1. People eat monkey meat in Africa infect Gay Men and Drug addicts in the U.S. who have never been to Africa. The story doesn't add up.
2. Cancer being a mutation is a flawed analogy....when?
3.
...African hospitals when? 1890.
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1. People eat monkey meat in Africa infect Gay Men and Drug addicts in the U.S. who have never been to Africa. The story doesn't add up.
2. Cancer being a mutation is a flawed analogy....when?
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...African hospitals when? 1890.
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If AIDS came from animals where are all the dead animal bodies? wouldn't they be damn near extinct by now?You mean to tell me chimps are taking medication and wearing condoms now 
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thekingsmen said:
Dont be a homosexual or sleep with animals or be involved in experimental vaccines that ask for black men and homosexuals n ull be aight.
Honorable mention - Dont fukk women that dont have degrees because AIDS is mostly for fakkits and broke people.
Honorable mention - Dont fukk women that dont have degrees because AIDS is mostly for fakkits and broke people.
1. People eat monkey meat in Africa infect Gay Men and Drug addicts in the U.S. who have never been to Africa. The story doesn't add up.
2. Cancer being a mutation is a flawed analogy....when?
3.
1. The story DOES add up. shyt gets transferred all the time. You act like it hitting the US makes it special. A lot of avian viruses are in south east asia...is that special too? It had to go somewhere.
2. BECAUSE WHEN DISCUSSING THE CREATION OF AIDS/HIV, CANCER IS NOT A VIABLE COMPARISON...ESPECIALLY IF YOU LACK AN UNDERSTANDING OF BASIC fukkING BIOLOGY
3. Yes and some before then.
Look.
You clearly don't even have Bio 101 under your belt...so why the fukk are you trying to talk about medical concepts you don't even understand?
Not everything is a goddamn conspiracy man.
Wow it has taken 5 1/2 hours to respond to my post and yet no actual dots connected. I would like to thank many of you for contributing to a wonderful conversation like @Napoleon. Son you are a very good debater and I respect your posting. To the other trolls...
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Ive proved my point very well. Exists thread.
.Ive proved my point very well. Exists thread.
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You haven't proved shyt.Wow it has taken 5 1/2 hours to respond to my post and yet no actual dots connected. I would like to thank many of you for contributing to a wonderful conversation like @Napoleon. Son you are a very good debater and I respect your posting. To the other trolls...
Ive proved my point very well. Exists thread.
@Napoleon and @Dafunkdoc_Unlimited, provides evidence with reliable studies and sources and you only stating your own opinions. Yes, you disagree with them but what are your sources, what are your facts and on what are you basing your claims ? You have the right to believe that the Earth is flat, but your opinion will never hold as much weight and never be as powerful as the scientific and empirical evidence factually proving that it's round.
As for the vid, the Horowitz dude is a known AIDS conspiracy theorist and the vid is not even convincing (stupid audio effects, words singled out or thrown on the screen when Gallo speak without any backed studies but Horowitz' opinion). Even the document he's showing aren't proving anything. Hell, the vid convinced me more about the opposite thesis because of Gallo's responses.
And Gallo was not the only scientist involved, there was also Montagnier's lab ('09 Nobel Prize) which had, as much as Gallo's, responsibility in discovering HIV and it's relation to AIDS. Do you mean that France and the USA were working together to create a biological weapon to control world's population growth ?
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What exactly are you asking/arguing? I think you may need to find out what a virus is.Wow it has taken 5 1/2 hours to respond to my post and yet no actual dots connected. I would like to thank many of you for contributing to a wonderful conversation like @Napoleon. Son you are a very good debater and I respect your posting. To the other trolls...
Ive proved my point very well. Exists thread.
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thernbroom said:If AIDS came from animals where are all the dead animal bodies? wouldn't they be damn near extinct by now?You mean to tell me chimps are taking medication and wearing condoms now
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15254823
Medical Definition of NONPATHOGENIC
: not capable of inducing disease
Medical Definition of NONPATHOGENIC
: not capable of inducing disease
Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) was first recognized as a new disease in 1981 when increasing numbers of young homosexual men succumbed to unusual opportunistic infections and rare malignancies...
A first clue came in 1986 when a morphologically similar but antigenically distinct virus was found to cause AIDS in patients in western Africa (Clavel et al. 1986). Curiously, this new virus, termed human immunodeficiency virus type 2 (HIV-2), was only distantly related to HIV-1, but was closely related to a simian virus that caused immunodeficiency in captive macaques (Chakrabarti et al. 1987; Guyader et al. 1987). Soon thereafter, additional viruses, collectively termed simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) with a suffix to denote their species of origin, were found in various different primates from sub-Saharan Africa, including African green monkeys, sooty mangabeys, mandrills, chimpanzees, and others (Fig. 1). Surprisingly, these viruses appeared to be largely nonpathogenic in their natural hosts, despite clustering together with the human and simian AIDS viruses in a single phylogenetic lineage within the radiation of lentiviruses.
Interestingly, close simian relatives of HIV-1 and HIV-2 were found in chimpanzees (Huet et al. 1990) and sooty mangabeys (Hirsch et al. 1989), respectively. These relationships provided the first evidence that AIDS had emerged in both humans and macaques as a consequence of cross-species infections with lentiviruses from different primate species
Recent studies of SIV-infected monkeys on Bioko Island, Equatorial Guinea, partly substantiated this conclusion, showing that geographically isolated subspecies have been infected with the same type of SIV for at least 30,000 years and probably much longer (Worobey et al. 2010). The endogenous viruses in lemurs reveal that the span of evolutionary history of primate lentiviruses as a whole is at least two orders of magnitude greater still. Thus, it is possible that at least some SIVs, such as those infecting four closely related species of African green monkeys (Chlorocebus species), have coevolved with their respective hosts for an extended period of time, perhaps even before these hosts diverged from their common ancestor (Jin et al. 1994a). So far, SIV infections have only been found in African monkeys and apes, and so it seems likely that primate lentiviruses emerged in Africa sometime after the splits between lineages of African and Asian Old World monkeys, which are believed to have occurred around 6–10 million years ago (Fabre et al. 2009). However, because neither Asian nor New World primates have been sampled exhaustively, the conclusion that SIVs are restricted to African primates must remain tentative, especially because none of these primate species has been examined for endogenous forms of SIV (Ylinen et al. 2010). Thus, our understanding of the evolutionary history of primate lentiviruses is still incomplete.
How humans acquired the ape precursors of HIV-1 groups M, N, O, and P is not known; however, based on the biology of these viruses, transmission must have occurred through cutaneous or mucous membrane exposure to infected ape blood and/or body fluids. Such exposures occur most commonly in the context of bushmeat hunting (Peeters et al. 2002). Whatever the circumstances, it seems clear that human–ape encounters in west central Africa have resulted in four independent cross-species transmission events.
We don't know if this shyt was created or not... I'm not going to say that it wasn't created or that these naturally occurring lentviruses didn't evolve in primates and eventually transferred to humans.
Lets just say what we know for sure...
We KNOW:
1)
HIV and SIV must interact with a large number of host proteins to replicate in infected cells (Fu et al. 2009; Ortiz et al. 2009). Because the common ancestor of Old World monkeys and apes existed around 25 million years ago, the divergence of these host proteins may pose an obstacle to cross-species infection. In addition, primates (including humans) encode a number of host restriction factors, which have evolved as part of their innate immune response to protect against infection with a wide variety of viral pathogens (Malim and Emerman 2008; Neil and Bieniasz 2009; Kajaste-Rudnitski et al. 2010). Although viruses have, in turn, found ways to antagonize these restriction factors, these countermeasures are frequently species-specific. Thus, a number of adaptive hurdles have to be overcome before primate lentiviruses can productively infect a new species.
2)
1931 Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. While there, he begins a series of radiation exposure experiments on American soldiers and civilian hospital patients.
We created all sorts of viruses and cancers... we only know about a handfull of what the government, CIA, Army , financial elite have done.
3)
1932 The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and instead are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the progression and symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die from syphilis, their families never told that they could have been treated.
We don't know if all the theories about hiv aids are true...... but we do know for sure that the US has targeted particular groups to test sex illnesses and viruses on.
4)
1978 Experimental Hepatitis B vaccine trials, conducted by the CDC, begin in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men.
1981 First cases of AIDS are confirmed in homosexual men in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco, triggering speculation that AIDS may have been introduced via the Hepatitis B vaccine
A first clue came in 1986 when a morphologically similar but antigenically distinct virus was found to cause AIDS in patients in western Africa (Clavel et al. 1986). Curiously, this new virus, termed human immunodeficiency virus type 2 (HIV-2), was only distantly related to HIV-1, but was closely related to a simian virus that caused immunodeficiency in captive macaques (Chakrabarti et al. 1987; Guyader et al. 1987). Soon thereafter, additional viruses, collectively termed simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) with a suffix to denote their species of origin, were found in various different primates from sub-Saharan Africa, including African green monkeys, sooty mangabeys, mandrills, chimpanzees, and others (Fig. 1). Surprisingly, these viruses appeared to be largely nonpathogenic in their natural hosts, despite clustering together with the human and simian AIDS viruses in a single phylogenetic lineage within the radiation of lentiviruses.
basically is harmless in the original host. -nonpathogenic
Interestingly, close simian relatives of HIV-1 and HIV-2 were found in chimpanzees (Huet et al. 1990) and sooty mangabeys (Hirsch et al. 1989), respectively. These relationships provided the first evidence that AIDS had emerged in both humans and macaques as a consequence of cross-species infections with lentiviruses from different primate species
basically this is an assumption.... similarity = connection..... which is a false premise.
Recent studies of SIV-infected monkeys on Bioko Island, Equatorial Guinea, partly substantiated this conclusion, showing that geographically isolated subspecies have been infected with the same type of SIV for at least 30,000 years and probably much longer (Worobey et al. 2010). The endogenous viruses in lemurs reveal that the span of evolutionary history of primate lentiviruses as a whole is at least two orders of magnitude greater still. Thus, it is possible that at least some SIVs, such as those infecting four closely related species of African green monkeys (Chlorocebus species), have coevolved with their respective hosts for an extended period of time, perhaps even before these hosts diverged from their common ancestor (Jin et al. 1994a). So far, SIV infections have only been found in African monkeys and apes, and so it seems likely that primate lentiviruses emerged in Africa sometime after the splits between lineages of African and Asian Old World monkeys, which are believed to have occurred around 6–10 million years ago (Fabre et al. 2009). However, because neither Asian nor New World primates have been sampled exhaustively, the conclusion that SIVs are restricted to African primates must remain tentative, especially because none of these primate species has been examined for endogenous forms of SIV (Ylinen et al. 2010). Thus, our understanding of the evolutionary history of primate lentiviruses is still incomplete.
Probably.... Maybe.. And these 'facts' most remain tentative because we really don't know
How humans acquired the ape precursors of HIV-1 groups M, N, O, and P is not known; however, based on the biology of these viruses, transmission must have occurred through cutaneous or mucous membrane exposure to infected ape blood and/or body fluids. Such exposures occur most commonly in the context of bushmeat hunting (Peeters et al. 2002). Whatever the circumstances, it seems clear that human–ape encounters in west central Africa have resulted in four independent cross-species transmission events.
So we do Not know how human got HIV group M. We don't know how AIDS developed.
We say exposures and species transfers occurred due to living with them.... meat hunting, etc, lol.
This is bullshyt because africans have lived... cut up, killed, co habituated with these animals and never had an outbreak of hiv..... Also Asians and African grousp have ate the brains and meat of most of these species..... without screening for viruses n shyt.
We say exposures and species transfers occurred due to living with them.... meat hunting, etc, lol.
This is bullshyt because africans have lived... cut up, killed, co habituated with these animals and never had an outbreak of hiv..... Also Asians and African grousp have ate the brains and meat of most of these species..... without screening for viruses n shyt.
We don't know if this shyt was created or not... I'm not going to say that it wasn't created or that these naturally occurring lentviruses didn't evolve in primates and eventually transferred to humans.
Lets just say what we know for sure...
We KNOW:
1)
HIV and SIV must interact with a large number of host proteins to replicate in infected cells (Fu et al. 2009; Ortiz et al. 2009). Because the common ancestor of Old World monkeys and apes existed around 25 million years ago, the divergence of these host proteins may pose an obstacle to cross-species infection. In addition, primates (including humans) encode a number of host restriction factors, which have evolved as part of their innate immune response to protect against infection with a wide variety of viral pathogens (Malim and Emerman 2008; Neil and Bieniasz 2009; Kajaste-Rudnitski et al. 2010). Although viruses have, in turn, found ways to antagonize these restriction factors, these countermeasures are frequently species-specific. Thus, a number of adaptive hurdles have to be overcome before primate lentiviruses can productively infect a new species.
2)
1931 Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. While there, he begins a series of radiation exposure experiments on American soldiers and civilian hospital patients.
We created all sorts of viruses and cancers... we only know about a handfull of what the government, CIA, Army , financial elite have done.
3)
1932 The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and instead are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the progression and symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die from syphilis, their families never told that they could have been treated.
We don't know if all the theories about hiv aids are true...... but we do know for sure that the US has targeted particular groups to test sex illnesses and viruses on.
4)
1978 Experimental Hepatitis B vaccine trials, conducted by the CDC, begin in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men.
1981 First cases of AIDS are confirmed in homosexual men in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco, triggering speculation that AIDS may have been introduced via the Hepatitis B vaccine
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leave it to an actual fakkit to be knowledable enough about HIV to be able to write a phd dissertation on it.
You probably got a lab coat and beakers with a board full of equations trynna find the cure so you can continue with your heathen ways
