Show is trying to paint some of these characters as prodigies with untapped potential and I’m just over here like
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So every big built black woman on TV is automatically a mammy to you?And of course the only black woman in the show is a large mammy.
This is why I rarely watch tv now. It’s becoming beyond predictable.
Word to. That's who they should've been showing nekkid
Whips-n-Chains
Chi
I don't understand the critics. Yes this show is cringey and problematic but so is Euphoria. I would say it was even more problematic because majority of the characters were minors who needed a good ol fashioned ass whooping from their parents.
ThrobbingHood
Breh&Breh Associates™
I don’t want to get off topic but trust me, it’s deeper than that. I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I’m a low budget sociologist.So every big built black woman on TV is automatically a mammy to you?
I remember back in 2011, me and my ex went to watch a movie and we saw the longest line of white women ever. We thought we stumbled across a Taylor Swift concert but they were all there waiting to watch “The Help.”
That told me all I needed to know. White America loves the mammy image. It’s non-threatening and reminds them of the good ol’ days when black women were in a subservient position.
Look at how mad they got over removing the “Aunt Jemima” caricature. Why would they get upset over an offensive black stereotype being removed? The mammy image makes them feel safe. “Look at this non-sexual smiling black woman. Being a good negro and went nurse for little Timmy and Jill with her hair covered up.”
You’re gonna stop buying syrup because you don’t see a mammy smiling back at you? Think about how sick that logic is.
If I’m lying, why is the token black woman usually this archetype in most Hollywood films/series? They only allow biracial/lightksinned black women to be the lead and attractive (Zendaya/Zoe Kravitz/Yara Shahidi).
The Little Mermaid girl is one of the rare exceptions recently but look at the unwarranted hate she has gotten for that film.
Mammys have been the Hollywood representation for black women and effeminate gay black men have been for black men: two “marginalized” groups who are happy to be the token even when they’re being ridiculed (Precious?). Why? Because they’re getting “noticed” and accepted.
It goes much deeper but I don’t want to derail this thread. Just watch any show and their commercials and count how many black women (who aren’t biracial or light skinned) you see. And count how many of them aren’t fat/obese.
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It goes super deepI don’t want to get off topic but trust me, it’s deeper than that. I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I’m a low budget sociologist.
I remember back in 2011, me and my ex went to watch a movie and we saw the longest line of white women ever. We thought we stumbled across a Taylor Swift concert but they were all there waiting to watch “The Help.”
That told me all I needed to know. White America loves the mammy image. It’s non-threatening and reminds them of the good ol’ days when black women were in a subservient position.
Look at how mad they got over removing the “Aunt Jemima” caricature. Why would they get upset over an offensive black stereotype being removed? The mammy image makes them feel safe. “Look at this non-sexual smiling black woman. Being a good negro and went nurse for little Timmy and Jill with her hair covered up.”
You’re gonna stop buying syrup because you don’t see a mammy smiling back at you? Think about how sick that logic is.
If I’m lying, why is the token black woman usually this archetype in most Hollywood films/series? They only allow biracial/lightksinned black women to be the lead and attractive (Zendaya/Zoe Kravitz/Yara Shahidi).
The Little Mermaid girl is one of the rare exceptions recently but look at the unwarranted hate she has gotten for that film.
Mammys have been the Hollywood representation for black women and effeminate gay black men have been for black men: two “marginalized” groups who are happy to be the token even when they’re being ridiculed (Precious?). Why? Because they’re getting “noticed” and accepted.
It goes much deeper but I don’t want to derail this thread. Just watch any show and their commercials and count how many black women (who aren’t biracial or light skinned) you see. And count how many of them aren’t fat/obese.
Let's go there
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
Look at Lizzo. Her biggest fanbase is white women and her music is pretty much white woman workout musicI don’t want to get off topic but trust me, it’s deeper than that. I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I’m a low budget sociologist.
I remember back in 2011, me and my ex went to watch a movie and we saw the longest line of white women ever. We thought we stumbled across a Taylor Swift concert but they were all there waiting to watch “The Help.”
That told me all I needed to know. White America loves the mammy image. It’s non-threatening and reminds them of the good ol’ days when black women were in a subservient position.
Look at how mad they got over removing the “Aunt Jemima” caricature. Why would they get upset over an offensive black stereotype being removed? The mammy image makes them feel safe. “Look at this non-sexual smiling black woman. Being a good negro and went nurse for little Timmy and Jill with her hair covered up.”
You’re gonna stop buying syrup because you don’t see a mammy smiling back at you? Think about how sick that logic is.
If I’m lying, why is the token black woman usually this archetype in most Hollywood films/series? They only allow biracial/lightksinned black women to be the lead and attractive (Zendaya/Zoe Kravitz/Yara Shahidi).
The Little Mermaid girl is one of the rare exceptions recently but look at the unwarranted hate she has gotten for that film.
Mammys have been the Hollywood representation for black women and effeminate gay black men have been for black men: two “marginalized” groups who are happy to be the token even when they’re being ridiculed (Precious?). Why? Because they’re getting “noticed” and accepted.
It goes much deeper but I don’t want to derail this thread. Just watch any show and their commercials and count how many black women (who aren’t biracial or light skinned) you see. And count how many of them aren’t fat/obese.
ThrobbingHood
Breh&Breh Associates™
Breh, it blows my mind when this gets pointed out and you’re dismissed as a “misogynist”. On God, no black women I know listen to her music like they do Beyonce and Rihanna.
Sadly, fat/obese black women run social media because they definitely ain’t running in real life. They get the puters putin’ with gay black men as their cheerleaders.
They’re the perfect allies because they share the same enemy: straight black men. And the people pulling the strings know how to exploit this.
There's actually a scientific explanation for their gravitation towards the mammy archetypeBreh, it blows my mind when this gets pointed out and you’re dismissed as a “misogynist”. On God, no black women I know listen to her music like they do Beyonce and Rihanna.
Sadly, fat/obese black women run social media because they definitely ain’t running in real life. They get the puters putin’ with gay black men as their cheerleaders.
They’re the perfect allies because they share the same enemy: straight black men. And the people pulling the strings know how to exploit this.
Them crackas come from the cold, scarce environments and big black women subconsciously register to them as a source of warmth, food and wealth. And more melanin means more heat retention, so that's why they would gravitate towards a black woman vs. their own white momma.
There is truth to that "The Help" dynamic, for sure. Green Book. The criticism for some of those on a deeper level, is that they are pretty much white redemption stories, on some level. It's much more complicated than that, but they often revolve around a white savior figure. Basically saying see white people even in the slave times were ok.
it's very American, I'm ok, you're ok, lets just move on from slavery.
it's very American, I'm ok, you're ok, lets just move on from slavery.
Whips-n-Chains
Chi
Euphoria is better, and started out better from the rip. It started the audience out in a fast paced setting that immediately drew everyone in... Idol took until episode 3 to actually have some compelling scenes. Euphoria has nudity, but it never felt super forced, whereas in the idol it seems like they ran out of ideas for scenes so they'd have some unnecessary and overly graphic sex scene to fill the gaps. To me, Euphoria was edgy with storylines that contained nudity and sex scenes included, the Idol is faux-edgy because of the forced sex scenes.
You can see where this was a mess, from a production standpoint, multiple rewrites, bringing in new directors, new showrunners, changing themes and casting, the writing is messy and plot lines are opened and forgotten,
but also Sam Levinson has long had this criticism, Euphoria was a lot smoother, but has some of the same issues, is this a serious look at teenage issues? Drug use, sex, trans/ID issues, rape? Or is it just exploitive of those things to tell the same old cliche stories about good looking people/teenagers?
is The Idol a serious look at female objectivity, popstar fame, exploitation of women by women in the industry, fame, complicated dynamics of sex/control?
or is it just Weekdn and his friends living out a meta fantasy about what they do every weekend they are in the city?
The Idol takes itself a LOT less seriously than Euphoria does.
but also Sam Levinson has long had this criticism, Euphoria was a lot smoother, but has some of the same issues, is this a serious look at teenage issues? Drug use, sex, trans/ID issues, rape? Or is it just exploitive of those things to tell the same old cliche stories about good looking people/teenagers?
is The Idol a serious look at female objectivity, popstar fame, exploitation of women by women in the industry, fame, complicated dynamics of sex/control?
or is it just Weekdn and his friends living out a meta fantasy about what they do every weekend they are in the city?
The Idol takes itself a LOT less seriously than Euphoria does.
R.E.N. Spells Ren
Veteran
Euphoria got its criticism, but they had some amazing portrayals on addiction and its effect on the addict, their family and friends.
The Idol doesn’t have anything that it has portrayed even close to that level of quality.
Its a little more than that.
The real problem the critics have........is a black man fukking a skinny white bytch silly and manipulating her on the show. Sub-concsously this fukks with white america.