The irony of all this is that Triple Haitch is actually a B+ player

[R=G]

When you factor in drawing power/mainstream appeal & popularity/wrestling ability. This is the definitive list:
A+
Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, The Rock
(honorary A+ inductee: Brock Lesnar... cause who's gonna tell him he's not, bytch nikka?)

A
Ric Flair, The Undertaker, Bruno Sammartino, Andre The Giant

A-
John Cena, Goldberg, Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior, King Kurtis Angle, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart

B+
Sting, Triple H, Edge, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Ricky Steamboat




Oh you didn't know? Yo ass better call somebody

That's the point of the whole storyline..Meltzer called him a B+ player in 2000 and 2002 and his little Conneticut feelings was hurt that he brought it back to try to bury cats in 2013-2014. Cripple H is nothing if not predictable and boring.

LOL@putting Macho Man under Flair and Undertaker...hahaha

Most of those guys in the A- department are non draws and have NEVER did anything close to what Sting did at Starrcade 97. Not even in their best dreams.

 

[R=G]

Drawing power. He made the difference for WCW to finally beat Vince

Nowhere near. Goldberg got beasted on by Austin and his run in 1998. He drew big gates, merchandise, and kept PPVs up but it ends there. He should be right next to Rock/Austin/Hogan but he fell off WAY too much by 1999.

It was Sting vs the NwO that kicked Austin/Bret/Taker/Michaels/Sid/DX asses for two straight years.

 

[Kidd Dibiase]

@ the idea that HHH only has ONE classic match

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

That's the point of the whole storyline..Meltzer called him a B+ player in 2000 and 2002 and his little Conneticut feelings was hurt that he brought it back to try to bury cats in 2013-2014. Cripple H is nothing if not predictable and boring.

LOL@putting Macho Man under Flair and Undertaker...hahaha

Most of those guys in the A- department are non draws and have NEVER did anything close to what Sting did at Starrcade 97. Not even in their best dreams.

You're right about the Stinger. I was going back and forth on him. I'm moving him to A-

 

[The Electric Lady]

When you factor in drawing power/mainstream appeal & popularity/wrestling ability. This is the definitive list:
A+
Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, The Rock
(honorary A+ inductee: Brock Lesnar... cause who's gonna tell him he's not, bytch nikka?)

A
Ric Flair, The Undertaker, Bruno Sammartino, Andre The Giant

A-
John Cena, Goldberg, Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior, King Kurtis Angle, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Sting

B+
Triple H, Edge, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Ricky Steamboat




Oh you didn't know? Yo ass better call somebody

Pretty hard to take you seriously when you call Piper B+, Goldberg and John Cena, Shawn Michaels, and Bret Hart A-.

 

[R=G]

nikkas talking about Wrestlemania events. Triple Haitch is directly involved in two of the worst Wrestlemania main events in history. He's never been the main draw of any Wrestlemania event.

B+

Cripple H has never been the main draw of anything. His biggest moment was his return in NY in 2002 and the next Smackdown(any of you Network nyggas can check since you like to duck and hide when it's fact time), got beautiful WHAT chants during that promo. His face heat already was dying down by Royal Rumble..crowd was more into Stone Cold and Rock during the show. And he was completely an afterthought by the time it was the NwO vs Rock/Austin after No Way Out 2002 aftermath.

That's it. He has no other big moments in his career.

1997, he was a bytch for Shawn Micahels.
1998, he was the Rock's ho for his IC reign and for his WWF title reign. Had him losing I Quit matches and getting murdered on the mic like he didn't mean jack shyt.
1999, he was nothing until after WM 15 and got pushed to non reactions for months. He would rely on his promos revolving around Rock and Austin to get any type of reaction post Summerslam. lol. Was getting jobbed to Vince and Big Show
2000, had a 3 month title reign where Foley put him over but Vince helped him at Mania which made it about Rock vs Vince and the family. Rock and Austin took the shine off of his whole heel run by Backlash 2000...he was forced into the midcard post King of the Ring and was feuding with Benoit/Jericho/Angle. They tried to push the 3 way deal with him and Angle at Summerslam..crowd no sold it and only chanted for the Rock while being quiet for those two. ETHER 2000. Austin punked him for the rest of the year after the reveal.
2001, Austin did a cartoon job at NWO 2001 and he faced Taker..built up to lose again
2002, overshadowed by Rock, Austin, Austin's departure, Hogan, Lesnar's rise
2003, had a horrible run and held down Booker T, RVD, Kane, etc
2004, put over a guy they don't acknowledge ever existed..was feuding with Eugene by Summerslam
2005, was pushed to the back for Cena and Batista...
2006, did a DX reunion tour that was hated and spat on by Survivor Series 06 as Philly chanted for CM Punk instead..was jealous Hogan outpopped him at Summerslam.
2007, he was MIA most of the year and buried Booker again
2008, had a horrible title reign that did no ratings and nobody wanted to see. Got shipped off to Smackdown because Cena wasn't going anywhere
2009, got PLEASE RETIRE chants and Goodbye chants after his title loss to Blandy at Backlash 09..lol
2010, faced Sheamus at Mania 26. Nuff said
2011-12, faced Taker is some forced rematches that was underneath the Rock/Cena hype..lost to Lesnar at Summerslam to YOU tapped out chants and X-Pac boos
2013, faced Lesnar and got no reaction whatsoever at Mania 29.

He's the DEFINITION of a B player...B+ is being kind.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Nowhere near. Goldberg got beasted on by Austin and his run in 1998. He drew big gates, merchandise, and kept PPVs up but it ends there. He should be right next to Rock/Austin/Hogan but he fell off WAY too much by 1999.

It was Sting vs the NwO that kicked Austin/Bret/Taker/Michaels/Sid/DX asses for two straight years.

But yet ironically enough - WCW didnt win in the ratings until Goldberg won the title

Goldbergs 98 run is legendary in terms of box office results. The fact that his DVD release was the second highest selling WWE DVD last year should tell you all you need to know about Gawdberg's legacy.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Pretty hard to take you seriously when you call Piper B+, Goldberg and John Cena, Shawn Michaels, and Bret Hart A-.

And which one of those is wrong, friend? Should Piper be higher?

 

[R=G]

But yet ironically enough - WCW didnt win in the ratings until Goldberg won the title

Goldbergs 98 run is legendary in terms of box office results. The fact that his DVD release was the second highest selling WWE DVD last year should tell you all you need to know about Gawdberg's legacy.

WCW was winning in the ratings LONG before Goldberg blew up. lol. I don't care what he's drawing today out of curiosity but when it was go time, fans chose Austin over him and by 1999 when Rock became a force post Backlash 99, it was a wrap for WCW and ECW both.

 

[mrken12]

Didn't the whole B+ player line come from a Meltzer article from the 90s about Triple H?

He still hasn't gotten over that?

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

WCW was winning in the ratings LONG before Goldberg blew up. lol. I don't care what he's drawing today out of curiosity but when it was go time, fans chose Austin over him and by 1999 when Rock became a force post Backlash 99, it was a wrap for WCW and ECW both.

Goldberg's title win was the first time Nitro had won the ratings once the Attitude era started and WWE took over the ratings. In 98 Goldberg single handedly kept WCW afloat and was the biggest star in the world along with Austin.

Horrible booking fukked Goldberg and WCW. Same thing that happened to Sting throughout his career - but you defend him and not Goldberg?

 

[R=G]

Nah...WCW was kicking the WWF's ass for 2 years until Austin stunned McMahon a few weeks after he won the WWF title post WM 14.

 

[R=G]

From June 1996-April 13th, 1998...WCW kicked Monday Night Raw's ass WHOLESALE. No room for error

1996
Week Raw Nitro
Jan 1 2.6 2.5
Jan 8 3.0 2.8
Jan 15 2.4 3.5
Jan 22 2.9 2.7
Jan 29 2.4 2.8
Feb 5 2.7 2.9
Feb 12 – 3.7
Feb 19 3.1 3.7
Feb 26 3.1 3.2
Mar 4 3.6 –
Mar 11 2.9 3.2
Mar 18 2.9 3.6
Mar 25 2.8 3.1
Apr 1 2.9 2.8
Apr 8 4.7 –
Apr 15 3.1 2.8
Apr 22 3.3 2.7
Apr 29 3.9 2.1
May 6 4.1 1.9
May 13 3.5 2.3
May 20 3.1 2.3
May 27 3.3 2.8
Jun 3 2.3 3.0
Jun 10 2.7 2.6
Jun 17 2.3 3.4
Jun 24 2.7 3.2
Jul 1 2.6 3.3
Jul 8 2.5 3.5
Jul 15 2.6 3.5
Jul 22 2.2 2.6
Jul 29 2.1 3.0
Aug 5 2.8 3.0
Aug 12 2.0 3.3
Aug 19 2.9 3.5
Aug 26 – 4.3
Sep 2 – 4.3
Sep 9 2.4 3.7
Sep 16 2.1 3.6
Sep 23 2.0 3.4
Sep 30 2.3 3.3
Oct 7 2.1 3.5
Oct 14 1.8 3.2
Oct 21 2.6 3.2
Oct 28 2.0 3.5
Nov 4 2.3 3.4
Nov 11 2.5 3.5
Nov 18 2.4 3.2
Nov 25 2.1 3.1
Dec 2 2.3 3.4
Dec 9 2.3 3.1
Dec 16 2.3 3.4
Dec 23 1.5 3.2
Dec 30 1.6 3.5

1997
Week Raw Nitro
Jan 6 2.1 3.4
Jan 13 2.3 3.4
Jan 20 2.2 3.7
Jan 27 2.2 3.6
Feb 3 2.6 3.0
Feb 10 2.7 (Thu.) 3.8
Feb 17 2.45 2.9
Feb 24 2.5 3.0
Mar 3 1.9 3.4
Mar 10 2.3 3.5
Mar 17 2.4 3.6
Mar 24 2.5 3.0
Mar 31 2.7 3.4
Apr 7 2.8 3.65
Apr 14 2.2 3.45
Apr 21 2.8 3.3
Apr 28 3.4 2.7
May 5 3.4 2.6
May 12 3.2 2.8
May 19 3.6 3.1
May 26 2.7 3.2
Jun 2 2.5 3.3
Jun 9 2.2 3.4
Jun 16 2.4 3.3
Jun 23 2.4 3.2
Jun 30 2.5 3.3
Jul 7 2.5 3.4
Jul 14 2.6 3.5
Jul 21 4.05 3.75 (Tue.)
Jul 28 2.9 3.4
Aug 4 2.6 4.36
Aug 11 2.9 3.8
Aug 18 3.2 4.0
Aug 25 – 5.0
Sep 1 – 4.7
Sep 8 2.2 4.3
Sep 15 2.55 3.85
Sep 22 2.35 3.6
Sep 29 2.7 4.0
Oct 6 3.05 3.95
Oct 13 2.3 3.8
Oct 20 2.95 4.55
Oct 27 2.3 4.55
Nov 3 2.6 4.0
Nov 10 3.4 4.4
Nov 17 3.15 4.12
Nov 24 3.1 3.88
Dec 1 3.0 3.8
Dec 8 2.7 4.1
Dec 15 2.7 4.1
Dec 22 3.1 3.5
Dec 29 3.6 4.65

1998
Week Raw Nitro
Jan 5 3.35 4.3
Jan 12 3.46 4.5
Jan 19 4.0 4.5
Jan 26 3.48 4.7
Feb 2 3.45 4.9
Feb 9 3.2 4.6
Feb 16 3.0 (Sat.) 5.1
Feb 23 3.2 4.6
Mar 2 3.75 4.8
Mar 9 3.61 4.6
Mar 16 4.4 (Tue.) 5.1
Mar 23 3.6 4.6
Mar 30 3.8 4.2
Apr 6 4.43 4.6
Apr 13 4.63 4.3
Apr 20 4.40 5.1
Apr 27 5.69 1.7 (Mon.)
2.28 (Tue.)
May 4 5.51 3.5
May 11 4.72 4.35
May 18 5.33 2.5
May 25 4.22 4.2
Jun 1 4.35 3.75
Jun 8 4.26 4.1
Jun 15 4.32 4.0
Jun 22 4.27 4.1
Jun 29 5.36 4.1
Jul 6 4.0 4.8
Jul 13 4.65 4.46
Jul 20 4.99 4.4
Jul 27 4.84 4.7
Aug 3 4.85 4.2
Aug 10 4.55 4.65
Aug 17 4.16 4.9
Aug 24 4.68 5.2
Aug 31 2.6 (Sat.) 6.0
Sep 7 2.6 (Sat.) 5.5
Sep 14 3.99 4.5
Sep 21 4.02 3.9
Sep 28 4.6 4.0
Oct 5 4.549 4.546
Oct 12 4.81 4.7
Oct 19 5.01 4.4
Oct 26 4.48 5.1
Nov 2 4.81 4.1
Nov 9 5.03 4.1
Nov 16 5.5 4.3
Nov 23 4.86 4.5
Nov 30 5.00 4.2
Dec 7 5.14 4.2
Dec 14 5.16 4.2
Dec 21 4.71 3.7
Dec 28 4.87 4.6

 

[TRIPLE M]

When you factor in drawing power/mainstream appeal & popularity/wrestling ability. This is the definitive list:


B+
Triple H, Edge, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Ricky Steamboat




Oh you didn't know? Yo ass better call somebody

Piper is an A player breh
he had WWF on lock 85-86 with his villainous ways breh

 

[The Electric Lady]

And which one of those is wrong, friend? Should Piper be higher?

Piper is an A. He completely flipped the script on what a heel should be like and shyts on every modern heel on today's roster aside from Ambrose in terms of in-ring tenacity, promo skills and selling 'the fight', mannerisms. I don't think Wrestlemania would have been as big a hit if not for Piper selling the event like a pro. Hulk needed a worthy adversary and that person was Piper. Also, Piper "boxed" the most popular tv figure in the world in Wrestlemania II. Putting that as a B+ is...erroneous.

Triple H became the ring leader of one of the largest factions in wrestling: DX. It was originally Shawn's. But eventually Shawn went heel and joined the corporation. HHH took it to new heights afterwards and they were drawing in big, big money. HHH should be higher.

Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels should be higher.

John Cena should be higher since he's a draw.

Goldberg should be lower.