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Best movie I have ever seen.
The Master....
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Looks beautiful, and some great acting, but everyone says it's pointless. pta is slipping.
It's certainly PTA's most difficult, oblique work.
While this sounds like a cop out, the film's lack of narrative and cohesion is one of it's strong points. I look at it as a mood piece akin to the films on Antonioni or even Malick's recent work. It's a film full of ambiguities and it doesn't offer easy answers or resolution, much like life itself.
There is no cliched character development for Freddie. He doesn't "find himself" at the end. He's a drunken, mentally unhinged drifter at the beginning and the end. Some might believe that it's poor writing or pointless but I think the film is telling us that some men can't be tamed or changed.
The hype in the media about the film being an attack or expose on Scientology was complete bullshyt. The film while influenced by the work of Hubbard isn't interested in critiquing cults or ideologies. It's more about the idea of master and servant. And not just Lancaster and Freddie, but Lancaster and his wife Peggy and numerous other complex dynamics in the film that can be studied and talked about for years.
The key point in the film is at the end in England when Lancaster tells Freddie "If you've found a way to live your life without serving a master I'd like you to let us know".
But I don't expect everyone to like it. It's almost a non-narrative film and I can understand people thinking it's weak but I think PTA is to be commended for making a relatively big budget film that is challenging and full of layered meanings. It's a throwback to the 60s and 70s when studios were throwing money at Kubrick to make art films. PTA is the closeset we have to Kubrick and while I don't think The Master is on par with There Will Be Blood, I think it'll be a film that stands the test of time and is talked about, loved and loathed for decades to come.
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While this sounds like a cop out, the film's lack of narrative and cohesion is one of it's strong points. I look at it as a mood piece akin to the films on Antonioni or even Malick's recent work. It's a film full of ambiguities and it doesn't offer easy answers or resolution, much like life itself.
There is no cliched character development for Freddie. He doesn't "find himself" at the end. He's a drunken, mentally unhinged drifter at the beginning and the end. Some might believe that it's poor writing or pointless but I think the film is telling us that some men can't be tamed or changed.
The hype in the media about the film being an attack or expose on Scientology was complete bullshyt. The film while influenced by the work of Hubbard isn't interested in critiquing cults or ideologies. It's more about the idea of master and servant. And not just Lancaster and Freddie, but Lancaster and his wife Peggy and numerous other complex dynamics in the film that can be studied and talked about for years.
The key point in the film is at the end in England when Lancaster tells Freddie "If you've found a way to live your life without serving a master I'd like you to let us know".
But I don't expect everyone to like it. It's almost a non-narrative film and I can understand people thinking it's weak but I think PTA is to be commended for making a relatively big budget film that is challenging and full of layered meanings. It's a throwback to the 60s and 70s when studios were throwing money at Kubrick to make art films. PTA is the closeset we have to Kubrick and while I don't think The Master is on par with There Will Be Blood, I think it'll be a film that stands the test of time and is talked about, loved and loathed for decades to come.
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mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
the story and direction was really poor. I remember leaving the theater like 
it irks me because Joaquin's performance was outstanding. If the movie was better, I think dude would have been a legit candidate against DDL.
So much was lost about this movie.
it irks me because Joaquin's performance was outstanding. If the movie was better, I think dude would have been a legit candidate against DDL.
So much was lost about this movie.
the story and direction was really poor. I remember leaving the theater like
it irks me because Joaquin's performance was outstanding. If the movie was better, I think dude would have been a legit candidate against DDL.
So much was lost about this movie.
you can't slam the direction and praise one of the performances in the same sentence.
PTA is at least 33% responsible for Joaquin's performance.
The story being poor, I agree with. But that's partly the media's fault for building up expectations.
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Rest In Power Kobe
youngmeezy
Rookie
Joaquin should have won the Oscar.
Dr.HannibalLecter
Tha Realest
"I'm not a racist, but..."
Finally watched it last week. I'm a big PTA fan, and though this wasn't my favorite, i still enjoyed it. I enjoyed it mostly because of PSH's acting. I love that dude. I came across "Along Came Polly" over the weekend & i forgot about that movie. PSH had me dying in that film.It's certainly PTA's most difficult, oblique work.
While this sounds like a cop out, the film's lack of narrative and cohesion is one of it's strong points. I look at it as a mood piece akin to the films on Antonioni or even Malick's recent work. It's a film full of ambiguities and it doesn't offer easy answers or resolution, much like life itself.
There is no cliched character development for Freddie. He doesn't "find himself" at the end. He's a drunken, mentally unhinged drifter at the beginning and the end. Some might believe that it's poor writing or pointless but I think the film is telling us that some men can't be tamed or changed.
The hype in the media about the film being an attack or expose on Scientology was complete bullshyt. The film while influenced by the work of Hubbard isn't interested in critiquing cults or ideologies. It's more about the idea of master and servant. And not just Lancaster and Freddie, but Lancaster and his wife Peggy and numerous other complex dynamics in the film that can be studied and talked about for years.
The key point in the film is at the end in England when Lancaster tells Freddie "If you've found a way to live your life without serving a master I'd like you to let us know".
But I don't expect everyone to like it. It's almost a non-narrative film and I can understand people thinking it's weak but I think PTA is to be commended for making a relatively big budget film that is challenging and full of layered meanings. It's a throwback to the 60s and 70s when studios were throwing money at Kubrick to make art films. PTA is the closeset we have to Kubrick and while I don't think The Master is on par with There Will Be Blood, I think it'll be a film that stands the test of time and is talked about, loved and loathed for decades to come.
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I think deep down it might've been that Lancaster had a thing for Freddie. He loved the fact that Freddie was a such a manly man & a challenge for him to change...and i think he was lusting for the dude on the low.
Then when he realized that he couldn't change Freddie, he backed off. He didn't care to be the master of this animal (Freddie) anymore. Freddie was begging for a master though...but he wished it were a woman instead. Dude was incredibly sexually frustrated, mentally scarred, nothing to live for, etc.
Lancaster's wife was a nut who was into "The Cause" a lot more than Lancaster was, really. She knew he was a lil' gay on the low - i.e. the scene when she jacked him off in the bathroom. She wanted him to get back in focus & away from Freddie. Same thing with that son-in-law. Dude was jealous as hell of Freddie.
There were a lot of parts of the movie that i didn't get, but i'm sure PTA expects that.
@ the scenes when Lancaster lashed out on people, "PIG fukk!", "WHAT DO YOU WANT...helen?".Btw - what was in the drink that Freddie was making, really?
Also fyi - PTA's next film "Inherent Vice" will also star Joaquin Phoenix. Plotline: Set in 1960s Los Angeles, drug-fueled detective Larry "Doc" Sportello investigates a kidnapping case.
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I'm thinking about getting it on blu to see the 65mm transfer.
as far as the point of the film (got from a comment on another site)
as far as the point of the film (got from a comment on another site)
My co-worker told me his grandfather was in WW2 & he used to drink that torpedo juice.
Torpedo juice is American slang for an alcoholic beverage, first mixed in World War II, made from pineapple juice and the 180-proof grain alcohol fuel used in United States Navy torpedo motors
didn't know this existed til he told me.
Not often do I call a film weird and confusing but I will here.
I believe some people are hyping the film up off who the director/writer is. Yes, the cinematography and acting was great but the pacing was extremly slow. Had a random person written this script, no way would it be bought.
I have 2 questions
1. Did Master believe his teachings or did he know it was crap? Cause at his 2nd book signing he got frustrated when the lady pointed out the change in his views
2. Do you think Freddy was tryna influence the girl into the cult at the end with the blinking game?
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I believe some people are hyping the film up off who the director/writer is. Yes, the cinematography and acting was great but the pacing was extremly slow. Had a random person written this script, no way would it be bought.
I have 2 questions
1. Did Master believe his teachings or did he know it was crap? Cause at his 2nd book signing he got frustrated when the lady pointed out the change in his views
2. Do you think Freddy was tryna influence the girl into the cult at the end with the blinking game?
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