He ain't a female bruh
she is
The Last of Us Part II Spoiler Discussion Thread
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Rell84shots
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I mean if you wanna be stupid be stupid...I only responded cuz I thought it was funny to respond “she is” 3x in a row
That sex scene with Abby and Owen was so disgusting 
Where did we read that they created Abby based on feedback of a team of feminists cause Ellie didn't seem strong enough?
Are we making this up or is there an interview stating this?
All I got from it was this bytch lost her dad, became one of the boys and is a jacked tom boy now. Not once did I think wow what a strong female character. Nor did I get the impression that her being female had much of anything to do with what was going on.
Feminism is the basis of the whole game? No it fukkin isn't You guys have a level of confirmation bias going on that is absurd. The game is clearly about revenge and perspective and the characters it focuses on happen to be female. That's about it for feminism. Unless your argument is Abby's mere existence as a character is feminism which you're entitled to believe. I would be curious about what makes you think that besides shes a jacked woman though.
Also Ellie not killing her isn't as nonsensical as people say. I really wonder if those people beat the game cause it feels logical when it happens. She see's they've both destroyed themselves to become these monsters in a plot to seek revenge on each other and has that flashback of Joel and realizes he's never coming back, and clearly Abby is no longer that person, and if I kill her I am sentencing the child she's with to death as well. I'm not sure she actually wanted to kill Abby anymore even when she left for Santa Barbara tbh. She was just kind've going through the motions cause of her nightmares.
It felt like the game was gonna end on the ranch after Abby let her live and that she only went there because of her nightmares. I think during the fight she realized killing Abby isn't going to fix any of that, she's going to have to fix her self. I'm sure the downtrodden dejected Abby unwilling to fight you killed the emotional rage of the moment for her as well.
The whole story is about duality and that final moment is the last example. You spared me I spared you as we both realized our humanity isn't entirely lost. They both lost loved ones in a bid to avenge a lost loved one, was it worth it? Ellie has nothing now. I think she realized she made a mistake leaving that ranch.
Frankly Abby's gender doesn't have much to do with anything except that you play as her. If she was a man the whole overarching plot could have been the same so I'm not sure why her existence feels like feminism to people.
There's no symbolism or hidden opinions or statements being made in the game. It's highly character focused on their current situations. Not once did something happen that seemed like "hey look a strong woman can do this"
There was never a scene "hey you're just a girl you can't do that"
I beat the whole game on an internet blackout and the feminism shyt didn't even cross my mind until I went online afterwards to see how upset people were. (which surprised me but I guess it shouldn't have)
Are we making this up or is there an interview stating this?
All I got from it was this bytch lost her dad, became one of the boys and is a jacked tom boy now. Not once did I think wow what a strong female character. Nor did I get the impression that her being female had much of anything to do with what was going on.
Feminism is the basis of the whole game? No it fukkin isn't
You guys have a level of confirmation bias going on that is absurd. The game is clearly about revenge and perspective and the characters it focuses on happen to be female. That's about it for feminism. Unless your argument is Abby's mere existence as a character is feminism which you're entitled to believe. I would be curious about what makes you think that besides shes a jacked woman though.Also Ellie not killing her isn't as nonsensical as people say. I really wonder if those people beat the game cause it feels logical when it happens. She see's they've both destroyed themselves to become these monsters in a plot to seek revenge on each other and has that flashback of Joel and realizes he's never coming back, and clearly Abby is no longer that person, and if I kill her I am sentencing the child she's with to death as well. I'm not sure she actually wanted to kill Abby anymore even when she left for Santa Barbara tbh. She was just kind've going through the motions cause of her nightmares.
It felt like the game was gonna end on the ranch after Abby let her live and that she only went there because of her nightmares. I think during the fight she realized killing Abby isn't going to fix any of that, she's going to have to fix her self. I'm sure the downtrodden dejected Abby unwilling to fight you killed the emotional rage of the moment for her as well.
The whole story is about duality and that final moment is the last example. You spared me I spared you as we both realized our humanity isn't entirely lost. They both lost loved ones in a bid to avenge a lost loved one, was it worth it? Ellie has nothing now. I think she realized she made a mistake leaving that ranch.
Frankly Abby's gender doesn't have much to do with anything except that you play as her. If she was a man the whole overarching plot could have been the same so I'm not sure why her existence feels like feminism to people.
There's no symbolism or hidden opinions or statements being made in the game. It's highly character focused on their current situations. Not once did something happen that seemed like "hey look a strong woman can do this"
There was never a scene "hey you're just a girl you can't do that"
I beat the whole game on an internet blackout and the feminism shyt didn't even cross my mind until I went online afterwards to see how upset people were. (which surprised me but I guess it shouldn't have)
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King Jove
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Naughty dog ain’t shyt for having a boss battle against Ellie 
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Got damn Ellie is alert and agile. She got my ass a couple times, and I didn’t even hate seeing her kill Abby.
but damn Abby beat Ellie the fukk up with those JJ Watt arms.
.Got damn Ellie is alert and agile. She got my ass a couple times, and I didn’t even hate seeing her kill Abby.
but damn Abby beat Ellie the fukk up with those JJ Watt arms.
Where did we read that they created Abby based on feedback of a team of feminists cause Ellie didn't seem strong enough?
Are we making this up or is there an interview stating this?
All I got from it was this bytch lost her dad, became one of the boys and is a jacked tom boy now. Not once did I think wow what a strong female character. Nor did I get the impression that her being female had much of anything to do with what was going on.
Feminism is the basis of the whole game? No it fukkin isn't
Also Ellie not killing her isn't as nonsensical as people say. I really wonder if those people beat the game cause it feels logical when it happens. She see's they've both destroyed themselves to become these monsters in a plot to seek revenge on each other and has that flashback of Joel and realizes he's never coming back, and clearly Abby is no longer that person, and if I kill her I am sentencing the child she's with to death as well. I'm not sure she actually wanted to kill Abby anymore even when she left for Santa Barbara tbh. She was just kind've going through the motions cause of her nightmares.
It felt like the game was gonna end on the ranch after Abby let her live and that she only went there because of her nightmares. I think during the fight she realized killing Abby isn't going to fix any of that, she's going to have to fix her self. I'm sure the downtrodden dejected Abby unwilling to fight you killed the emotional rage of the moment for her as well.
The whole story is about duality and that final moment is the last example. You spared me I spared you as we both realized our humanity isn't entirely lost. They both lost loved ones in a bid to avenge a lost loved one, was it worth it? Ellie has nothing now. I think she realized she made a mistake leaving that ranch.
Frankly Abby's gender doesn't have much to do with anything except that you play as her. If she was a man the whole overarching plot could have been the same so I'm not sure why her existence feels like feminism to people.
There's no symbolism or hidden opinions or statements being made in the game. It's highly character focused on their current situations. Not once did something happen that seemed like "hey look a strong woman can do this"
There was never a scene "hey you're just a girl you can't do that"
I beat the whole game on an internet blackout and the feminism shyt didn't even cross my mind until I went online afterwards to see how upset people were. (which surprised me but I guess it shouldn't have)
Nah she should've killed that bytch, Joel saved her life and paid for it Abby should've realized that when Joel gave her a second chance,
But that's just bad writing cause what are the chances Joel just conveniently shows up and saves her and just pals around with her with absolutely no suspicions about who she is, they just looked for an excuse to be deep and once ND staff started getting restless cause they were getting abused they just quickly jumbled some shyt together and called it a day. In hindsight the scope of this game is much smaller than the last one
Both games are full of coincidental run ins between characters. It's still a video game. Should Joel have interrogated her as they ran from infected? Maybe he shouldn't have gone in their hideout sure. Keep in mind they are running a compound and patrolling it's outskirts, finding stragglers and adding to the community as they find them. It's not like it's just shoot every human outside Jackson on site.
They also didn't have much time for that, ran from infected, went to the hideout to get to safety, and after being there 30 seconds she shoots Joel. He shouldn't have gone in there but it's not like he had the same time and perspective you and me have as observers to make that decision. It was all in a flash.
But if them 'being in the same spot by chance' is bad writing than that's happened a dozen times across both games already.
Also they didn't truly run into each other by chance. Abby was literally tracking their horse tracks to the location specifically to locate them, it's not absurd they'd be near eachother.
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A Pound & A Prayer
Speaking as someone that never played TLOU1, I watched a playthrough out of curiosity because of how angry people got after the leaks. The story is really contrived. Joel dying didn’t have emotional impact on me but the writing leading up to his death was so cheesy to me...I saw it coming as soon as he rescued Abby. In fact, a lot of the writing is pretty flat because a lot of things just happen without any real build up or payoff.
The plot just felt really forced. It wasn’t anything deep, it was just a standard revenge plot that had to retcon the antagonist into the story because they wanted to ty and be clever to highlight that everything has consequences.
They didn’t even really have much for Abby after killing Joel and her playthrough just seems pretty pointless. Copping out at the end to highlight some cycle of violence moral would have made sense if Ellie wasn’t killing everyone with impunity. By this game’s own standards, she’s gonna get bodied by the sibling of one of the NPCs that she killed
From watching it, I’d say this game is a 6/10 at best. The gameplay is pretty standard for ND games (looked just like Uncharted to me) but the story was just flat.
The plot just felt really forced. It wasn’t anything deep, it was just a standard revenge plot that had to retcon the antagonist into the story because they wanted to ty and be clever to highlight that everything has consequences.
They didn’t even really have much for Abby after killing Joel and her playthrough just seems pretty pointless. Copping out at the end to highlight some cycle of violence moral would have made sense if Ellie wasn’t killing everyone with impunity. By this game’s own standards, she’s gonna get bodied by the sibling of one of the NPCs that she killed
From watching it, I’d say this game is a 6/10 at best. The gameplay is pretty standard for ND games (looked just like Uncharted to me) but the story was just flat.
You watched a 25 hour game out of curiosity?Speaking as someone that never played TLOU1, I watched a playthrough out of curiosity because of how angry people got after the leaks. The story is really contrived. Joel dying didn’t have emotional impact on me but the writing leading up to his death was so cheesy to me...I saw it coming as soon as he rescued Abby. In fact, a lot of the writing is pretty flat because a lot of things just happen without any real build up or payoff.
The plot just felt really forced. It wasn’t anything deep, it was just a standard revenge plot that had to retcon the antagonist into the story because they wanted to ty and be clever to highlight that everything has consequences.
They didn’t even really have much for Abby after killing Joel and her playthrough just seems pretty pointless. Copping out at the end to highlight some cycle of violence moral would have made sense if Ellie wasn’t killing everyone with impunity. By this game’s own standards, she’s gonna get bodied by the sibling of one of the NPCs that she killed
From watching it, I’d say this game is a 6/10 at best. The gameplay is pretty standard for ND games (looked just like Uncharted to me) but the story was just flat.
Seems like a lot of people criticizing the plot know what happens but didn't actually experience the 25 hours that flesh it all out.
It's easy to look at some key bullet points and rip them apart without all the contextual stuff in between.
I'm not saying the game doesn't have anything worth being critical over.
It drags, pacing is off, too many flashbacks, Joel's death wasn't built up enough, gameplay as you said is fairly standard, however it is better than the original still. Bigger areas, more varied enemies, more weapons and utilities, new infected etc.
But the VAST majority of criticisms I've read online are from people that didn't even play the game. Which is weird to me. Oddly the people that didn't actually play it are some of the most fervent and upset too which is also weird to me.
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A Pound & A Prayer
Yeah, I watched it all over the last few days. My brother and a couple of my boys are huge TLOU fans and were complaining after reading the leaks so I wanted to see what they were so mad about. I personally have no issue with Joel’s death but it should have been written better and Abby being brolic in a dystopian society where food is scarce was funny to me but the story could have been much better.
The flashback missions with Joel and Ellie should have been at the front of the game so you get a better understanding of how the dynamics of their relationship changed over the years. That way, when you move to present day and Joel gets killed, it doesn’t feel like it’s just been done for shock value. Also, given they had to retcon Abby into the game, I think they could have done more to explore her history because unless you already read the leaks, you didn’t know her motivation for killing Joel at the point it happens. I feel like these minor changes would have made the story flow a lot better.
Also, playing through as Abby and interacting with characters you know Ellie has already killed is pointless to me. I feel like if you’re going to have multiple characters, have it jump between them like in Detroit: Becoming Human or Heavy Rain so the story remains linear.
we just gonna have to agree to disagree
I’m just still completely puzzled how many of y’all seem to not want to acknowledge the simple fact that Abby’s father was in the process of taking the life of a 14-year-old girl on the potential of a cure which has failed several times prior
In the most funny thing about me continuously defending this action was I was never a fan of Ellie in the first place I thought she was really annoying a sort of a brat and I’m not fond of young girls using profanity so I really didn’t like her anyway
again, will just have to agree to disagree
Neil Druckmann once again bit Red Dead
I mean, shyt was so blatant ... TLOU starts off with snow and horses, I’m like goddamn 
it just shows you how poorly written this game is
isn’t the year like 2037 ... yet you got these clowns using horses to get around
it makes no fukking sense.... that’s why I give a lot of credit to the game Days Gone because in a post apocalypse world the best way to get around would be building motorcycles/ dirt bikes and the way that game let the player upgrade your bikes as you played : was really cleverly done
ND is kinda overrated - IMO
The Fukin Prophecy
RIP Champ
I disagree on re-playablitly...
The gameplay, graphics, and world building is all on point but this is a linear story driven game with multiple flashbacks you cannot skip...For someone who hated Abby, the story and felt unrewarded by its ending, where does the desire to replay this game come from? trophy hunting?
The situation with Abby is very similar to MGS2 with Raiden minus the political pandering...Did a second playthrough with Raiden help MGS2? I have never replayed that game past the tanker...Most people hated the play as Raiden swerve, nobody asked for a final fantasy white boy to replace Snake...The character bombed with the majority of the fanbase and Kojima had to kill him off and turn him into a cyborg ninja to redeem him in MGS4...MGS2 didn't bomb though, most people still liked the game despite Raiden and the convoluted story...Imagine though if Raiden chopped off Snakes head after the tanker level...The outrage would of been through the roof, much worse than this Abby/Joel shyt...
Its a big deal and huge gamble to decide to kill off a franchise character to pass the torch to a new character...The fact the new character only came into existence to appease a twitter internet mob, most of whom didn't even play the first game, severely hurts your chances of success...
When I first switched to Abby I was aggravated, but by the end I thought it was interesting. Your criticisms are fair though. Also Joel's death would hit you harder if you played TLOU 1. I find it surprising how many fans read leaks.
Me and my friend are big TLOU fans and heard there were leaks and avoided them like the plague. But there seems to be a whole sect of TLOU fans that have been mad since the leaks (cause gay people (they thought abby was trans) and joel dying) just waiting the game to drop so they could be mad about it again. I just think the whole thing is overblown and an otherwise far above average game is getting a little unfairly panned by people imo.
Much of the crusade is being lead by people that didn't even play it (it had 6k negative reviews only hours after release and like 20k by now) That means 5,000 people that did not play the game through were so upset by reading leaks and probably because of the cottage Youtube industry built on 'fighting SJW's in media' whining and crying about it that they review bombed the game 3 hours after release. I'm going to be honest, the whole let's fight the 'sjw' agenda in media guys that do a little fit every time a girls on a cover or a minority gets a lead who was white in a book or something, have become worse than the SJWs themselves. To them EVERYTHING is an attack on masculinity, or being white, or trying to make them accept gays it's just getting ridiculous.
also, I think retcon is a bit strong, I know technically it's right. But to me it's when they change a big story detail (so and so died in 1 but he's alive in 2 kind've shyt) Or so and so was a guy in 1 or is a girl in 2. Or this event here in 1 but they say it happened here now in 2.
All they did was give a backstory to the doctor. The doctor in the original had a generic face model and no name, so they gave him a name and a real face model. That's a little different than retconning a key detail in the universe or changing the story to me. Obviously the doctor was a real person in the first game. They just decided to explain who he was in the second. The fact they didn't have the premonition to do it as they made the first game is of little consequence to me. If they patched the face model and put Jerry under the doctor in the first that would fix it? I could care less about that. If this is a retcon it's super minor.
It's not like we started this game and they said "hey Joel is actually Ellie's real father now" to me that is truly retconning. Not they gave a name and face to a guy from the first game.