The Mathematical Impossibility Of Evolution - 1 chance out of a trillion, trillion, trillion+

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Only part of it was luck. It's not like *poof* out comes a human from nature. Once the first cell was created, the laws of physics and biology provided a track for many species to be evolved from it. Indeed if the situation played out all over again, perhaps humans would never have evolved to be humans. So there is some luck involved but we are the way we are because we adapted to the environment we were living in.

But nvm that. Even if it is a lucky accident. So what?

Im not even sure what youre trying to communicate here. But if I had to guess, its you trying to rationalize the inconvenient odds attached to the possibility of our existence being solely governed by the process of evolution before backpeddling due to uncertainty in your reasoning. Then dropping it all together with a "who cares":yeshrug:

lol who are you trying to convince right now me or you.
 

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This is not true. There was a moth in England that actually changed it's coloration in-response to the Industrial Revolution's pollution. They were light-colored to better camouflage themselves against trees but the trees got covered in soot so they evolved dark coloration for better camouflage. This was accomplished through natural selection: the light-colored moths got eaten by predators while the dark-colored moths survived to procreate.​

guy, evolution only took place amongst humans

u can't show observed evidence of evolution in other species
 

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The fact remains there is a creator

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Are you dense? Creator is something or someone that brings something into being. a person or thing that creates. Create: to cause to come into being, as some thing unique that would not randomly evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes. A creator deity or creator god (often called the Creator) is a deity responsible for the creation of the world (cosmos or universe). In monotheism, the single God is often also the creator deity, while polytheistic traditions may or may not have creator deities. A number of monolartristic traditions separate a secondary creator from a primary transcendent being, identified as a primary creator.
 

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Not an expert but don't we see evolution in viruses all the time
 

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The first flaw of the article resides in its title : one chance out of a trillion, tirllion, trillion +, is still one chance, therefore it's not an impossibility, it's an improbability, which is totally different because one can't happen and the other one can.

But still let's understand WHO wrote this :
http://www.icr.org/discover/
For over four decades, the Institute for Creation Research has equipped believers with evidence of the Bible's accuracy and authority through scientific research, educational programs, and media presentations, all conducted within a thoroughly biblical framework.

  • Who We Are — Discover more about ICR’s history and mission.

What they BELIEVE then ?
http://www.icr.org/tenets/
Principles of Scientific Creationism
  • The physical universe of space, time, matter, and energy has not always existed, but was supernaturally created by a transcendent personal Creator who alone has existed from eternity.
  • The phenomenon of biological life did not develop by natural processes from inanimate systems but was specially and supernaturally created by the Creator.
  • Each of the major kinds of plants and animals was created functionally complete from the beginning and did not evolve from some other kind of organism. Changes in basic kinds since their first creation are limited to "horizontal" changes (variations) within the kinds, or "downward" changes (e.g., harmful mutations, extinctions).
  • The first human beings did not evolve from an animal ancestry, but were specially created in fully human form from the start. Furthermore, the "spiritual" nature of man (self-image, moral consciousness, abstract reasoning, language, will, religious nature, etc.) is itself a supernaturally created entity distinct from mere biological life.
  • The record of earth history, as preserved in the earth's crust, especially in the rocks and fossil deposits, is primarily a record of catastrophic intensities of natural processes, operating largely within uniform natural laws, rather than one of gradualism and relatively uniform process rates. There are many scientific evidences for a relatively recent creation of the earth and the universe, in addition to strong scientific evidence that most of the earth's fossiliferous sedimentary rocks were formed in an even more recent global hydraulic cataclysm.
  • Processes today operate primarily within fixed natural laws and relatively uniform process rates, but since these were themselves originally created and are daily maintained by their Creator, there is always the possibility of miraculous intervention in these laws or processes by their Creator. Evidences for such intervention should be scrutinized critically, however, because there must be clear and adequate reason for any such action on the part of the Creator.
  • The universe and life have somehow been impaired since the completion of creation, so that imperfections in structure, disease, aging, extinctions, and other such phenomena are the result of "negative" changes in properties and processes occurring in an originally-perfect created order.
  • Since the universe and its primary components were created perfect for their purposes in the beginning by a competent and volitional Creator, and since the Creator does remain active in this now-decaying creation, there do exist ultimate purposes and meanings in the universe. Teleological considerations, therefore, are appropriate in scientific studies whenever they are consistent with the actual data of observation. Furthermore, it is reasonable to assume that the creation presently awaits the consummation of the Creator's purpose.
  • Although people are finite and scientific data concerning origins are always circumstantial and incomplete, the human mind (if open to possibility of creation) is able to explore the manifestations of that Creator rationally, scientifically, and teleologically.
Principles of Biblical Creationism
  • The Creator of the universe is a triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There is only one eternal and transcendent God, the source of all being and meaning, and He exists in three Persons, each of whom participated in the work of creation.
  • The Bible, consisting of the thirty-nine canonical books of the Old Testament and the twenty-seven canonical books of the New Testament, is the divinely-inspired revelation of the Creator to man. Its unique, plenary, verbal inspiration guarantees that these writings, as originally and miraculously given, are infallible and completely authoritative on all matters with which they deal, free from error of any sort, scientific and historical as well as moral and theological.
  • All things in the universe were created and made by God in the six literal days of the Creation Week described in Genesis 1:1-2:3, and confirmed in Exodus 20:8-11. The creation record is factual, historical, and perspicuous; thus all theories of origins or development that involve evolution in any form are false. All things that now exist are sustained and ordered by God's providential care. However, a part of the spiritual creation, Satan and his angels, rebelled against God after the creation and are attempting to thwart His divine purposes in creation.
  • The first human beings, Adam and Eve, were specially created by God, and all other men and women are their descendants. In Adam, mankind was instructed to exercise "dominion" over all other created organisms, and over the earth itself (an implicit commission for true science, technology, commerce, fine art, and education), but the temptation by Satan and the entrance of sin brought God's curse on that dominion and on mankind, culminating in death and separation from God as the natural and proper consequence.
  • The biblical record of primeval earth history in Genesis 1-11 is fully historical and perspicuous, including the creation and Fall of man, the Curse on the Creation and its subjection to the bondage of decay, the promised Redeemer, the worldwide cataclysmic deluge in the days of Noah, the post-diluvian renewal of man's commission to subdue the earth (now augmented by the institution of human government), and the origin of nations and languages at the tower of Babel.
  • The alienation of man from his Creator because of sin can only be remedied by the Creator Himself, who became man in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, through miraculous conception and virgin birth. In Christ were indissolubly united perfect sinless humanity and full deity, so that His substitutionary death is the only necessary and sufficient price of man's redemption. That the redemption was completely efficacious is assured by His bodily resurrection from the dead and ascension into heaven; the resurrection of Christ is thus the focal point of history, assuring the consummation of God's purposes in creation.
  • The final restoration of creation's perfection is yet future, but individuals can immediately be restored to fellowship with their Creator on the basis of His redemptive work on their behalf, receiving forgiveness and eternal life solely through personal trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, accepting Him not only as estranged Creator, but also as reconciling Redeemer and coming King. Those who reject Him, however, or who neglect to believe on Him, thereby continue in their state of rebellion and must ultimately be consigned to the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
  • The eventual accomplishment of God's eternal purposes in creation, with the removal of His curse and the restoration of all things to divine perfection, will take place at the personal bodily return to earth of Jesus Christ to judge and purge sin and to establish His eternal kingdom.
  • Each believer should participate in the "ministry of reconciliation" by seeking both to bring individuals back to God in Christ (the "Great Commission") and to "subdue the earth" for God's glory (the Edenic-Noahic Commission). The three institutions established by the Creator for the implementation of His purposes in this world (home, government, church) should be honored and supported as such.

How many :beli: do you think we need for that ?
Scientific creationnism only backed up by the Bible...


EDIT : I think we need a hundred of :beli: for their vimeo channel (http://vimeo.com/icr) and this site : http://thatsafacttv.com/

Look at this :pachaha:
 
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The first flaw of the article resides in its title : one chance out of a trillion, tirllion, trillion +, is still one chance, therefore it's not an impossibility, it's an improbability, which is totally different because one can't happen and the other one can.

But still let's understand WHO wrote this :
http://www.icr.org/discover/


What they BELIEVE then ?
http://www.icr.org/tenets/


How many :beli: do you think we need for that ?
Scientific creationnism only backed up by the Bible...


EDIT : I think we need a hundred of :beli: for their vimeo channel (http://vimeo.com/icr) and this site : http://thatsafacttv.com/

Look at this :pachaha:

You cant refute the idea.

The supreme being is God. All what science is looking for are all God elements is just science cant put a finger on it.


One year ago, several hours before cities across the United States started their annual fireworks displays, a different type of fireworks were set off at the European Center for Nuclear Research (CERN) in Switzerland. At 9:00 a.m., physicists announced to the world that they had found something they had been searching for for nearly 50 years: the elusive Higgs boson.

Today, on the anniversary of its discovery, are we any closer to figuring out what that particle's true identity is?

The Higgs boson is popularly referred to as "the God particle," perhaps because of its role in giving other particles their mass. However, it's not the boson itself that gives mass. Back in 1964, Peter Higgs proposed a theory that described a universal field (similar to an electric or a magnetic field) that particles interacted with. Don Lincoln, a physicist at Fermilab in Illinois, explained to ABC News, "It's the Higgs field that gives particles their mass."

The boson itself is more like evidence that the Higgs field exists. Lincoln says to think of the Higgs field and boson as water and waves. "Because you see the waves themselves, you know there's water," he said. "If we didn't see waves, we'd always wonder if there was actually water or not." Since physicists have seen a particle that looks a whole lot like the Higgs boson, they're pretty sure that the Higgs field exists.

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Higgs's original theory made very specific predictions about the boson's properties (like its electric charge and its quantum spin) as well as how it would interact with its environment (such as what types of particles it would decay into). Since last July, physicists have had their hands full, analyzing a newer and bigger set of data from CERN's Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the world's most powerful particle accelerator. It was the LHC that first provided researchers with evidence of the Higgs boson's existence, and the new data fits in line with Higgs's theory and provides even more evidence that CERN has truly found the Higgs boson.

Paul Tipton, a professor of physics at Yale University, sees the boson's discovery as less of a surprise and more like a waiting game. "We see a little bump in the data, so we take more data. The bump gets bigger and bigger, until we know that it could no longer be attributed to random chance."

The existence of the Higgs boson fills in an important blank for the Standard Model, a theory that explains the behavior of particles. Without proving its existence, mass could not be explained. "For a theory that describes matter, that's a pretty big deficiency," said Tipton.

CERN is looking to do more with the Higgs boson than simply confirm its existence. Lincoln says that there's a very large discrepancy that still needs to be addressed. The Higgs-boson-like particle observed at the LHC a year ago has about 100 trillion times less than energy than what the Standard Model predicts.

Unfortunately, he will have to wait awhile until he sees that issue resolved. The LHC is currently turned off for maintenance issues and is not scheduled to be turned back on until late 2014 at the earliest. However, when it comes back online, he hopes that they'll start tackling that question quickly. "It's like the screaming gorilla in the room," he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/god-particle-higgs-boson-year/story?id=19574423
 

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You cant refute the idea.

The supreme being is God. All what science is looking for are all God elements is just science cant put a finger on it.


One year ago, several hours before cities across the United States started their annual fireworks displays, a different type of fireworks were set off at the European Center for Nuclear Research (CERN) in Switzerland. At 9:00 a.m., physicists announced to the world that they had found something they had been searching for for nearly 50 years: the elusive Higgs boson.

Today, on the anniversary of its discovery, are we any closer to figuring out what that particle's true identity is?

The Higgs boson is popularly referred to as "the God particle," perhaps because of its role in giving other particles their mass. However, it's not the boson itself that gives mass. Back in 1964, Peter Higgs proposed a theory that described a universal field (similar to an electric or a magnetic field) that particles interacted with. Don Lincoln, a physicist at Fermilab in Illinois, explained to ABC News, "It's the Higgs field that gives particles their mass."

The boson itself is more like evidence that the Higgs field exists. Lincoln says to think of the Higgs field and boson as water and waves. "Because you see the waves themselves, you know there's water," he said. "If we didn't see waves, we'd always wonder if there was actually water or not." Since physicists have seen a particle that looks a whole lot like the Higgs boson, they're pretty sure that the Higgs field exists.

abc_wn_god_120704_wa.jpg

Did Scientists Find the 'God Particle'? Watch Video
ann_god_particle_120702_wa.jpg

'God Particle': New Proof Found by Physicists Watch Video
ann_god_particle_111213_wa.jpg

Does the 'God Particle' Exist?Watch Video
Higgs's original theory made very specific predictions about the boson's properties (like its electric charge and its quantum spin) as well as how it would interact with its environment (such as what types of particles it would decay into). Since last July, physicists have had their hands full, analyzing a newer and bigger set of data from CERN's Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the world's most powerful particle accelerator. It was the LHC that first provided researchers with evidence of the Higgs boson's existence, and the new data fits in line with Higgs's theory and provides even more evidence that CERN has truly found the Higgs boson.

Paul Tipton, a professor of physics at Yale University, sees the boson's discovery as less of a surprise and more like a waiting game. "We see a little bump in the data, so we take more data. The bump gets bigger and bigger, until we know that it could no longer be attributed to random chance."

The existence of the Higgs boson fills in an important blank for the Standard Model, a theory that explains the behavior of particles. Without proving its existence, mass could not be explained. "For a theory that describes matter, that's a pretty big deficiency," said Tipton.

CERN is looking to do more with the Higgs boson than simply confirm its existence. Lincoln says that there's a very large discrepancy that still needs to be addressed. The Higgs-boson-like particle observed at the LHC a year ago has about 100 trillion times less than energy than what the Standard Model predicts.

Unfortunately, he will have to wait awhile until he sees that issue resolved. The LHC is currently turned off for maintenance issues and is not scheduled to be turned back on until late 2014 at the earliest. However, when it comes back online, he hopes that they'll start tackling that question quickly. "It's like the screaming gorilla in the room," he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/god-particle-higgs-boson-year/story?id=19574423


Easy : http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/30/higgs.boson.cern
Peter Higgs rarely gives interviews. The 79-year-old might be a shoo-in for a Nobel prize if the LHC finds evidence for the fundamental particle he proposed in 1964 - known as the Higgs boson or, more colourfully, the God Particle - but he is a reluctant rock-star scientist, too self-deprecating to even refer to the particle by name. He prefers to call it the "boson named after me".

Finding the Higgs boson is probably the only thing many people outside physics know about the impending experiments at Cern. And until recently, the man behind it has been as mysterious as the missing particle.

In April, Higgs visited Geneva for a peek at the LHC before it was super-cooled with liquid helium, ready for the near light-speed buzz of the first proton beam around the ring.

The Higgs boson is the particle that is thought to give everything else in the universe mass, but that bit of theoretical physics is unlikely to be the reason most people have heard of it. Its theistic nickname was coined by Nobel-prize winning physicist Leon Lederman, but Higgs himself is no fan of the label. "I find it embarrassing because, though I'm not a believer myself, I think it is the kind of misuse of terminology which I think might offend some people."

It wasn't even Lederman's choice. "He wanted to refer to it as that 'goddamn particle' and his editor wouldn't let him," says Higgs.

The University of Edinburgh physicist is careful to acknowledge two other theoreticians whose names, along with Higgs and God, ought also to be attached to the boson. Robert Brout and Franois Englert, at the Free University in Brussels, hit on the same idea at around the same time, but initially Higgs received more credit. "I was a bit apprehensive about meeting these people because they had reason to be aggrieved," he admits, describing a rendezvous at a conference some years after their work was published. Now though, "relations are friendly".

What will he do if data from the LHC does, as most physicists expect, confirm the existence of the Higgs boson? "I shall open a bottle of something," he says, back in coy mode. A bottle of what? "Champagne," he says thoughtfully. "Drinking a bottle of whiskey takes a little more time."
 

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the surefire way to know that all this biblical stuff is make believe mythology is that no one ever has any knowledge beyond the knowledge of their day. Not even "god". Look at Revelations, apparently in the FINAL battle EVER, god thinks people will be using horses and swords :bryan: ol buddy Jesus gon be real shocked when he comes back to slay the world using a sword coming out of his mouth and I make him put his mouth on the pistol.
 

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:wtf:

Evolutionary changes are completely affected by environmental pressures hence natural selection.

i dont think we're talking about the same thing.

im saying imo the environment influences the actual mutations themselves, and that the internal mutations are not completely random.
 
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