading this article as well as the linked article by his son, it doesn't appear to me that either one of them is reluctant to point out that movements have targeted Black people. They show that quite explicitly. What they claim is that the primary motivation behind the targeting of black people was in order to degrade their status such that they could be exploited for cheap labor (slavery / sharecropping / low-wage workforce) and that any attempt to improve the general status of the black community must include wide-ranging economic uplift measures in addition to the ending of overt discrimination, because ending discrimination while keeping the economic status quo in place will simply ensure that Black folk generally remain in the lower economic bracket that discrimination forced them into and thus the long-term objectives of White Supremacy will remain successful.
@88m3 has somehow allowed them focus on millions of followers and power.
When the truth is none of the left media has millions of followers nor power.
That said, his critique wasn't about leftist. It was about a movement tosuprees people who supported Bernie Sanders.
And the easiest example that disapproves this narrative is Joe Rogan.
When the truth is none of the left media has millions of followers nor power.
That said, his critique wasn't about leftist. It was about a movement tosuprees people who supported Bernie Sanders.
And the easiest example that disapproves this narrative is Joe Rogan.
Corny Batman
Caped Crusader
Have you been drinking?