The Japanese depiction of the Moors from Portugal

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Japan first contract with Portugal was in 1543 lmao, the Moors took over Spain in 711, think about that cap in time

The last Moorish City was captured by Spain in 1492 and the Spain didn't go to Japan to 1549

These people in those pictures aren't Moors
Lot of race mixing in Iberia (spain&portugal) during the period that North Africans controlled it. Portuguese were the first Euros to get a foothold into the African slave trade.

Men depicted in the Japanese art are probably African sailors/navigators under the banner of the Portugese flag.
 

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Japan first contract with Portugal was in 1543 lmao, the Moors took over Spain in 711, think about that cap in time

The last Moorish City was captured by Spain in 1492 and the Spain didn't go to Japan to 1549

These people in those pictures aren't Moors

white supremacy is a myth, european dominance is a myth, they've only had power for a few hundred years and its already collapsed
Why couldn't they be assimilated Moors? Who are they according to you?
 
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Why couldn't they be assimilated Moors? Who are they according to you?

The Moors were a regime not a race, when the moors were defeated they ceased to be, those are probably just slaves Portugal started the african slave trade and by the time they meet japan it was in full swing, Moors were medieval people they wasn't around those times of the slave trade lmao

it's like showing a picture of some cacs in japan and saying "these are romans depicted in japanense art"
 

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The Moors were a regime not a race, when the moors were defeated they ceased to be, those are probably just slaves Portugal started the african slave trade and by the time they meet japan it was in full swing, Moors were medieval people they wasn't around those times of the slave trade lmao

it's like showing a picture of some cacs in japan and saying "these are romans depicted in japanense art"
Moors are absolutely not a race, but they were not solely a regime neither. It was a people constituted of black berbers and other Arabs of Middle-Eastern origin. It is definitely an ethnic marker. Consequently, a Moor doesn't cease to be one because he was defeated.

There are still Moors to this day in several countries of West Africa who descend directly from the Moors that were in Spain back in the day.

And even if we were to go by your definition of Moor, reducing the term to its institutional umbrella, that wouldn't explain to me why you think the people depicted are traded African slaves and not descendants of the Moorish Empire.

The Moors didn't vanish after being defeated, they were converted to Christianism by decree of the Catholic Kings and continued to live in Spain. They only started to get evicted at the beginning of the XVIIth century, and that's after those paintings were made.

All in all, we know that they were still hundreds of thousands of Moors in Spain during all the XVIth century. That's why I find it odd that you consider unlikely that these were Moors, but very probable that these were traded West African slaves.
 
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Where does it says those are moors? Any source?
 

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There was a time where if you had moors legislating for you and running your shyt and keeping peace you were seen as not to be fukked with because you were with the shyts
 

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I'll never figure out the fascination of the Moors when one could argue they sold out the people majority of yall descend from lol.

There is a direct correlation from the fall of Moorish Empires and the advancement of Europeans navigating the new world and moving throughout West Africa via historic trade routes.
 

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Japanese in Portugal :mindblown:

Say what?!?!

I thought was an isolationist ass country for the longest time. Americans had to "open" up diplomacy.

Japanese isolationism didnt really take effect until the early to mid 17th century. Even then they still did lots of trading with the chinese, Koreans, and Dutch.
 
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