The Intellectual Poverty Of The New Socialists

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Thanks for the even-handed response.


I don't call anyone a Russian troll and the only people I call capitalist shill are the capitalist shills (I think I've basically only used it to describe one specific poster here, who is a ridiculous shill).

I literally never do that.
I was speaking generally. I'd @ the posters here who have done this to me but I'm sure they'll be here shortly soon. You don't have to look very hard. The Trump thread is such a leftist safe space they've essentially banned all dissent and pushed it to the "skeptics" thread.

That isn't my experience. And just look at the places where people accuse far-left ideas of being centered around (academia) versus where far-right ideas are centered around (talk radio pundits). If leftists are being converted in college while rightists are being converted by media entertainers, then I don't think your stereotype holds.
Where the ideas are claimed to originate is kind of irrelevant. And the myth of the left's intellectual superiority is its biggest downfall. It's that false sense of superiority that lured it into the biggest political defeat in modern American political history, and that has prevented the left from learning from it. You ask why Trump won, it's because Americans are increasingly stupid and racist. OK then, if that's true what's the left's strategy to stay politically viable? Or is it all pointless? Whole thing makes no sense.
 

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Economic and political changes do not occur peacefully...

Capitalism isn't peaceful and the spread of it wasn't peaceful

Socialism and Communism won't be either and true Leftists understand...and we definitely don't believe in elections...that's just getting concessions...and we definitely don't care about moral superiority

Although Leftists aren't trying to have sweatshops or work people 60 hrs a week and see no reason why millionaires have 6 houses while there are countless homeless people

Lol the people that go around calling people Russian bots and etc are liberals.... who might wanna add tweaks to capitalism...like mandatory paternity leave...

Actual Leftists don't want it to exist at all...

The USA hasn't had a Left since the 30s...talking about communists and socialists

Not Obama loving liberals
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The real intellectual poverty is the equation of negative liberty with freedom. Freedom comes from the ability to be self-actualised, not from the ability to choose between tacky and cheap material goods. Who is self-actualised in the deregulated capitalist system? Only those born to the right set of parents.
 

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Where the ideas are claimed to originate is kind of irrelevant. And the myth of the left's intellectual superiority is its biggest downfall. It's that false sense of superiority that lured it into the biggest political defeat in modern American political history, and that has prevented the left from learning from it.
Do you realize you just shifted the goalposts completely away from the Democratic Socialists being discussed in this thread to talk about the mistakes of Establishment Democrats that are only marginally closer to Democratic Socialist positions than Bill Clinton is to George W. Bush?

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The left WANTED a different candidate to run a completely different race and fought hard for him. "The left" didn't lose the election, the Establishment lost the election by forcing through the most disliked Democratic candidate in electoral polling history and then neglecting rust belt states reeling from economic and demographic shifts that they ain't ever gonna get back.

You seriously just took a 180 away from the discussion topic. :heh:



You ask why Trump won, it's because Americans are increasingly stupid and racist. OK then, if that's true what's the left's strategy to stay politically viable? Or is it all pointless?
Only a minority of White people are "increasingly stupid and racist", which was barely enough to eek out 45% of the vote against a terrible Democratic candidate running a terrible race, and the demographics are only going to get worse for the racists. Why do you think that the Democrats are going to have trouble remaining viable, are we about to see a radical shift in Black people and immigrants over to the right? :rudy:

And what's the left's strategy to remain politically viable? Isn't it running actual lefitst candidates instead of establishment centrists who no one trusts anymore? Isn't that exactly what they've been doing these last two years and where all the energy is? :mindblown:

This was a thread about Democratic Socialist leftists, and you came in and started hating on them by pining on them the exact sins committed by the establishment centrists.
Whole thing makes no sense.
Exactly!
 

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This was a thread about Democratic Socialist leftists, and you came in and started hating on them by pining on them the exact sins committed by the establishment centrists.

I really do hate how people like Obama, Biden and the Clintons are considered Leftists lol

Bernie is even barely a Leftist in any other country but Americans act like he is fukking Lenin
 

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Marx's essay 'Estranged Labour' in Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844 has more intellectual wealth in a single of its footnotes than the entire canon of right-wing pro-capitalist pseudo-philosophy. To say nothing of proper masterpieces like CLR James' The Black Jacobins and Thomas Paine's Rights of Man.
 

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Marx's essay 'Estranged Labour' in Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844 has more intellectual wealth in a single of its footnotes than the entire canon of right-wing pro-capitalist pseudo-philosophy. To say nothing of proper masterpieces like CLR James' The Black Jacobins and Thomas Paine's Rights of Man.
Well said.
 

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You're right, and I was very disappointed when I read that. As long as @DEAD7 has been here, it's amazing he has not learned the blatant fallacies in that presentation of history.

But if we are adding Godwin's Law addendums, how about

- no more calling anyone who doesn't bow at the altar of neo-socialism a Russian troll/capitalist shill/other pejorative?
- no more calling anyone who questions the Democrats' immigration strategy a Nazi?
- hell, no more calling anyone you disagree with a Nazi?

Leftists seem more concerned with convincing themselves of moral superiority over anyone they disagree with than actually presenting sound arguments and solutions, or converting non believers. This is probably a shock to this forum, but nobody wins elections by alienating and insulting everyone who isn't already on board- except by gun point, which many here seem apt to do (ask what mechanism the hardcore socialists propose to get property owners on board with their plans).
maybe if republicans don't want to get called nazis, don't let your republican president openly support neo-nazis and refuse to criticize them...

fukking so stupid, they made their bed, they have to lie in it. don't shake the devils hand and say you're only kidding
 

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Neg neg neg emotional post emotional post. @JahFocus CS called me a "bedbuck clown" in a neg. Yea you guys believe in your views so much you attack anybody who disagrees. Lower Learning is a complete fukking joke.
so it's lower learning because someone who doesn't post here and loves drive by negging, negged you?
 

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Why do people keep posting this shyt?
Guys from the Hoover institute for fukk sake


Old baby boomers who ruined the country and led a Nazi to become elected trying to warn us about the terrible threat of progressive politics as if they’re a threat to democracy meanwhile their conservative cohorts are actively driving America into the ground

“Free education in ways yet to be determined”
No, they’re determined, a$$hole. Stop spending trillions on military, and have the rich actually pay their taxes instead of pushing it all on the lower class.
It's only one person :lolbron:
 

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Damn, I looked him up and he's one of those anti-Black libertarian fools. Here is a small sample of hundreds of essays:

The Shooting of Blacks by Cops and the Rush to Judgement - Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin's killings were proven to be justified, other police killings of young Black men might be justified too so we shouldn't rush to judgement. There is no institutional racism, denouncing racism only makes matters worse, cops rightfully fear Black people because Black people are more likely to be racist, hostile to police, participate in criminal conduct and resist arrest. Police are only responding naturally to the greater risk that Blacks pose. Black Lives Matter is wrong for what they do and deserve part of the blame for Micah Johnson and any other similar killings of cops.

Race Baiting and Ferguson - why the DOJ was wrong to publish a report showing systematic racism against Black people in Ferguson, they don't have any evidence that Ferguson is any worse than any other city so they shouldn't have picked on them, maybe Black people in Ferguson just commit a lot more crime than White people, racist emails sent by police members are isolated incidents and don't prove anything

Black Lives Matter and the Police - why institutional racism against Black people doesn't exist, the only institutional racism is against White people, everything that could be done to ensure the police not be racist has already been taken care of, we don't really know what happens when Black people are killed by police and we shouldn't rush to judgment, it's just too hard to "get the error rate down to zero", Black Lives Matter is way out of line and they need to focus more on people like Micah Johnson and less on the police

Baltimore's Real Police Problem - it's unions, not racism

The Case Against Reparations - why Ta-Nehisi Coates was wrong to focus on race, White people helped end segregation so why should they be blamed for it, and if Coates really wanted to help Black people than he would fight for more charter schools, an end to antidiscrimination laws, and a repeal of the minimum wage.

Forbidden Grounds: The Case Against Employment Discrimination laws - the reason that laws prohibiting employers from discriminating by race should be repealed

Civil Rights Enforcement Gone Haywire - why schools that punish Black children much more than White children aren't necessarily doing anything wrong because disciplining Black children more might be justified, and the Obama administration is wrong to push for any kind of equality there

Segregation in Texas? - why the Fair Housing Act should be limited only to cases where you can prove that racial discrimination was intended, and not just the result

Rand Paul's Wrong Answer - why the Civil Rights Act should be repealed and White business owners should have the right to discriminate against Black people as they want.

The Dream Derailed - just some total bullshyt about Martin Luther King Jr.

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You lost for posting this clown @DEAD7
 
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