The "let's not take this shyt so seriously" AEW news & fukkery thread

[LordDeathwatch]

You're missing my point. I'm saying it's not solely creative's fault she didn't get over. From what I've seen of her, it's on her. She doesn't have the skillset/charisma/personality. But I agree that they shouldn't have signed her in the first place. That's their own fault for trying to get into a bidding war with free agents.

It could have worked if they used her like Shield Roman: hot tag, hit move, leave. You get her on camera, create that image and get her the fukk out before anything bad happens.

Difference is that AEW isn't learner, development friendly and they're going to just dump you in the deep end for at least 10 minutes sooner rather than later. So yeah, they made a mistake bringing her in because they weren't going to write around her and ultimately there wasn't enough support to get her to a finished product.

 

[MenacingMonk]

She got linked up with one of the greatest female wrestlers and still couldn’t get over. Her match with Stat wasn’t anything special and it was something I wanted to see.

Talking about “showing her strengths,” what was the point of those squash matches? Being strong isn’t enough to get a push, but They shouldn’t give up on her since it was the only thing she did on the roster. Repackage her and see what happens.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

It's hard to be a "powerhouse wrestler" when you're not actually strong. That was Kamille in those squash matches. NXT got this chick Zaria tryna do the same thing and she ain't a real powerhouse either.

Willow is strong. Stat is strong. Bianca is strong...

 

[TheAlbionist]

Didn't Kamille get herself caught up in some Anti-Abortion shyt around the election too?

I imagine that's a really great way to introduce yourself to a women's locker room in 2024.

 

[Jmare007]

I think both things can be true. When you have a talent that needs all the help possible to be put in a position to succeed, it's on you to make that possible once you hired him/her.

But at the same time, putting the effort doesn't mean that talent will actually get over or, like it happened to guys like Ryback or Wardlow, that they will continue to be over once you realize they can't be effective in any other way but the ultra protective booking that made them standout/be over.

There's tons of wrestlers that have a pretty short "life span" (for lack of a better word) as a productive member of a roster. Those types of workers need a ton of help but if you give it to them, they will be effective and can actually draw you some money. If Kamille was or wasn't of those workers remains to be seen because she wasn't given that kind of effort, and I think it's ok to critique that. But I also think it ain't that big of a deal because she did not show she was a can't miss talent.

 

[LordDeathwatch]

I think both things can be true. When you have a talent that needs all the help possible to be put in a position to succeed, it's on you to make that possible once you hired him/her.

But at the same time, putting the effort doesn't mean that talent will actually get over or, like it happened to guys like Ryback or Wardlow, that they will continue to be over once you realize they can't be effective in any other way but the ultra protective booking that made them standout/be over.

There's tons of wrestlers that have a pretty short "life span" (for lack of a better word) as a productive member of a roster. Those types of workers need a ton of help but if you give it to them, they will be effective and can actually draw you some money. If Kamille was or wasn't of those workers remains to be seen because she wasn't given that kind of effort, and I think it's ok to critique that. But I also think it ain't that big of a deal because she did not show she was a can't miss talent.

100% accurate summation.

 

[Tanahashi Coates]

SRS made a good point about the "Tony needs to step down from creative" argument. Why would he do that when giving up the reins could make it worse? Vince was doing better numbers with worse creative yet the show has better creative and worse numbers under Haitch

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

Didn't Kamille get herself caught up in some Anti-Abortion shyt around the election too?

I imagine that's a really great way to introduce yourself to a women's locker room in 2024.

Yeahhhh I forgot Kamille was on time. I'm all for opinions and yadda, but you are barking up a wrong tree concerning ovaries.

 

[Jmare007]

SRS made a good point about the "Tony needs to step down from creative" argument. Why would he do that when giving up the reins could make it worse? Vince was doing better numbers with worse creative yet the show has better creative and worse numbers under Haitch

I think the main reason is that Tony has not had a hit angle since MJF & Cole's friendship -which ended up in disaster anyways- and before that, it was MJF/Punk. There's very little room to keep doing worse. (EDIT: forgot about Swerve vs Hangman, that's the last true hit angle he booked).

I mean, if better creative somehow means less than 2,000 people then there's nothing that can help the company

And WWE has done huge numbers since Vince has been gone, not sure what you are talking about breh.

 

[Finn Baller]

SRS made a good point about the "Tony needs to step down from creative" argument. Why would he do that when giving up the reins could make it worse? Vince was doing better numbers with worse creative yet the show has better creative and worse numbers under Haitch

They are doing way bigger attendance numbers under HHH than they were under late stage Vince. The only metric better under Vince was TV ratings, everything else is way up compared to 2018-2021

 

[Tanahashi Coates]

I think the main reason is that Tony has not had a hit angle since MJF & Cole's friendship -which ended up in disaster anyways- and before that, it was MJF/Punk. There's very little room to keep doing worse.

I mean, if better creative somehow means less than 2,000 people then there's nothing that can help the company

And WWE has done huge numbers since Vince has been gone, not sure what you are talking about breh.

A Week of Drama | The Hump With SRS & Jimmy Van

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54:30 since it's considered live. And I stand corrected, Jimmy Van brought it up and SRS said they're selling out but doing less in viewership.

About the creative, like they said it's his company. There's was never this much of an outcry for Vince to step down when his booking sucked

 

[Jmare007]

A Week of Drama | The Hump With SRS & Jimmy Van

Sean Ross Sapp and Jimmy Van are live for the Hump at a special start time due to WWE's HQ event!All of the odds we speak about on Fightful come from our off...

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54:30 since it's considered live. And I stand corrected, Jimmy Van brought it up and SRS said they're selling out but doing less in viewership.

About the creative, like they said it's his company. There's was never this much of an outcry for Vince to step down when his booking sucked

Things is though, the less viewership was going to happen regardless of creative. Unless you are the NFL or have a Caitlin Clark type of game changer, ratings are going down for like 95% of TV content. This goes for both companies as well. At the end of the day, the important thing about ratings is that the TV networks are happy, to the point of paying wrestling companies big money to have them in the air, which so far has happened for both WWE and AEW.

Attendance though, what WWE has gone through the last 2-3 years is one of the most impressive things I've ever seen in wrestling, and I don't even follow the company any more but to have that level of sustained success in wrestling is wild as fukk in this day in age.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

And WWE has done huge numbers since Vince has been gone, not sure what you are talking about breh.

They have but not ratings wise...... that's the outdated metric some people here grasp on to when they want to wage stan wars..

If we're talking revenue then WWE is way up and..... AEW is up as well thanks to all these media deals.

 

[mannyrs13]

SRS made a good point about the "Tony needs to step down from creative" argument. Why would he do that when giving up the reins could make it worse? Vince was doing better numbers with worse creative yet the show has better creative and worse numbers under Haitch

what is considered "better creative"? i mean its hard to compare creative within the wwe. Especially without determining the points of comparison. Cuz there has been many years and eras to compare to. Like during the pandemic, a bit earlier than that when Punk had his long reign, RA era, the invasion, Attitude Era, when Bret and Shawn started getting hot, Hogan and first couple of Manias, etc.

There's gonna be good creative from every point of time, some better than other eras. The creative is good but lacks the overall variety of characters from the past. Its alot of nicknames and catchphrases rather than character development. Thats what Vince was good at, creating characters. There is often not much difference between one wrestler to the next these days. One big difference is the increase in star power causing the creative to look better. Now of course there is differences in wrestling talent but character wise there isn't much.

One thing I would say that helped WWE grow in revenue is an increase in outside forces mainly population and technology. In 2000 the US pop was aboput 280 million, now its like 345. A 65 million person increase. Add to that the fact we didn't have any streaming service or even the internet as big as it is today. I think even just recording tv wasn't what it is today. Plus the more personable that wrestlers have become. You can follow plenty of them on social media and see their daily lives. Its more BTS stuff now. It wasn't like you were seeing videos online of Undertaker or Kane or guys like that. We are able to get more of a glimpse of the wrestlers daily lives these days. There is more content to consume overall. The worlds population grew in the past 25 years and that meant more fans to generate revenue from. Not to mention the cost of everything going up leading to higher prices overall.

 

[jerniebert]

The company is now valued at more than $2 billion, making it the third-most-valuable combat sports company in the world.

Source: Trust me bro!