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The Long-Shot Candidate Who Has the White House Worried - Joe Biden has a Cornel West problem.
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I honestly don't believe anyone wants anything from Cornel West and he isn't a threat.
In fact that probably is the case for all individual 3rd party candidates all the time. But folks are afraid that the guy who attempted to overthrow the government is the GOP front runner so many folks are sounding that alarm. Again, not because of any one voter, but the belief that a plurality of third party voters may be the difference maker in close races.
Beyond that it's just the typical bad faith proxy war. Not even sure there needs to be any reason to bring up progressives because most progressives are going to support Biden and aren't taking West seriously as a candidate.
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The Sauce Apostle
No mention of climate change? Kind of a shocker. Did you forget, or is it really just not something you care much about?
Nothing environmental at all. Nothing related to education at all. No checks on the military-industrial complex. And no tax reform, banking reform, election finance reform, Wall Street reform, or anything else that would curtail the power of the wealthy. Nor any support for unions, worker rights in general, small businesses, small farmers, or any other checks on corporate power. I assume he'd support at least some of those things if forced to answer the question, but it's telling that none of them occurred to him on his own.
Other than the extremely vague "white supremacy" and "black economic autonomy" (how are the democrats doing anything overt to improve either of those?), it's basically just maintaining the status quo but with more social services.
the fact I didn't repeat this bullshyt list of things I obviously agreee with and you can look up by my post history lets me know you're being a fukking troll. At no point have I ever indicated I'm against any of this.
I love that you're exposing you're full of shyt.
Krystal even admits Cornel will hurts Biden ultimately
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The Sauce Apostle
I was just trying to understand his position a bit more, because his posts are so unhinged and all over the place.
I didn't expect to see much of anything that was left of being a full blown Neolib, but even they give some lip service towards climate so I was surprised. I just wanted to see what he'd mention. Easy to say you agree with something when it's put in front of you, but if you have to think about the things you're passionate about and you're not even thinking about the things that I consider extremely important? It's telling. Clearly me and Nap are not on the same wavelength, do not have the same concerns, or the same political priorities.
I think in his mind he assumes we are all "ideologically left" and have the same values. We just need to put aside our differences and "join the effort." (Which we all do, by voting blue even when we have to hold our noses to do so.) He just doesn't actually care that much about any of the issues that I care very much about. To him, we're squabbling over things that don't matter, and he has no ability to see the perspective of someone who thinks these things actually matter a whole lot. He doesn't even see the divide, because in his mind there's only two teams you can be on, and we're just being bad teammates.
Like most of the "centrists" here, there's probably a lot of "fukk you, I got mine" attitude behind it. That's my theory at least.
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I've posted about how I wish we'd overhaul the electoral system/governing bodies to look more like the German Bundestag before, and this thread reinforces it.
It's a shame that there are only two viable choices for the presidency.
Regarding West, I don't think that West voters were going to check the box for Biden anyway. They're obviously looking for alternatives to Biden that sit well with them if they're gravitating toward West or anyone else. People bring up Ralph Nader as a spoiler in 2000 without remembering that a lot of people were left behind by the Clinton economy of the '90s and probably wouldn't have bothered to vote for Gore anyway; they saw in Nader a guy who was speaking their language and that's what motivated them. The assumption that a vote for West takes away what would have been a vote for Biden is specious.
It's a shame that there are only two viable choices for the presidency.
Regarding West, I don't think that West voters were going to check the box for Biden anyway. They're obviously looking for alternatives to Biden that sit well with them if they're gravitating toward West or anyone else. People bring up Ralph Nader as a spoiler in 2000 without remembering that a lot of people were left behind by the Clinton economy of the '90s and probably wouldn't have bothered to vote for Gore anyway; they saw in Nader a guy who was speaking their language and that's what motivated them. The assumption that a vote for West takes away what would have been a vote for Biden is specious.
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The Sauce Apostle
This goes with what @mastermind has been saying. 3rd party can only spoil the pot if you allow them too by not addressing the concerns that they are tapping into, or not appealing to the voters who would be drawn away.
At the end of the day it's Biden's job to reassure voters that he is the right choice. If he can't make up for the tiny percentage of voters that West would draw away from him then he's the one who dropped the ball.
I bet your amazon wish list of policies makes you ideologically superior since you endorse strategies that enable us to lose elections, right?
Oh, thats a FACT. Basically the US constitution is way too old and like other countries, needs a massive refresh in voting.
Many third "left" party voters are selfish narcissists who avoid compromise because they hope actual democrat voters do the responsible thing and vote against republicans. Mind you, they'll be blaming us if a democrat loses when they didn't do shyt to help.
Additional candidates running hurts each other candidate 
We should just have one party rule like china
We should just have one party rule like china
You didn't read i guess? I didn't say that you wouldn't give lip service to those issues, I said:
The fact that you were given five chances and several days to come up with your answer, were able to think of a long list including tertiary issues like healthcare licensing, yet didn't come up with a single line addressing the three most existential crises facing us is telling.
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The Sauce Apostle
This is what I'm talking about when I said
These people are not being bad teammates. They're just people acting like people. It's up to Democrats to appeal to them and reassure them that they are the better choice. There's a lot of uninformed voters out there who don't know anything, and they vote based on misunderstandings, misinformation or just ignorance. If you want to have these people voting the same way you think they should, you need to figure out a way to make them understand, show them how to discern truth from internet bullshyt, and you need to make them aware of you and your positions. It is your fault if you lose because you've failed to appeal to enough people.
Politicians are responsible for earning our support. It is no ones responsibility to support a candidate they do not find appealing. That is effective political strategy. Attacking the left and trying to fit them all into this box that you can dismiss is not effective political strategy. I don't know anyone who watches more youtube lefty grifters than you. The media you consume effects your biases. Maybe you need to stop consuming so much trash and try to get a better idea of who the people you constantly shyt on actually are. "Bernie bros" are not bad teammates. If you think Bernie Sanders needs to be mentioned at all, it should be to note that Hillary Clinton ran a bad campaign for failing to reassure "Bernie bros" that they can trust her with their vote.
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